The intro was nice. But damn, thanks for the spoiling! Damn you!
Not really humorous. I got interested in the story. But you spoiled the ending.
If you thought the story was interesting, I did you tell the ending? I
really got interested into it.
My wife is a kind of medium. I don't believe that. But, anyway, she
doesn't know English and cannot read what I am writing here, so, just
ask Witch Doctor to tell her his true name and I will email it to you
Steven, as a confirmation.
Not convincing calculations. What is the density of water that can be
sustained in droplets and what is the size of the droplets before they
coalesce and rain back?
I found this sequence of illustrations videos for a liquid at only 5C,
showing the characteristic 2 phase fluid vapor/liquid with different
qualities. Notice that while the pressure is low, the expected mist
just happen for higher pressure and higher steam quality.
*higher speed and higher steam quality
More at chapter 12:
The content table is here:
But I cannot open the chapter from there, I found them either by
google or changing the number manually.
Why are you subtracting the in Bologna if it was actually measured there?
BTW, the boiling point for water at 1016hPa is 100.1, according to this
boiling point calculator (pure water)
So, the boiling temperature is 99.9C.
Mark, I put an entire book on 2-phase flow on this discussion list, 3 days
The analysis of Ed Storm is consistent with the book chapters of 2 phase
flows that I posted here another day. No one bothered to read that with
attention and in case anyone does that will see that the only consistent
solution is that there is at least 3200W of excess energy.
The only way this
Wet steam just exist when there is a 2-fluid flow, this is why wikipedia
talks about machines. Steam is dry.
Only inside the hose. Outside it, it is clean. Either way, both at
horizontal and vertical inclinations of the hose, at 100C and 6m/s, no more
than 15% of the mass can be in the liquid state without at least some kind
of squirting be constantly be pouring out of the house.
This is why one should look at the general appearance of a 2 fluid flow to
draw a conclusion.
I sent you an email, did you receive it?
I only found this substance with a boiling point of 414C:
Synonyms: 1,2,4-benzenetricarboxylic acid tris(2-ethylhexyl) ester, trioctyl
Take a look at this video, simulating steam production at 1200W with a
4m long hose:
It does look like the swedish's magzine video, NyTeknik, including the
weird sounds, around 1200W:
What do you think?
The woven works at 1700W.
The original post is here:
The preprint is out and he refers to the january and march's demonstration:
It was announced on July 4th on this post,
but it wasn't available at the
Not photoshoped, but a good visual effects video. Probably promotional
viral video for some movie, in the style first person style of amateur
filming like Blair Witch Project or Cloverfield ... I LOVE THESE KINDS
OF MOVIES!!! :D
There is a weird date at the corner, 12-06-11, where the filming was
The video dates June 24th, 2011... so it doesn't make sense... Perhaps
it is another date, chinese/japanese numbering, June 11th 2012.
This proves that if this is a scam, a lot of people are on it together!!!
There is no reason to sit and say it for so long, in a daily basis, in
these wonderful claims without either being a scammer or all being
true. I cannot think that any kind of decent physicist would exist in
an intermediary category.
My wife got this email from AR:
I never said that we have a contract with the University of Uppsala.
Professors of the University of Uppsala made test with our apparatus,
but without a contract. It has been a free, indipendent test. We are
in contact with the University of Uppsala
Hmm, I wonder if Krivit was really telling the truth and he played
tricks on Rossi. On his website, Rossi said that there wasn't an
output of 4KW:
Dear Marcia Pires:
***4000 kW is a power we never reached. The speed in
I had an idea. Any nuclear process releases neutrinos. In LENR, even
in small experiments, it seems there is a neutrino flux comparable or
bigger the Sun irradiates the Earth. (200billion neutrinos/cm^2). So,
why not making an LENR experiment close to a big neutrino detector,
Any link to the experiment?
The title is misleading. The topic is not about Fleischman watching
the coverage, this was just a note in the beginning of the article.
The article is a actually about an email interview with Brian
Josephson and his online QA video.
That is certainly a trick. The poster of the video wrote himself the
label trick .
I found some Julian Brown here:
He starts a long discussion here:
I did not find any name Julian Brown related to EPO, except for an
inventor with this name:
Julian Brown seems to be a clown. At least he is what you guys call a
BTW, I refer to the Julian Brown of the EPO, not this one:
It seems that this EPO's Julian mentioned that he worked at Oxford
during the 80's, to make some kind of smoke screan with Julian Brown
from Oxford. They do not have anything to do with each other:
So, why does he uses the Oxford address? That doesn't make sense since
the EPO's Julian, according to himself, was just in Oxford only during
Did you read my following messages?
Also an email from Oxford, included in a paper 18 years after he
left the institution.
How can we make sure that 1MW e-cat is true during a presentation? It
is certainly not hard to emulate the e-cat performance at home with
600W, 1KW or maybe a laboratory with a 5KW source to heat water. But
for a fake e-cat, it would be required 140KW to 1MW to emulate the big
I don't know if I wasn't clear or I am just not understanding you. I
am not actually questioning if the whether the objections would apply
or not but how we could objectively object by looking at videos or
reproducing small demos. Even 140KW is a bit too much of steam or even
heated water to make
If Rossi was a scammer, he'd never accept this kind of visit or would
make a more decent presentation like he did with Lewan or would just
remain silent. This explosive behavior makes me think that e-cat is
true... Unless he is simulating a true behavior to hide a scam. This
is a kind of recursive
So, can you confirm that Julian Brown from the European Patent Office
is the same as the one of this paper:
-- Forwarded message --
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer
I am not sure if you could do this procedure in any place. In not all
places the accused is allowed to produce evidences against
If Brown didn't say what Rossi claims, I'd
suggest Brown may want those recordings *immediately* subpoenaed. If he did
say that, and if what he said
In one of my comments, I put a website that lists people with given
names up to 200. There are over 200 Julian Browns in the UK, that
is, they exceed the maximum amount allowed to be displayed in the
website. So, that is a common name.
The meeting took place in Bologna. The thing that could happen is
Brown accusing Rossi of defamation and show a picture of the website
as a proof. If Rossi didn't present defense, the purported recordings,
he would get a sentence. No need for a subpoena.
According to Rossi, high output of heats does yield a lot of
radiation, I think gamma radiation. I think he said somewhere that he
had to stay 30m away from the e-cat so that radiation were not
harmful. I am not sure of this.
I am not referring to US, but to Italy, since I suppose they have a
criminal Law similar to my country, Brazil.
The discussion lists on Yahoo never had a slow response time to me...
I am ok with that.
This looks like a Brazilian soap opera! LOL! :D
What about a forum instead of a discussion list?
20 year from the day the patent was filled in... But Rossi's was in
2009, so, that's more 18 years...
No, not critics. The director of those Swedish physicists denied there
was a contract, Rossi also denied that, and in fact what will happen
is a collaboration of the professors of Bologna and Uppsal to develop
Not really, but it refers to a post of Krivit. We discussed that last week :)
This is not very different from what Krivit did...
200W from the hose and 200W from the e cat structure, at lest. 100Watt
to heat the water 0.3g/s. So, if the output looked like a 800W steam
from a stove, we have 500W of excess power. Could be more, but
probably Rossi didn't want to harm Krivit, just show that steam was
According to some theories of LENR, like Lewis Larsen, there is a
layer on the surface of the metal which strongly shields against
radiation. Did anyone try to put inside the metal some radioactive
particle or try to irradiate it from outside to see if that really
They will receive the licence to sell their products in greece in
september, however xanthoulis said that in another country the licence
is already acquired (he didn’t said witch one).
Sounds like it is a mere bureaucratic wait. So, we have also the Greek
government involved in the scam, if it is
The dineutron or polyneutron theory belongs to Fisher:
W-L. is just a 1-neutron theory. Anyway, it gives weird results, for
example, the resulting materials should be very radioactive.
This is what I tried to explain before. Discussing about wetness of
the steam is a moot point. The mass of liquid in any of those video
is visually less 5%, if that much. More than that, the liquid hose
would pour bubbles. But forget about it, people won't listen to this.
It seems they
Shouldn't an EM be applied into the powder? Loading with gas only won't work.
I was wondering of why not using Uranium to show once for all that LENR
exists to all skeptics. Most Uranium of it is U238, and is nearly stable,
with a half life of 4.5billion years. Doing an Arata like experiment with it
will yield a considerably high quantity of radioactive ramains, given that
We, from the list, are well aware that Jed Rothwell has some inside
information about the validity of the e-cat. Despite that, I haven't seen
him clearly manifest about the feeble steam output of the hose in the e-cat
video. The merit is not on the quality of the steam, even if has 0% liquid
The difference between 4.4KW and 0.8KW was not visual, the former didn't
seem to put much more steam. The difference was more in the intervals
between bubbling noises. They seem to scale inversely linearly with the
He did not make one comment about the video, but wrote 2 long posts about
his visit, heh.
So, according to this:
We have 383W for the hose and 100W inside the hose. If the flux is 1.5g/s,
we have 75*1.5*4.184 = 470.7W to heat the water up to boiling point. The
total loss is around 950W. The alleged output is 4700W , so we
Anyway, the demonstration was unclear and there is not much point to trying
to analyze it in detail. I cannot understand why Rossi does not do a more
Oh, Jed, now even you are doubting!
Makes no sense is a word too strong. I guess you are leaning to think he
is a crank. Well, if you Jed, throw in the towel, I will do it too, since
you are a huge fan and supporter of LENR for over 20 years.
Yeah, Rossi might even be a scammer, but Krivit made a very weak argument
there and it gives me doubts about the reliability of his report. I've had
neighbors whose (small) companies' offices were their own apartment.
I don't see any problem with 130KW, given it was just a spike in power with
a base at 18KW, which is measured by the amount of steam poured. That means
a 7 time increase in speed of the steam for some seconds. It probably blew
as strong as a vacuum cleaner.
Oh! So the 18 hour test did not involve phase change, no steam! This is
surely amusing since one can hardly falsify that so easily with people that
are used to the usual tiny LENR effects. HAHA!
This is certaily AMAZING! So, if this is a scam, well, it is a HUGE ONE.
Now, Rossi really did
Yeah, I saw that later and acknowledged that in the other thread about 18
hour test. Answer me there :)
I was thinking about a thick hose, anyway :)
Let me get this simple to you. You are WRONG.
There is the probe and there is the instrument itself. The instrument itself
just responds to whatever analogical electric signals the probe sends. And
it is basically a calculator and makes stores this signuals The instrument
By knowing the RH, you will know the steam quality, adding temperature and
output, you will find the pressure inside the chamber.
Yes, he measured the pressure. He doesn't need an instrument specific for
that. You don't need an instrument for every data you want to find. For
example, even in any big particle colliders you don't see all of the
resulting colliding particles. You reconstruct the the trajectories and the
There is no need for literature. If you have 1bar or less and any
temperature above 100C, with 0% RH, you have no liquid water in any kind of
gas, even if that gas is steam.
The probe can work util 150C. It doesn't need to be that one that measure
This is the reason why you need to know only one measured variable
from E-Cat and that is the temperature of steam.
You need also RH to make sure there is no mist.
No, not a circular demonstration. Steam is dry because P=1bar, and T100
cosidering that the measured RH=0.
But if you say RH=0, it is dry. If there is mist it will point a non null
RH, if there is bubbling, there will probably be a short circuit and the
value of RH will saturate or very wildly.
No, you misunderstood me. I am talking about the need for the RH quantity,
to make sure that there isn't enough liquid mass to invalidate the output
I just read about relative humidity. It I was wrong about the measurement of
RH. It will be 1 all the time given the measured steam above, without, is
already saturated steam. So, only the T will make sense.
The high powered tests were done with a lot of liquid water instead of
5 of what timezone? What blog or newsource?
NyTeknik maintains that the liquid mass is at most 10% (steam quality at
least 90%) and because of this there is no significant error in measuring
the heat output using the steam.
Statement from Defkalion Green Technologies, August 8, 2011.
The invention of Andrea Rossi received international doubt due to its
nature having the capacity to change the global energy sector. Tremendous
been made by Andrea Rossi to establish credibility for his
From Daniele Passerini's blog: (google translated)
The writer in hierarchical order, has sought to pursue in his life and
humbly serve the following VALUES:
- scientific truth and its contribution anthropocentric ... ...
- The values of culture, democracy, human civilization and
environmental health as it develops.
Looks like the Witch Doctor was right at least about a few things, like
Rossi still looking for support.
So, we now are aware that one of the parties, either Rossi's or Defkalion,
has been telling big lies. That makes everything questionable. So, I think
it is safe to say that, true or not, Rossi's device is at a dead end.
I think it is difficult to think that Rossi was not aware of what was
written on the Defkalion's forums by the their staff:
- They have build working systems -- kilowatt scale and megawatt scale.
- Their design for the reactor is different than yours, but is fully
So, at the very least, Rossi erred by omission, a very bad one, by not
dismissing Defkalion's claims of massively testing e-cats. So, he blatantly
associated with liars and cheaters.
I am not talking about something personal. Just that there was at the very
least a scam from Defkalion.
Jed, I meant dismissed before he split out of Defkalion. He was okay with
them lying while there was promise of money from Defkalion. If that was some
minor detail, that would be alright, like releasing date, some fine detail
about the working of the machines. But, they lied about everything! They
I haven't seen any announcement from Defkalion regarding terminating their
business, so the only conclusion I can have it is that they don't need the
secret catalyzer. Do you know of a way to confirm that?
Well, he posted 2 papers from NASA from 2003 in which something about cold
fusion is reported.
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