Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 3:31 AM, Teslaalset wrote: Rossi points out that the 'old' conditions in the agreement are still met > (implemented with hotcat methods) and that IH therefore should fulfil the > agreed payment. For IH this hotcat knowledge transfer is not

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

Reading the license agreement, it looks to me like IH doesn't get the option to bail if they don't agree with the result of the 350 day test. As I read it, it looks like their only say in completing this deal, occurred when they agreed with Rossi who would do the independent evaluation. Once

Re: [Vo]:Industrial Heat Patent?

This is another silly argument used by Rossi to cast himself as the victim. That patent was filed for on 2/20/15. It took IH awhile to a) figure out that the previous results were questionable, and b) attempt to replicate with better methodology. It also took time for the results of other

RE: [Vo]:Industrial Heat Patent?

Vortex is a bleak lesson in internet trolling. The primary tool of internet trolls is simply lying. Anyone who has been following this list will readily see who is lying and thus a troll. One question is whether the obvious lying trolls are on the payroll of some nefarious outfit is of course

RE: [Vo]:Industrial Heat Patent?

Russ George, Jones Beene wrote. "since the evidence does not support that (crimes were committed) yet." But he is the most vociferous one in libeling Rossi and his supporters. Why they can't wait for evidence like the ERV's report and other actual facts suggests some emotional problem or

RE: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

Here’s a new post I have published on the world of cold fusion. If you think there was subterfuge revealed in the story "Who Killed The Electric Car" wait til you read about the wild drama emerging about cold fusion, the real techno-fix for fossil fuels. You'll not read about it in the major

[Vo]:Re: I.H. press release responding to Rossi

It could be that Rossi has received some US Government order associated with the new patents he has been working on or one or more of the patents listed in Exhibit B of the Agreement between IH, Rossi and others, making them secret. That is the reason the complaint was filed in the Federal

RE: [Vo]:Selective memories IH selected and agreed to the team to test the E-Cat

From: Blaze Spinnaker Wow a lot of sound and fury. Let's all wait for the ERV report or court filings from Darden & Co. Blaze, there will not likely be an ERV report, due to the Lawsuit. First, let me say to Walker that there are no selective memories here– only selective extracts of

Re: [Vo]:IH selected Fabio Penon to lead the team they chosed for the test of the E-Cat

Hi all In reply to Jones Beene There is only imagination here. I deal in facts. Fabio Penon was the primary engineer that IH helped select on which to base their Due Diligence for purchase of the E-Cat license and IP access, they were so happy with his work and that of the team they select and

Re: [Vo]:IH selected Fabio Penon to lead the team they chosed for the test of the E-Cat

Hi all In reply to Jones Beene There is only your imagination here. I deal in facts. Fabio Penon was the primary engineer that IH helped select on which to base their Due Diligence for purchase of the E-Cat license and IP access, they were so happy with his work and that of the team they select

RE: [Vo]:Selective memories IH selected and agreed to the team to test the E-Cat

Jones. "In fact, all of the pictures from JM show a pristine box that simply cannot have been an active boiler – it is too clean. Have you ever seen a working boiler?" AA. It looks like you lack good industrial experience if you have never seen a clean boiler. Not to mention the LENR does

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

How a request for proper calibration or a clean fork is transformed into persecution. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdzqTGmEcZE Harry

Re: [Vo]:IH selected Fabio Penon to lead the team they chosed for the test of the E-Cat

Hi all In reply to Jones Beene There is only your imagination here. I deal in facts. Fabio Penon was the primary engineer that IH helped select, on which to base their Due Diligence, for purchase of the E-Cat license and IP access, they were so happy with his work and that of the team they

Re: [Vo]:Industrial Heat Patent?

I agree with Craig. My reading of the the Agreement is the same as his. Therefore, I have guessed at some new unforeseen situation that IH thinks would make the agreement moot, such as a Government Order of secrecy, or one withholding the ability of IH to give IP to the Chinese entities. I

RE: [Vo]:Selective memories IH selected and agreed to the team to test the E-Cat

Jones, Why do you go after Rossi and his supporters with such fanaticism? It looks like you have some psychological problem. Jones wrote. "Why do you punish yourself like this, Adrian? Rossi lied and called Penon a PhD and you and the other sheep then started calling him Dr. Penon ... LOL.

[Vo]:a short pause HERE in the LENR Rossi vs. IH war

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/04/mar-10-2016-very-short-pause-in-rossi.html Web dispute radicalized, a bit of calming down welcome, I hope peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

[Vo]:IH selected Fabio Penon to lead the team they chosed for the test of the E-Cat

Hi all The key fact remains Fabio Penon was the primary engineer that IH helped select and approve for the E-Cat Test. IH felt so secure in the capabilities of the team they selected that agreed with their assessments to the tune of $10 million. Rossi has continued to use the Nuclear Engineer,

RE: [Vo]:IH selected Fabio Penon to lead the team they chosed for the test of the E-Cat

From: Ian Walker > The key fact remains - Fabio Penon was the primary engineer that IH helped > select and approve for the E-Cat Test. IH felt so secure in the capabilities > of the team they selected that agreed with their assessments to the tune of > $10 million. No. That is not a fact.

Re: [Vo]:Selective memories IH selected and agreed to the team to test the E-Cat

>>>First, there isnoproofthatIHagreedtoanyERV… I find this to be an odd thing to believe. The license agreement requires that both Rossi and IH agree to an ERV, and that the ERV will evaluate the device according to criteria which are laid out. If IH never agreed to the ERV, then why wait

RE: [Vo]:Selective memories IH selected and agreed to the team to test the E-Cat

From: Craig Haynie >>>First, there is no proof that IH agreed to any ERV… > I find this to be an odd thing to believe. The license agreement requires that both Rossi and IH agree to an ERV, and that the ERV will evaluate the device according to criteria which are laid out. If IH never agreed

RE: [Vo]:Selective memories IH selected and agreed to the team to test the E-Cat

Why do you punish yourself like this, Adrian? Rossi lied and called Penon a PhD and you and the other sheep then started calling him Dr. Penon ... LOL. He is a glorified mechanic. You seem to be a smart enough individual to make inferences based on other fields than the one you are trained

Re: [Vo]:Selective memories IH selected and agreed to the team to test the E-Cat

> On Apr 10, 2016, at 10:33, Jones Beene wrote: > The drama is intense, and IH may be partly to blame for not being proactice. > Yes, indeed. Some of the characters are larger than life. This turn of events is as interesting as a courtroom drama. I'm still trying to

[Vo]:Selective memories IH selected and agreed to the team to test the E-Cat

Hi all Some people seem to suffer from a selective memory glitch. HIGH TEMPERATURE E-CAT MODULE Test of July 16th, 2012 for E-Cat Certification Was with a three man test team of: :Fabio Penon , M.Eng. (Nuclear Engineer, Product Certification Specialist) E-Cat Electronic Control System Specialist

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

It seems to me that the whole clash between IH and Rossi is not about patents or test results but about progress that Rossi has been making (and probably still is making) which is not clearly included in the agreements. The original agreement was made when Rossi was concentrating on the so-called

Re: [Vo]:Selective memories IH selected and agreed to the team to test the E-Cat

Wow a lot of sound and fury. Let's all wait for the ERV report or court filings from Darden & Co. On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 2:46 AM, Ian Walker wrote: > Hi all > > Some people seem to suffer from a selective memory glitch. > > HIGH TEMPERATURE E-CAT MODULE Test of July 16th,

[Vo]:Industrial Heat Patent?

If Industrial Heat says that the reactor doesn't work, then why did they apply for a patent with Rossi's technology? https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2015127263=1==PCT+Biblio https://www.google.com/patents/WO2015127263A3?cl=en Rossi is now saying that they have

Re: [Vo]:Industrial Heat Patent?

Patents are far more complicated than just work/don't work. Just because some claim in some patent might actually work, doesn't necessarily mean the whole things works. That claim is still useful and IH was paying for the R On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 5:41 AM, Craig Haynie

[Vo]:Fabio Penon

Does anyone have a direct reference for Fabio Penon's qualifications? I see him listed in several European sources as: Dr. Ing. Fabio Penon, Ph.D. in Nuclear Engineering (with 110/110 summa cum laude at the Alma Mater of Bologna-Italy ). Jones Beene has stated he doesn't have a PhD and is

Re: [Vo]:Fabio Penon

If by Professional Engineer, you mean "recognized by a licensing board in the US", I'll accept the notion, while not considering it in any way significant. Using "glorified mechanic" does seem like code for something else, however. It's well known that only the US has professional engineers, and

RE: [Vo]:Fabio Penon

From: Lennart Thornros So, if your credentials are not from the US then you can be called any demeaning name? You can if you use your skills, or lack thereof, to facilitate a scam.

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Wait for another inconclusive report written by a dunce or a paid stooge? Rossi has wasted many man-years of our collective time. I am done waiting. And don't call me a pseudo-skeptic. We all would have been happy with any report where a gas generator ran the E-cat which heated a body of water.

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Jones, both you and Ahern take on the issue with Ecat by accusing Rossi of being a person with lower moral than for example you. That is an judgmental attitude that takes you nowhere and in addition has nothing to do with LENR. I have not any qualifications to judge about ECAT. (BTW English is my

Re: [Vo]:Fabio Penon

I recall hearing that everyone with a master's degree in Italy is called "Doctor," and Wikipedia indicates that this is the case [1]. That implies that Penon need not have a PhD to be called "dottore." That also makes sense of why people call Rossi "Dr. Rossi," although I think the rules of the

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Brad Lowe wrote. "Goat-guy made a great comment on next big future where he makes a very good guess as to how Rossi is faking the results of the tests." Wait and see what the ERV report shows. I doesn't mater what the test it will not be enough to persuade pseudo skeptics. As Rossi said

RE: [Vo]:Industrial Heat Patent?

Published on E-catworld is a copy of a provisional patent (http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/R_123621412_3.pdf) that Rossi says is part of the trouble with IH, the patent was filed by a patent filer, Nifong, located very near IH... This clearly substantiates what Rossi is

Re: [Vo]:Fabio Penon

His curriculum vita: http://www.cobraf.com/forum/immagini/R_123620809_1.pdf His registration with the Italian National Council of Engineers:

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

>>>And if I were 'there', I'd too be calling for different testing. You'd be calling for a lot more than that if you discovered that someone was cheating you! But asking for new testing is not part of the agreement which was signed. There are several reasons why IH would want to default on

RE: [Vo]:Fabio Penon

Sean, He is a professional engineer in Italy by their standards. Until he is licensed in the USA as a professional engineer, he is a “glorified mechanic”. He is no PhD or Doctor in either country. From: Sean True His curriculum vita:

RE: [Vo]:Fabio Penon

Nor is Jones Beene, he has no credentials even proving he passed kindergarten! From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 12:58 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Fabio Penon Sean, He is a professional engineer in Italy by their standards.

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

If I'm not mistaken, GoatGuy was the first to speculate about the transparency of alumina accounting for the apparent excess heat in Lugano. His analysis seems plausible, but would take some thought and analysis to fully evaluate. On Sun, Apr 10, 2016, 2:17 PM Brad Lowe

Re: [Vo]:Fabio Penon

It used to be that you needed just a 4 years degree (that involved a final thesis) called a Laurea to become a dottore in Italy. It is not really the equivalent of Master but something a bit more but not quite a PhD. Eventually a Dottorato di Ricerca was introduced and that is the Italian

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Goat-guy made a great comment on next big future where he makes a very good guess as to how Rossi is faking the results of the tests. http://nextbigfuture.com/2016/04/rossi-1-megawatt-energy-catalyzer-is.html He also states the obvious--why Rossi doesn't heat a pool of water to demonstrate heat

RE: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

-Original Message- From: Brad Lowe Goat-guy made a great comment on next big future where he makes a very good guess as to how Rossi is faking the results of the tests. http://nextbigfuture.com/2016/04/rossi-1-megawatt-energy-catalyzer-is.html He also states the obvious--why Rossi

Re: [Vo]:Industrial Heat Patent?

Justin Robert Nifong has one patent issued as an inventor, for a device for reducing the problem of smelly drains in commercial kitchens: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1=HITOFF=PALL=1=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm=1=G=50=8,409,433.PN.=PN/8,409,433=PN/8,409,433 His Linked

Re: [Vo]:Fabio Penon

So, if your credentials are not from the US then you can be called any demeaning name? Well, maybe I need to talk to people with a wider approach to life. I have met many and employed a few people with very good education and other credentia , which turned out to be without any indication of their

RE: [Vo]:Fabio Penon

From: Russ George Nor is Jones Beene, he has no credentials even proving he passed kindergarten! Hmm… you nailed me, Russ. I flunked kindergarten 101. And let me add, we are so fortunate to be in the presence of a true …err… LENR pioneer? Here are the distinguished credentials

[Vo]:more automation like Jed said was coming

http://www.aol.com/article/2016/04/10/us-military-christens-self-driving-sea-hunter-warship/21340920/

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Rossi uses these Venture Capitalists as a resource to extract R funds that he needs to advance his product development. Rossi will supply the minimum amount of IP to the VC to get the money that he heeds to move forward. Rossi knows how this game is played. Now Rossi has found a new source of

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Rossi forced IH into what they are doing. He can take the negative reaction and doubt that the breakup with IH will produce because he is ready to move on to the next financial step, This all assumes that Rossi has a powerful LENR product to sell. On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 9:47 PM, Jed Rothwell

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Craig Haynie wrote: Rossi also wants his intellectual property back. Last year, IH filed a > patent on Rossi's technology. > I.H. said his device does not work, therefore the intellectual property is worthless. Plus they have not paid him the $89 million. So I.H. no

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

I beg to differ, when it comes to your ability to judge people. Your examples - Donald Trump and you? I do not know Rossi at all. I am sure he threads carefully about publishing material just now. How you know that he will not publish is a mystery to me. I think he will or then he will lose

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Axil Axil wrote: > IH is now being discarded, > If he is discarding I.H. why is he suing them for $89 million? They do not want to pay him. They say the machine does not work, and therefore they will not pay. They are discarding him. He wants them to pay up. What you say

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Rossi would not has gone to court if the ERV was not supportive of his case. On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 9:55 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Craig Haynie wrote: > > Rossi also wants his intellectual property back. Last year, IH filed a >> patent on

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

It is unfair to characterize Jack in this way. He devoted a great deal of effort attempting to prove LENR was viable and it appeared to me that he was seeing some interesting results in early experiments. Perhaps he has changed his beliefs as of this time due to taking a second look at his

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Jed, You write. "I know how the people at I.H. do it," How do you know that? Have you visited them and seen them do it? I doubt anyone who writes about this story knows the players better than Mats Lewan. I judge him technically competent. He is cautious but has been persuaded that the

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

a.ashfield wrote: > You write. "I know how the people at I.H. do it," > How do you know that? As I said, I have met with them and discussed this with them. > I doubt anyone who writes about this story knows the players better than > Mats Lewan. I judge him

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Lennart Thornros wrote: I beg to differ, when it comes to your ability to judge people. > Your examples - Donald Trump and you? > Read this carefully: Anyone can say with confidence that I, Jed, speak Japanese better than Donald Trump does. That is a fact. You can easily

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Rossi also wants his intellectual property back. Last year, IH filed a patent on Rossi's technology. Craig On 04/10/2016 09:47 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Axil Axil > wrote: IH is now being discarded, If he is discarding I.H. why is he suing

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

>>>He says he has not read the Penon report yet, so he cannot judge. The people at I.H. have read it. At this point, we can only compare Rossi's evaluation with I.H.'s. In my informed opinion, they are better at calorimetry, so it is likely they are right. Does the license agreement look like

Re: [Vo]:more automation like Jed said was coming

On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Frank Znidarsic wrote: http://www.aol.com/article/2016/04/10/us-military-christens-self-driving-sea-hunter-warship/21340920/ Unrelated to the point about automation, the strange looking boat reminded me of a recent trip I took into Oklahoma,

Re: [Vo]:more automation like Jed said was coming

Until things are not going our way! -Original Message- From: a.ashfield To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Apr 10, 2016 6:12 pm Subject: [Vo]:more automation like Jed said was coming Frank, "Use of force will always be carried out by humans." Like

Re: [Vo]:Fabio Penon

Hi all Fabio Penon was the primary engineer that IH helped select, on which to base their Due Diligence, for purchase of the E-Cat license and IP access, they were so happy with his work, and that of the team they selected and that they agreed for him to run; that they spent $10 million dollars

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

a.ashfield wrote: > Thank you for proving my point (Skeptics will not believe any test) > You have no idea what tests were run on the 1 MW plant by the EVR but you > have already dismissed it sight unseen. > But not without reason. Those of us who are familiar with

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Brad, I concur. Nobody talking here is a pseudo-skeptic. Every one of us who is skeptical here has devoted a large amount of time (and money for some of us) to reading, analyzing, thinking, and even directly conducting many experiments. I have wanted the E-cat to work as much as anyone, and

RE: [Vo]:Fabio Penon

The idea that a person is qualified because their parent paid for their Phd is preposterous. The title 'doctor' or 'doctore' used to only be conveyed upon a person by their peers after decades of work in the field. Then universities saw the opportunity to go whoring and sell titles to the

Re: [Vo]:Fabio Penon

An interesting discourse on Engineering Comity: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8mt4mJOTGvBeHU1THRGaHFIZDQ/view?usp=sharing

[Vo]:Greenglow by Ronald Evans

It an interesting book about the fundamentals of physics. I understand most of it except for the section on Green's Theorem. I never was able to grasp the theorem I and still don't. The book is heavy on fundamental physics and light on experiment. If I knew Evan's address I would send him a

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Jed, everyone can have an opinion. My opinion is that there is no way to qualify the right answer or sort out anything of this mess - based on judging people's character. Why not wait for the report, which Rossi says is coming? IMHO it is remarkable that IH did not resolve the issue by negotiate

Re: [Vo]:Fabio Penon

Thanks to those that have replied with useful links. "It was almost a thousand years ago, when the University of Bologna, or Alma Mater Studiorum (Nourishing Mother of Studies), the oldest university functioning constantly started teaching various disciplines at graduate level. " "Cost

[Vo]:more automation like Jed said was coming

Frank, "Use of force will always be carried out by humans." Like to hazard a guess how long that will remain true?

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Jack, Thank you for proving my point (Skeptics will not believe any test) You have no idea what tests were run on the 1 MW plant by the EVR but you have already dismissed it sight unseen. "Brad, I concur. Nobody talking here is a pseudo-skeptic. Every one of us who is skeptical here has

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Lennart Thornros wrote: > My opinion is that there is no way to qualify the right answer or sort out > anything of this mess - based on judging people's character. > I am not talking about character so much as technical ability. I can judge that. When you know people as

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

I.H. has done nothing wrong. I.H. has simply set up a business and an R plan that the new changes in the patent laws have made possible. It goes like this. Acquire as many patents and ideas as possible, mix, match, and blend them together, put them in an innovation blender, and produce a hybrid