Re: [Vo]:This is a Test

2011-02-10 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 9:24 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Thank you for not adding all the livelong day G I prefer See the little pufferbellies all in a row. Seriously ... Check out ORC http://www.infinityturbine.com/ORC/ORC_Waste_Heat_Turbine.html This looks interesting for

Re: [Vo]:probably, the Rossi demos have a complex control box with thermal controls that lower the electric input power when the reactor gets too hot: Cede: Murray 2011.02.09

2011-02-10 Thread Terry Blanton
So, Rich, Your original post also copies Scott, his daughter and Uncle Hal. Any reason you're not makin' it right with them? T

Re: [Vo]:Levi's interpretation of the two Rossi demos does hold water

2011-02-10 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: My guess is there is a need to maintain a gradient in order to start the reactor and that is the work of the PLCs. BTW, the gradient is pure speculation on my part. I just know that when you exit infinite improbability

Re: [Vo]:Imagine a teakettle

2011-02-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: Jed, it's a container, with all the walls at several hundred degrees C or higher; the bottom's in contact with the burner and is probably at about 1000 C. There is nothing inside the container except gas: Gaseous water. Yet you are claiming the

Re: [Vo]:Levi's interpretation of the two Rossi demos does hold water

2011-02-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, I seem to remember that self - sustain meant working at only 100 W electrical input. Celani said that on Monday. That was his somewhat arbitrary definition of self-sustaining, during his talk. However, Levi et al. mentioned that the machine

Re: [Vo]:Imagine a teakettle

2011-02-10 Thread jwinter
Hi Jed, What you wrote is true when there is liquid water and steam together in a container - the combination cannot be heated to a temperature higher than 100 deg C without raising the pressure. However once all the liquid has turned to gas there is no longer any limit to what temperature

Re: [Vo]:Imagine a teakettle

2011-02-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au wrote: What you wrote is true when there is liquid water and steam together in a container - the combination cannot be heated to a temperature higher than 100 deg C without raising the pressure. However once all the liquid has turned to gas there is no longer any

RE: [Vo]:Cold Fusion What's in a name?

2011-02-10 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Hi Peter At least and eventually the community at Chennai tries to determine what the PROBLEM with field, see please Krivit's blog - and if you will be so kind, my comment to it.  If you would be so kind as to point me to the specific reference. It isn't obvious to me what reference you are

RE: [Vo]:Cold Fusion What's in a name?

2011-02-10 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Peter: ... The essence is that Cold Fusion is unfortunately in a deep, diversified, damned trouble See my original post. I rest my case. ... but perhaps there is a way out. Yes, perhaps there is. The evolution of science is a patient but impartial mistress. Regards, Steven Vincent

[Vo]:Outline for prosaic black-box generation of higher than chemical heat

2011-02-10 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Consider a well-insulated box. It contains a reservoir holding a substance with high specific heat and high melting point. Into the reservoir, and through a tube into the box, may flow water, and steam may escape. Internal controls may regulate flow. Hot air may be used to initially heat the

Re: [Vo]:Outline for prosaic black-box generation of higher than chemical heat

2011-02-10 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Consider a well-insulated box. It contains a reservoir holding a substance with high specific heat and high melting point. Into the reservoir, and through a tube into the box, may flow water, and steam may escape.

Re: [Vo]:Outline for prosaic black-box generation of higher than chemical heat

2011-02-10 Thread Peter Gluck
I am a chemist (chemical engineer, actually) Can you give some practical examples and heat balances for them? Thanks! Peter On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Consider a

Re: [Vo]:Imagine a teakettle

2011-02-10 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 02/10/2011 08:28 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au mailto:jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au wrote: What you wrote is true when there is liquid water and steam together in a container - the combination cannot be heated to a temperature higher than 100 deg C

Re: [Vo]:Imagine a teakettle

2011-02-10 Thread jwinter
On 2/10/2011 9:28 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au mailto:jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au wrote: What you wrote is true when there is liquid water and steam together in a container - the combination cannot be heated to a temperature higher than 100 deg C without raising

RE: [Vo]:The New Thorium Cycle ?

2011-02-10 Thread Harvey Norris
--- On Tue, 2/8/11, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net Subject: RE: [Vo]:The New Thorium Cycle ? To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2011, 9:52 PM Thanks for the information George. As you know, there is little way to avoid further

[Vo]:Higgs Debut

2011-02-10 Thread Terry Blanton
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/09/us-science-cern-idUSTRE7185AQ20110209 (Reuters) - Scientists at the CERN research center seeking answers to key mysteries of the cosmos said on Wednesday they would be moving ahead cautiously this year to avoid any possible breakdown in their giant LHC

Re: [Vo]:Higgs Debut

2011-02-10 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 02/10/2011 11:19 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/09/us-science-cern-idUSTRE7185AQ20110209 (Reuters) - Scientists at the CERN research center seeking answers to key mysteries of the cosmos said on Wednesday they would be moving ahead cautiously this year to

[Vo]:Mia culpa on gas temperatures

2011-02-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Several Distinguished Scientists have informed me that I am wrong, and that gas will not expand indefinitely, but that it will rise in temperature even when it is unconfined. There is a limit to how much it can expand. Compression heats it and decompression cools it, but only up to a limit. You

Re: [Vo]:Higgs Debut

2011-02-10 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: Oh?  Will that be the year the Tibetan monks finally inscribe name number 9,000,000,000 in the book? I thought they had a computer working on that. :-) T . . . overhead, without any fuss, the stars were going out.

[Vo]:Here Comes Skynet

2011-02-10 Thread Terry Blanton
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12400647 Robots to get their own internet By Mark Ward Technology correspondent, BBC News European scientists have embarked on a project to let robots share and store what they discover about the world. Called RoboEarth it will be a place that robots can

[Vo]:Krivit praises Miles while dismissing his results

2011-02-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
This is exceptionally weird, even for Steve Krivit: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/02/07/missing-cold-fusion-from-new-energy-times/ I posted a note here mentioning that the best evidence for helium is the work of Melvin Miles. Krivit said that New Energy Times has found Melvin Miles’

Re: [Vo]:Here Comes Skynet

2011-02-10 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Terry sez: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12400647 Robots to get their own internet By Mark Ward Technology correspondent, BBC News European scientists have embarked on a project to let robots share and store what they discover about the world. Called RoboEarth it will be a place

Re: [Vo]:Outline for prosaic black-box generation of higher than chemical heat

2011-02-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Consider a well-insulated box. It contains a reservoir holding a substance with high specific heat and high melting point. Into the reservoir, and through a tube into the box, may flow water, and steam may escape. Internal controls may regulate

RE: [Vo]:Krivit praises Miles while dismissing his results

2011-02-10 Thread Jones Beene
Jed, You are overlooking helium as being supplied by alpha emission from Pd, instead of from fusion. This has been the WL stance - yes, there is helium but it comes from alpha emission following a beta decay of other weak force interaction. That was my reason for re-presenting the

[Vo]:Levi's interpretation still full of holes

2011-02-10 Thread Joshua Cude
Rich Murray wrote: probably, the Rossi demos have a complex control box with thermal controls that lower the electric input heater power when the reactor gets too hot You concede to easily. I don't believe there is any feedback in that system because the wires are all heavy power cables,

Re: [Vo]:Here Comes Skynet

2011-02-10 Thread Harry Veeder
Or beware of VIKI from I ROBOT. harry - Original Message From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, February 10, 2011 12:09:38 PM Subject: [Vo]:Here Comes Skynet http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12400647 Robots to get their own internet By

Re: [Vo]:Krivit praises Miles while dismissing his results

2011-02-10 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Jones ... This field cannot be simplified into an either/or situation. Ockham has no place in this field – LENR it is inherently complex. Krivit and his sponsors are half-right (but half-wrong), as is anyone who says that LENR is pure fusion and nothing else. There are clearly

Re: [Vo]:Krivit praises Miles while dismissing his results

2011-02-10 Thread Harry Veeder
The theory is the helium is the end of a sequence of fissions initiated by palladium nuclei absorbing neutrons. harry From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, February 10, 2011 12:15:12 PM Subject: [Vo]:Krivit praises Miles while dismissing his results This

Re: [Vo]:Levi's interpretation still full of holes

2011-02-10 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Joshua, a) Have you calculated HOW wet must be the steam in order to invalidate the experiment i.e. to make it underunity beyond any doubt? b) Let's take the good part of it, as engineers how has to be built such a generator for VERY WET steam? It can have some uses e.g in the textile

[Vo]:self-sustaining Rossi device?

2011-02-10 Thread Joshua Cude
Jed Rothwell wrote: Celani said that on Monday. That was his somewhat arbitrary definition of self-sustaining, during his talk. However, Levi et al. mentioned that the machine self-sustained completely, with no power, for about 15 minutes. No power and no way to turn it off. They exhausted the

Re: [Vo]:Levi's interpretation still full of holes

2011-02-10 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 02/10/2011 02:23 PM, Peter Gluck wrote: Dear Joshua, a) Have you calculated HOW wet must be the steam in order to invalidate the experiment i.e. to make it underunity beyond any doubt? b) Let's take the good part of it, as engineers how has to be built such a generator for VERY WET

Re: [Vo]:Levi's interpretation still full of holes

2011-02-10 Thread Joshua Cude
a) It would appear that if the water is just boiling (the expelled fluid is 1% steam), it is already slightly over unity, assuming we can trust the flow rates, and I have some doubts. But slightly over unity would not be difficult to achieve chemically, especially with a 14 kg bottle of hydrogen

Re: [Vo]:Levi's interpretation still full of holes

2011-02-10 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: Addressing just point (3), please leave out the term dare here.  There's no need to escalate this to the realm of an ad hominem. Peter is Romanian and I am sure he does not intend the term to be ad hominem. Idioms can

Re: [Vo]:Levi's interpretation still full of holes

2011-02-10 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Good point... On 02/10/2011 03:05 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: Addressing just point (3), please leave out the term dare here. There's no need to escalate this to the realm of an ad hominem. Peter is Romanian

Re: [Vo]:Levi's interpretation of the two Rossi demos does hold water

2011-02-10 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 10 Feb 2011 07:59:12 -0500: Hi, [snip] My impression is that it was somewhat out of control. I would not want to try to scale a machine that does that to 1 MW in the near future. [snip] That's the way all fission reactors operate. Borderline nuclear

Re: [Vo]:Levi's interpretation still full of holes

2011-02-10 Thread Peter Gluck
I intended to tell that I think he was convinced that the steam was dry. I have met Focardi several times and he seems a very nice gentleman. His association with Rossi is a very complicated problem (I tell this as a friend of Piantelli, Focardi has worked many years with him.) As regarding

Re: [Vo]:Outline for prosaic black-box generation of higher than chemical heat

2011-02-10 Thread mixent
In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Thu, 10 Feb 2011 08:59:24 -0500: Hi, [snip] Consider a well-insulated box. It contains a reservoir holding a substance with high specific heat and high melting point. Into the reservoir, and through a tube into the box, may flow water, and steam may

[Vo]:Dr. Mills will present “Thermally Reversible Hydrino Catalyst Systems as a New Power Source”

2011-02-10 Thread Harry Veeder
http://www.blacklightpower.com/new.shtml Dr. Mills will present “Thermally Reversible Hydrino Catalyst Systems as a New Power Source” at the Fuel Cell and Hydrogen Energy Conference on February 14, 2011, at 4:10 PM at the Gaylord National Hotel Conference Center, 201 Waterfront Street,

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Dr. Mills will present “Thermally Reversible Hydrino Catalyst Systems as a New Power Source”

2011-02-10 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.blacklightpower.com/new.shtml Dr. Mills will present “Thermally Reversible Hydrino Catalyst Systems as a New Power Source” at the Fuel Cell and Hydrogen Energy Conference on February 14, 2011, at 4:10 PM at the

[Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Dr. Mills will present Thermally Reversible Hydrino Catalyst Systems as a New Power Source

2011-02-10 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Has Andrea Rossi become Randell Mills' Steve Jones? Not sure that is the best analogy, or maybe it is right-on ... but looking at pages 37-41 look are so close to the way that one can imagine the Rossi reactor to work (if he had had the funds to

[Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Dr. Mills will present “Thermally Reversible Hydrino Catalyst Systems as a New Power Source”

2011-02-10 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Harry: http://www.blacklightpower.com/new.shtml Dr. Mills will present Thermally Reversible Hydrino Catalyst Systems as a New Power Source at the Fuel Cell and Hydrogen Energy Conference on February 14, 2011, at 4:10 PM at the Gaylord National Hotel Conference Center, 201 Waterfront

Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Dr. Mills will present Thermally Reversible Hydrino Catalyst Systems as a New Power Source

2011-02-10 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: ... which is where I think you are going with it, even if it is a slight reversal of roles. Not a LawOrder fan but Belzer does put me in the mind of Mills. Ya gotta think that Randell has had a baloney sandwich despite

Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Dr. Mills will present Thermally Reversible Hydrino Catalyst Systems as a New Power Source

2011-02-10 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: And WTF is going on in Iceland? Personally, I'm being audited by the IRS. If I can only put them off for about 20 months, my worries will probably be over. I'm sure it will get worse. T

[Vo]:Fwd: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Dr. Mills will present “Thermally Reversible Hydrino Catalyst Systems as a New Power Source”

2011-02-10 Thread Terry Blanton
Still got that reply to thing, SVJ? T -- Forwarded message -- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Dr. Mills will present “Thermally Reversible Hydrino Catalyst Systems as a New Power Source” To: s...@orionworks.com

Re: [Vo]:Krivit praises Miles while dismissing his results

2011-02-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote: The theory is the helium is the end of a sequence of fissions initiated by palladium nuclei absorbing neutrons. Ah. I see. And I gather it involves lithium as well. Does it consume deuterium and produce helium at the same rate as DD fusion would? I guess

Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Dr. Mills will present Thermally Reversible Hydrino Catalyst Systems as a New Power Source

2011-02-10 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting times.. Pyramids and Big Ben are off my Bucket List. T

Re: [Vo]:Outline for prosaic black-box generation of higher than chemical heat

2011-02-10 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:34 PM 2/10/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: It would be a little tricky to have something like this produce the output performance of the Rossi device. You would have to have a secret remote control that vectors most of the cooling water around the heat source at first, and then gradually

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Dr. Mills will present “Thermally Reversible Hydrino Catalyst Systems as a New Power Source”

2011-02-10 Thread Rich Murray
Look at www.wikipedia.com for Blacklight Power and then the talk page -- the only favorable information in two decades is invariably is put out by BP itself... Rich Murray

Re: [Vo]:Higgs Debut

2011-02-10 Thread Rich Murray
You laugh, but advanced awareness explorers report that all universes already always all ways remain nonexistent... within single entire creative fractal hyperinfinity... The place on which I stand is hole ground. The birds in the air have their nests in the trees, The foxes on the earth rest

Re: [Vo]:Mia culpa on gas temperatures

2011-02-10 Thread Rich Murray
Given enough energy fast enough, any gas becomes a black hole, and then all science reaches the Duh zone... single source of all that appears objective of all that feels subjective within awareness already remains beyond our time and space beyond the Duh zone... single entire creative fractal