Re: [Vo]:Aether and the epo field - was: Marwan asks AIP to explain cancellation
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 21 Oct 2010 20:49:12 -0700: Hi, [snip] >By far the most important energy value in the universe, especially for >finding alternatives to what we do see, would therefore be the binding >energy of this 'molecule' - 6.8 eV. You might even go so far as to call it >the available power quotient of aether. 6.8 eV is ionization energy of a Hydrogen atom, when the proton is replaced by a positron, due to the "reduced mass" of the electron in that case. However this is likely only valid for an independent positronium atom, and likely not true for a lattice. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:Aether and the epo field - was: Marwan asks AIP to explain cancellation
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 21 Oct 2010 20:49:12 -0700: Hi, [snip] >This has been called the EPOLA (Electron-POsitron-LAttice) by Menahem >Simhony - from his version of Dirac, similar to Hotson's: > >http://www.epola.co.uk/introduction/precis/precis.htm I have a couple of problems with EPOLA:- 1) Why wouldn't the electrons and positrons annihilate one another (as commonly happens when they get together)? 2) Quote: "The lattice has no residual charge and can account for zero point energy (ZPE) 4,5 effects and could account for the 'missing' dark matter and energy in the Universe." I don't think there is any missing matter. What is missing in astrophysics is the elephant in the room - magnetism. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
RE: [Vo]:Aether and the epo field - was: Marwan asks AIP to explain cancellation
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69J35X20101020 "Parallel universes, unknown forms of matter, extra dimensions... These are not the stuff of cheap science fiction but very concrete physics theories that scientists are trying to confirm with the LHC and other experiments." Pretty good comments, but with an agenda which is being exposed below that quote, about too much hype and theatrics coming from Cern - trying to justify the insane cost of the LHC boondoggle (also MIT and a few others are guilty of way too much PR hype for tiny advances funded by public money). At vortex, as we are all aware, we strongly frown on too much of this kind of self-promotion :) Seriously - it may be counter-productive to claim 11 dimensions, or whatever is the favorite untested claim. It seems more intuitive to me, if not more accurate scientifically to look at all of the "extra" dimensions, not as dimensions per se, but as fractals describing the linkage of the extremes - that is, connecting 3-space across the expanse of the universe, back to 1-space so as to explain forces in a kind of symmetric GUT which is tied to dimensional geometry. Mandelbrot, RIP, would be delighted - since we tend to forget that his earliest concept of a fractal was nothing less than a "fractional dimension". Later the word became loaded with a lot of baggage that may or may not be relevant to dimensions, but some of the pretty images may surprise us, if and when we find that there is a GUT that works this way - spatially self-similar rather than mathematically rigorous. For instance, observed charge quantization, namely the fact that elementary particles carry electric charges which appear to be exact multiples of 1⁄3 of an "elementary" charge, could be tied into the particular fractal which is known as a Sierpinski triangle... (this only serves as a metaphor, as of now, but is illustrative of the way a GUT could use dimensional fractals to unify everything, since the various force layers connect spatially and not via directly through the forces they represent). Space-time then would NOT a true fourth dimension, as we like to call it today, but instead is more descriptive of the first fractal which emerges out of 3-space on the large end (i.e. "curved space") and so on. All of the other 7-100 (more or less) claimed "dimensions" are instead continuations of a fractal-sequence which revolves reality back to 1-space, and most of them seem to be related to the small end of reality (sub-nanometer). Or, in another wrinkle, with T2 (or higher dimensional time) some parts of 3-space are hidden by another kind of time progression. These may be the "parallel universes". Dirac used the term "reciprocal space" in a different way than can now be proposed (however, the crystallography people are trying to co-opt the term for their own specialty) yet this is such an expressive term that it seems inevitable that all of the higher fractals should be called sets in reciprocal space, instead of either a fourth dimension, or 7/11 'enfolded' dimensions, etc. There could be hundreds of fractals in there. All this is semantics, of course - word-salad with a glimpse of reality on the side ...
Re: [Vo]:Aether and the epo field - was: Marwan asks AIP to explain cancellation
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:55 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > Because it is not in > our 3-space, but can interact on the fringes, it can be useful to us - once > we understand the influence of dimensionality, and it is probably the basis > of all energy anomalies, including LENR. Speaking of Fringes: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69J35X20101020 "Parallel universes, unknown forms of matter, extra dimensions... These are not the stuff of cheap science fiction but very concrete physics theories that scientists are trying to confirm with the LHC and other experiments." The real question is, "Is Olivia a natural redhead in the alternate universe?" T
RE: [Vo]:Aether and the epo field - was: Marwan asks AIP to explain cancellation
Jones, NICE! You just put an electrical value on extra dimensional ether, tied it to the epo and EPOLA and may be staring at the "wheel works of nature". I suspect virtual particles May be the visible manifestation of this carrier but only physical as they pass through our 3 space in what Puthoff refers to as pressure - keeping orbitals from decaying and giving them their spin energy at the larger scale while supplying the nuclear forces as it permeates the sub atomic scales. It is effectively the zip rod that drives the gears of our 3D toy making any differences in its rate of intersection only detectable via relative measure. Best Regards Fran
RE: [Vo]:Aether and the epo field - was: Marwan asks AIP to explain cancellation
Oops - should be 'atom' not 'molecule' in last paragraph, although that slip does beg the question about a possible molecular or higher order structural arrangements Is 'reciprocal space' one dimensional? 4-D? or descriptive of a linkage between the two? are different principles of structural ordering found? -Original Message- From: [email protected] > I'm not sure why you have this fascination with 6.08 eV? Robin, this is probably the most important point of all, in the hypothesis; but the value is 6.8 not 6.08. The "epo field" in a word *is* the "aether", as I read Hotson and others. It is the most important field in the universe, but it is extra-dimensional to us, unlike the others. When 'unification' is finally accomplished, it will be via the epo field. It is a stable lattice, consisting of matter and antimatter, i.e. basic charge particles: electrons and positrons, which only inter-react with our 3-space in certain geometries that offer a dimensional gateway at the interface. For example, the Casimir geometry and FRET. This has been called the EPOLA (Electron-POsitron-LAttice) by Menahem Simhony - from his version of Dirac, similar to Hotson's: http://www.epola.co.uk/introduction/precis/precis.htm The aether lattice has no residual charge bias effect, yet can account for the totality of zero point energy (ZPE) effects by means of its own dynamics, and might well account for the 'missing' dark matter and dark energy of the Universe, the 90% which we do not see. Because it is not in our 3-space, but can interact on the fringes, it can be useful to us - once we understand the influence of dimensionality, and it is probably the basis of all energy anomalies, including LENR. By far the most important energy value in the universe, especially for finding alternatives to what we do see, would therefore be the binding energy of this 'molecule' - 6.8 eV. You might even go so far as to call it the available power quotient of aether. Jones
[Vo]:Aether and the epo field - was: Marwan asks AIP to explain cancellation
-Original Message- From: [email protected] > I'm not sure why you have this fascination with 6.08 eV? Robin, this is probably the most important point of all, in the hypothesis; but the value is 6.8 not 6.08. The "epo field" in a word *is* the "aether", as I read Hotson and others. It is the most important field in the universe, but it is extra-dimensional to us, unlike the others. When 'unification' is finally accomplished, it will be via the epo field. It is a stable lattice, consisting of matter and antimatter, i.e. basic charge particle: electrons and positrons, which only inter-react with our 3-space in certain geometries that offer a dimensional gateway at the interface. For example, the Casimir geometry and FRET. This has been called the EPOLA (Electron-POsitron-LAttice) by Menahem Simhony - from his version of Dirac, similar to Hotson's: http://www.epola.co.uk/introduction/precis/precis.htm The aether lattice has no residual charge bias effect, yet can account for the totality of zero point energy (ZPE) effects by means of its own dynamics, and might well account for the 'missing' dark matter and dark energy of the Universe, the 90% which we do not see. Because it is not in our 3-space, but can interact on the fringes, it can be useful to us - once we understand the influence of dimensionality, and it is probably the basis of all energy anomalies, including LENR. By far the most important energy value in the universe, especially for finding alternatives to what we do see, would therefore be the binding energy of this 'molecule' - 6.8 eV. You might even go so far as to call it the available power quotient of aether. Jones
