http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110624/wl_asia_afp/japandisasteraccidentnuclearsunflowers
TOKYO (AFP) – Campaigners in Japan are asking people to grow
sunflowers, said to help decontaminate radioactive soil, in response
to the Fukushima nuclear disaster that followed March's massive quake
and
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes! I have personal experience as a channel, and have studied Jane
Roberts' Seth books since 1973, and Jesus' A Course In Miracles since
1977.
attachment: palmslap.jpg
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
I hope you got some stock in Rossi's company, cuz the parr-teee is gonna be
at your house, and it
ain't gonna be cheap! :-)
You like Alaska in the winter?
T
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110622125706.htm
ScienceDaily (June 27, 2011) — University of Minnesota engineering
researchers in the College of Science and Engineering have recently
discovered a new alloy material that converts heat directly into
electricity.
. . .
The alloy
Well, just about static electricity:
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/06/how-static-electricity-works/#more-65419
Maybe there's a energy source here. Oops, I forgot the testatika.
T
http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/2011/06/comet-elenin-is-not-satellite-of-brown.html
Whew! I was afraid we would miss the E-Lion!
T
On behalf of Ms. Macy:
http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/MacyDefkalion.pdf
T
Multiverse M Brane intersection?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2008161/Ghostly-mirage-appears-river-Huanshan-City-China.html
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Oops, forgot to change the Subject line...
Altho, those were interesting mirages... If not portals in other universes...
Pretty Fringe, eh? :-)
Break out the amber.
As Iverson reported in his mirage response:)
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/37/Report2-372-EnergyCatalyzerScientificCommunicationAndEthicsIssues.shtml
In this corner we have . . .
T
Are any Vorts planning on attending? Looks like lots of fun.
http://www.teslatech.info/ttevents/2011conf/program2011.pdf
T
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Akira Shirakawa
shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello group,
This link was just forwarded to me:
* * *
http://vimeo.com/25785236
Two short interviews recorded after Defkalion's press conference.
by Giacomo Guidi
Production capacity is sold out for the
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:21 PM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
To all Vorts that read/speak Italian:
Could you please visit the website that Harry Veeder supplied and report back
to The Collective!
http://www.ioriocirillo.com/eng/index.php
There is little english content;
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
The curious thing about all of this is that the nano-nickel which did not
load was still producing net heat gain, ala Rossi. And wouldn't you know it
- this one, which loads well, has yet to produce net excess heat. Go
Many cosmological theories presume the pixel size of the universe is
the Planck Length (1.616 x 10^-35 m). This limits the amount of
information contained in a black hole by one theory. It also limits
the amount of energy in the zero point field by Puthoff's (et. al.)
theory.
Recent
Serious damage occurred to at least one reactor before the Tsunami
hit. Anonymous reports on construction flaws and failures due to the
earthquake:
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2011/07/meltdown-what-really-happened-fukushima/39541/
On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Other important stuff in that document follows. The reactor holds far more
than 6 months of fuel, as I thought. The 6-month limit is to inspect the
equipment. That is, to make sure it is still in good working condition,
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 12:00 AM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings Vortex-L:
I went to http://www.netsol.com and their WHOIS
to see who is behind http://www.ecatreports.com
It appears that the site owner is anonymous via
http://www.domainsbyproxy.com
Yes, through
From their web site:
Directors:
George Sortikos, born 1942 – Chairman
Engineer. Ex banker and industrialist (high tech ceramics). Ex
president of the state owned Greek Industrial Investment Bank (ETBA)
in 80-90s and founder of Omega Bank.(90s)
George Xanthoulis, born in 1987 – Deputy Chairman,
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 4:05 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
My dear friends,
I have just posted INFORMAVORE's SUNDAY No. 462
at Ego
Out- http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/07/informavores-sunday-no-462.html
An excellent issue- a proof the the World is interesting and active
All steam is dry steam when it leaves the surface of water by
definition. Molecules of water must achieve sufficient kinetic energy
to overcome the intermolecular forces of liquid water. Statistically,
some molecules are able to achieve this at room temperature; so, water
will evaporate.
Vortex was down for most of yesterday. I am subscribed to the Eskimo
yahoo list. If any member ever wants to find out what's doin' with
Vortex list, you may send me a email directly.
Also, you can also check the archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/
to see if Eskimo is
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Wrong. Steam can be wet.
No sir.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam
Steam can be wet. Live with it.
Semantics, I know; but, wet steam is not steam:
steam
[steem]
–noun
1.
water in the form of an invisible gas or vapor.
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Steam can be wet. Live with it.
Water cannot leave the surface of water. It must be in a gaseous
form. Learn some thermodynamics, Cude. Each molecule that escapes
the intermolecular forces takes with it that amount of
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Jeff Driscoll hcarb...@gmail.com wrote:
it leaves the surface as a gaseous form but then it can condense into
microscopic droplets while giving up latent heat (heat of
vaporization)
what thermodynamic point was incorrect?
Many people seem to claim that the
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Drop a stone into a pond to prove that this is wrong. Or check out a
cool-mist humidifier. Turbulent boiling water also produces liquid droplets
that are carried into the air by the vapor.
Steam can be wet. Live with it.
Really, the water exits the reactor by a mechanical method.
Oh, it splashed out of the reactor!!
Why did I not think of that?
No wait! The molecules grew cilia and it walked out of the reactor!
/sarcasm
The water either overflows the pipe as a liquid or leaves as a gas.
Indeed it will be
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
They said it was a different liquid.
They did not actually identify the medium:
Re: Cooling Hyperion with liquid salts
Defkalion GT
Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:46 pm
Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:56 am
Posts: 121
July 6th, 2011
Dear interested party,
You have received this email because you have shown an initial interest for
commercial involvement with our company and our products based on Andrea
Rossi’s
e-Cat invention (exothermic reaction between Hydrogen and Nickel).
Many have signed non disclosure
Can I borrow $58M?
T
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:30 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Does anyone else have any thoughts on the current status of
Defkalion's piggy bank?
The story is that they are funded by expat Greeks living in Canada to the
tune of €400M. The funds are
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:01 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
That would seem to suggest that Defkalion will probably be able to pay
salary utility bills through the end of the year... at least through
October. ;-)
I don't expect to see any IPOs any time
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
Re: Unban Stella_Nokia
Recognize the anagram?
T
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
He also uses: Tinsel Koala
Yes, the same dude who allegedly made a self running whipmag motor
based on a dream by a member of the Steorn forum.
T
Yeah, uh, a bit disconcerting.
Just in case of a catastrophic failure of the Vortex-l list. I have
created a yahoo group called Vortex-l Backup.
The homepage is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vortex-l-backup
and the email address is: vortex-l-bac...@yahoogroups.com
Right now it is wide
(Sorry if this shows up more than once)
Just in case of a catastrophic failure of the Vortex-l list. I have
created a yahoo group called Vortex-l Backup.
The homepage is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vortex-l-backup
and the email address is: vortex-l-bac...@yahoogroups.com
Right now it is
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 3:07 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
second sending, sick server?
Dear Friends,
Here is the issue 463 of my INFORMAVORE's SUNDAY.
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/07/informavores-sunday-no-463.html
Interesting information, e.g. about brain, sex,
If it's staged and photoshopped, it's a darn good job:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2008437/UFOs-filmed-BBC-building-London.html
T
There's an audio interview with AR on the right column. He's at home in Miami.
T
It almost makes one think that Krivit has a vested interest elsewhere
as AR implicated.
T
Are some UFOs organic? Bova, et al, wrote of sentient atmospheric
beings of Jupiter. Do they exist here. This article provides some
evidence:
http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2011/07/atmospheric-monsters-attack/
T
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Akira Shirakawa
shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2011-07-12 22:21, Jones Beene wrote:
Akira - yes this conversation did happen; but it is/was NOT supposed to be
public. The subject line is also misleading.
Celani (via Passerini) should not have posted it.
Carl fixed the problem with the Ultra5 server which runs this list but
he offered the following:
[EskimoNorthUsers] Bad news
From: Carl c...@eskimo.net
To: eskimonorthus...@yahoogroups.com
More bad news... someone levied all of Eskimo's bank accounts dry, in
fact it even over
Trust but verify.
T
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Terry Blanton wrote:
Trust but verify.
I don't get that. If you have verified, you don't need to trust.
Yes, well, I think Reagan was being amusing. At least, that's how *I*
intended it.
T
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
As Richard Feynman said, there are some who are very uncomfortable not making
a decision...
Some individuals tend to operate in a binary mode, and are constantly
changing their 'decision' as
new data comes in. I,
I suppose they know the secret sauce?
T
:-)
The end was the best.
T
http://ecatnews.com/?p=489#comment-85
Julian Brown
July 17, 2011 - 10:25 pm
Can i ask you, for the sake of my family, to remove my submission to your blog.
It was sent in good faith, because I really care about the LENR field
and don’t want it to suffer yet another set back, but I see I may have
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 8:54 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Jed, it's important to read statements from critics like Cude very
carefully.
No can do. He is in my kill file. I only see snippets when other people
quote him. Life is
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Did you read, Terry, what had been put up on the blog just before his
request? I don't wonder that he's worried.
No, sorry Abd, are you speaking of the Admin post; or of all the
references by Daniel? If the
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
I do not argue with ghosts.
I don't blame you, after the pathetic wet steam is not possible salvo.
Ah yes, those ghosts which grab splashy
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
http://www.k1man.com/web60/Page_67x.html
No, but do you know many HAMs?
http://www.k1man.com/web60/Page_1x.html
:-)
T
From the ISP Users Group for Vortex:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/EskimoNorthUsers/message/1599
More bad news... someone levied all of Eskimo's bank accounts dry, in fact it
even over drafted one of them by 238 bucks! The bank of course didn't tell me
who in their notice, so I'm going to
Is there anything against the creation of a Google Group instead?
Anyway, this is going either way to hugely affect the public reach of the
vortex-l discussion group.
Google groups are the old Usenet, right? Yahoo offers file folders,
piccys, etc.
Anyway, I created a google group too.
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 10:47 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Who decides?
I'm not trying to be flippant. if we determine it might be wise to
migrate, exactly who makes the decision... the final determination.
Do we vote on it?
Run some test messages
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
I think most of the 'regulars' and ol' Timers would agree that, out of
respect for the founder, the
decision should be done by Mr. Beaty himself...
Well, I never intended a permanent relocation. The list belongs to
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Alexander Hollins
alexander.holl...@gmail.com wrote:
While I agree with you, this has been argued to DEATH and back.
Really? When?
Of course, I'd be willing to set up a Vortex Fan Page on Facebook if
anyone else here uses it.
Many organizations (including
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Michele Comitini
michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote:
Guess what Rossi says ... :-)
Andrea Rossi July 19th, 2011at 9:22AM
Dear Carlo: Probably there has been a misunderstanding, no 35 kW reactors
will be demonstrated anywhere in public.
I guess it boils down to
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sunearth/news/dark-fireworks.html
On June 7, 2011, Earth-orbiting satellites detected a flash of X-rays
coming from the western edge of the solar disk. Registering only M
(for medium) on the Richter scale of solar flares, the blast at first
appeared to be a
You can buy commercial pressure relief valves which will prevent an
explosion. See globalspec.com
T
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 7:27 AM, Robert Leguillon
robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
http://evworld.com/press/e-cat_cutaway.jpg
Two heaters. The internal heater makes sense for bringing up the Ni-H to
operating temperatures (and, presumably, keep it there). It's the purpose of
the external
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Terry,
Stray current between two resistance heaters would be counter-intuitive,
since the heaters are supposed to be well insulated electrically,
Not necessarily. Note that the internal heater could be a nichrome or
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Second, there is a cat-e design option currently in development that does
not use any input energy to control the Rossi reaction.
Allegedly. Unless, of course, you have taken a job with Defkalion and
aren't telling us. ;-)
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Steven V Johnson wrote:
Nah! All'ya need is a Ford Model T crank.
We're in luck, then. We have plenty of cranks in this field.
Yep,
T (Crank)
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
It's like opening a can of spaghetti and finding that half of the pasta is
actually worms. Gee, it looked like pasta to me!
Hey, that's an insult to us pastafarians!
Celani:
17:32 - Explain how the principles of cold fusion, well known and
known in military areas, are used in the production of micro-tactical
nuclear bombs.
I wonder if he really meant to say that?
T
Another curious Celani comment:
18.08 - Celani notes that the best researchers in the field end up
working in military laboratories (Los Alamos, Naval Research). The
campaign of denigration against the cold fusion on the one hand, and
investment research on the military are probably the other two
Oh, he also said that, even if CF was real, you could not get enough T
from such a reaction for the government's needs.
We seem to get a lot of potential disinfo here on the Vort list.
T (with neutrons to spare)
On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 1:51 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
My dear Friends,
My offer to you, this morning:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/07/informavores-sunday-no-465.html
There is always something fascinating. This my choice for this week:
The 2011 Cold Fusion/Lattice-Assisted Nuclear Reactions Colloquium
at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology — Part I
http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/LANR2011Colloq.pdf
And perhaps, as Peter and I have discussed, there is no Rossi magic
sauce after all . . . it's all in the size, shape, cleansing, pressure
and temperature of the elements involved.
T
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 6:15 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com
wrote:
- On a theoretical perspective (Piantelli has a mathematical theory which
doesn't require exotic reactions, but that can be explained by current
physical laws and mathematics) protons of 6-7 Mev energy have been
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
Is it just me ... or is there an Elephant in the room?
It's a selective attention test:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo
T
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/07/29/possible-low-or-no-levels-of-excess-heat-in-rossi-device/
Our analysis shows a possible energy gain of one to two times.
end excerpt
I wonder who constitutes Our?
T
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the
continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a
manor of thy friend's or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes
me, because I am
http://blogs.forbes.com/uciliawang/2011/07/20/gms-search-for-a-home-for-used-chevy-volt-batteries/
GM is looking for ways to re-use its Chevy Volt’s lithium-ion
batteries after they have served their purpose or the cars are heading
to the junk yard. Batteries already can be recycled to retrieve
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote:
I've had enough
of this sort of thing from Lomax, or whoever he really is.
Lomax is a real, breathing person; whereas, Cude is a sceptiBot
created by the CSICOP.
T
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 10:10 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
Back around 2008 I gather someone who went by the name of Alsetalokin
(that's Nicola Tesla spelled backwards) brought an unusual magnetic motor
configuration to the public domain's attention.
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 10:36 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Regarding the animated graphic purporting to represent the whipMag
configuration in action, as shown out at:
http://www.overunity.org.uk/cmps_index.php?pageid=whipmag1
this animation appears (to
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 11:35 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
That may be so, but OC's dream variation is, IMO, categorically
different than what Alsetalokin's original configuration appears to
show. IMHO, OC dream, specifically the dynamic animation displayed
Like Art's Parts, these artifacts of the Roswell crash show isotopic anomalies:
http://www.openminds.tv/test-confirms-roswell-debris-733/
We had always planned to check small animal lairs if we ever had a
chance to visit the crash site.
T
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Andrea Selva
andreagiuseppe.se...@gmail.com wrote:
Michele, if you look at this
page http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/37/3705report3.shtml scrolling
down just past 50% you can see a note and a picture of the factory location
The address is from the state
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
Cool!
Terry, can you give a link to something on the Art's Parts isotopic
anomalies?
And do you know if the isotope shifts were the same or similar in the stuff
Kimbler found?
How about one on alien implant isotopic
The thing that bugged me about the whipmag saga was that Al did
say, quietly, offhandedly, that no laws of physics were being
broken, but made the demo look as convincing as he could.
Yes. Sounds like you were there for the whole stinking show. I have
followed his posts on the Steorn forum
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 2:32 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
As for me, I'm tapped out cash wise. ... the garage is a mess, too.
Well, Clanzer, and others, built exact replicas to no avail. I would
not advise you to follow suit.
T
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 5:39 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
My initial interest was strongly biased towards speculating on whether
an asymmetry might begin to manifest in Alsetalokin's ROTOR/STATOR
configuration if everything could be carefully choreographed
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 10:15 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
. . .perhaps eccentricity and cynicism may not mix very well.
My two cents.
:-)
Eccentricity and cynicism . . . two scents!
T
You *know* it! From today's blog:
In a few months I predict a peak in the world, not oil, but requests
for psychotherapy by skeptics, deniers, scientist, following the
collapse of their granite certainties.
You rock, Daniele!
T
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Y0c8llMBHCk/TjdF3Ye-TiI/FYg/1NltRQDNJ-E/s640/stevenpotter.jpg
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Akira Shirakawa
shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote:
He must have read quite revealing emails, as he says. Too bad we'll probably
have to wait until the end of October to see for ourselves the conclusive
pieces of evidence, but that's not too far away in time after
http://www.jouleunlimited.com/news/2011/joule-awarded-patents-high-volume-ethanol-production-sunlight-and-co2
Cambridge, Mass. – July 26, 2011 – Joule Unlimited Technologies today
announced the issuance of its first two U.S. patents covering its
fundamental method for producing ethanol at volumes
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
... imagine the possibilities of this for the white liquor biz g
All I need to do is get my hands on a culture!
T
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
But mainly there is no steam
quality issue by adding a small commercial heat exchanger to the plumbing -
or even condense the E-Cat output using an internal coil of copper pipe (the
moonshiners method).
You're originally
(Actually, the MAHG had no state change; but, the closed loop
calorimetry was, uh, cool.)
T
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Sun Tea will never be the same ...
89 Octane Kombucha! Cleans your injectors.
T
(This is getting outta hand.)
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 3:42 AM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
Accoriding Steven Krivit (#3 report and some earlier writing), Daniele was
also present at 18 hour test (i have not seen other sources).
Indeed he was; and, Daniele has more insider knowledge than Krivit
since Daniele
Hamdi! Good to hear from you again!
Terry
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Hamdi Ucar u...@verisoft.com wrote:
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2011/sun-free-photovoltaics-0728.html
What happens when the PV have same temparature of the thermal emmiters?
BTW, can be used with e-cat.
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