[Vo]:Krivit names some Rossi customer names
- Original Nachricht Von: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net An: Vortex-L vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 09.11.2011 08:18 Betreff: [Vo]:Krivit names some Rossi customer names http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/11/09/poor-journalism-by-wired-u- k-on-rossi-story/ It should be noted, a customer who requires high confidentiality would probably not reveal his idendity to a person like Rossi. He would send a trusted proxy or strawmen to make the deal ;-) Possibly Rossis businessmodel is to attract criminals who whant to steal his technology and get their money ;-) It looks like this.
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On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 2:57 AM, Susan Gipp susan.g...@gmail.com wrote: In Italy too Is that a bamboo bong on Lisa's shoulder? Not that I would know what a bong is, mind you. T
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On Nov 9, 2011, at 7:42 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 2:57 AM, Susan Gipp susan.g...@gmail.com wrote: In Italy too Is that a bamboo bong on Lisa's shoulder? Not that I would know what a bong is, mind you. T
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Obviously, Krivit has a very strong personal opinion on the matter. It is his blog, however, so he has every right to blog away to his heart's content. I wouldn't call this journalism however, especially objective journalism. I wouldn't call it journalism because Krivit has made it very clear to his readers that he has convinced himself of a personal belief that Rossi must be a scam artist. I don't know why this seems to have become such an absolute truth in Krivit's mind. I certainly have speculated on reasons, some that might be based on my prior interactions with Krivit. Whatever... The point being, when a journalist has convinced himself that he knows the absolute truth on any particular subject, said journalist ceases to be an objective source of information to his readers. Krivit made the following comments in his November 9 blog: ... And what does the SPAWAR scientist have to say? Nothing. And what does Peter Svensson, the AP reporter who went to check out Rossi's claims for himself say? Nothing. And remember what NASA spokesmen had to say about its relationship with Rossi on Sept. 29 and Oct. 4. Nothing. I am astonished that Krivit seems to be oblivious to a major reason why these individuals would be strongly inclined to say nothing publicly. Rossi's demos have consistently not followed proper scientific protocol. Therefore, what could any of these individuals say publicly on the matter - ESPECIALLY from a scientific POV. If I were in their shoes I couldn't say anything publicly either because I wouldn't have a scientific leg to stand on pertaining and what I could write about. Finally Krivit concludes with the following statement: Obviously NASA, the Navy and AP are conspiring to suppress the reality of Rossi's extraordinary device. This certainly isn't journalism either. It is mockery. IMHO, what Krivit has actually done here, and without Krivit's conscious realization, is both mock and challenge anyone who has not come to the same conclusion that he has arrived at. Not a terribly intelligent thing to do. It's a cover up. A cover up of what, you might ask? I've noticed that Krivit occasionally has a propensity to challenge the perceptions and intelligences of others. Often making these kinds of challenges (vendettas) is nothing more than a cover-up for one's own insecurities. Again, this shows, IMHO, Krivit's inability to accurately understand the motivations of others. But something deep down, something that remains out of conscious awareness. It's like something disturbing is gnawing at you. your conclusions, but you can't admit that doubt consciously, especially to yourself. Therefore, you end up externalizing the disturbances and projecting the problems and inabilities onto the faces of others. I suspect this is probably due to the fact that Krivit has lost track of his own motivations. Carrying a torch often blinds us to the motivations of others. particularly when our own unrealized motivations end up calling all the shots. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Rossi's demos have consistently not followed proper scientific protocol. Therefore, what could any of these individuals say publicly on the matter – ESPECIALLY from a scientific POV. If I were in their shoes I couldn't say anything publicly either because I wouldn't have a scientific leg to stand on pertaining and what I could write about. Sure, that is one problem. But I think for a reporter, not knowing who the customer is, or whether Fioravanti is who he claims to be is a much bigger problem. If I were a reporter I would not print one word about this until I confirm these things. I myself have no serious doubts that Fioravanti is a genuine HVAC engineer working for real customer. But that is just my gut feeling based on the sort of person he is. I suppose it would be difficult to find a middle-aged person who looks and acts like HVAC engineer but is not, or a real engineer who would risk going to jail to help Rossi pull off a scam. That is my feeling, but I would never publish a newspaper article on the strength of a feeling. By the same token, even if I were a skeptic with a gut feeling that Rossi is probably cheating, I would not boldly reach that conclusion based on these tests, or the Oct. 28 test in which Rossi and Fioravanti revealed nothing to the audience. I sure as heck would not publish that conclusion in a newspaper or even New Energy Times! That is reckless. There is not a shred of evidence that Rossi has scammed anyone with the eCat. Not one police report; not a single customer or investor complaint. There is no technical reason to doubt his tests. Of course there is no reason to believe the October 28 test at all, since no details about it were released and no observer was allowed to see the instruments, but the other tests were all positive, beyond a reasonable doubt. They were sloppy, but definitely positive. I do not think that any skeptic here or elsewhere has come up with a viable reason to doubt these tests. Hefner's assertions that the cell might contain within it enough material to produce the four-hour heat after death event is wrong. That is physically impossible by a wide margin. His assertion that the output power is much lower than it appears to be based on the cooling water loop temperatures is also mistaken. That is my opinion, and the opinion of several other scientists and engineers I have discussed this matter with. None of them thinks that this hypothesis has any merit. By the way, putting on a test and not allowing the observers to look at the instruments is an extraordinarily stupid thing to do. It is bad from a public relations point of view, and it is an insult to your observers. It is bound to produce bad publicity. The worst publicity imaginable! I do not know why Rossi did that. I suppose it is because he does not care about public relations, or he does not understand public relations. I do not think this is some sort of clever reverse psychology. A person running a business should understand the importance of presenting a good image to the public, and maintaining a good reputation. - Jed
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I think Krivit's New Energy Times web site name should be renamed to something like Krivit Investigates, or something to that effect. A title like Krivit Investigates would be a much more accurate description of what it actually is that Mr. Krivit performs. It would also be a more honorable presentation of himself to his readers. The title New Energy Times tends to give an impression to innocent/uninformed readers that NET is an organization that employs numerous investigators and journalist - like a real news room. Granted, IMO, Krivit will occasionally tap into the investigative/editorial skills of individuals he trusts, or at least thinks he can keep a handle on. Others have contributed to NET. I have contributed. However, it is clear to me, based on my own experience, as a former NET BoD, that NET is a one-man band. There is absolutely nothing wrong with writing from one's own personal POV concerning investigations into various subjects, especially controversial issues. Look at the Best Sellers list. People LOVE to read about the personal view points of others. Readers love to read about what it specifically was that they personally experienced that ultimately caused the writer to arrive at the conclusions they profess in their writings. IMO, Krivit should do something like that. I don't think it would be a breach of privacy for me to say that Krivit told me on more than one occasion that he could write a book about his personal experiences concerning the interactions he experienced with various individuals within the CF community, and the CF community itself. I think Krivit should do just that. I think Krivit would be far more in his own element if he simply revealed how various interactions he had with various individuals had personally affected his on-going evolving perceptions of them. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Krivit names some Rossi customer names
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/11/09/poor-journalism-by-wired-u- k-on-rossi-story/ Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
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Krivit produced no references for his statements. And you would believe him why? Especially which his very public anti Rossi stance, which I believe is not justified by anything Krivit had or has not published. Just by 2 pence worth. Maybe time to pass the buttered popcorn? I'm pro Rossi's E-Cat does work, just to go on record. Why? Because it looks like something I would build if I was in a big hurry (well I would have done a better job on the heat exchanger) and all the Italian Ni-H research papers, especially that of Piantelli and a few private discussions. AG On 11/9/2011 5:48 PM, Horace Heffner wrote: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/11/09/poor-journalism-by-wired-u-k-on-rossi-story/
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2011/11/9 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com Because it looks like something I would build if I was in a big hurry (well I would have done a better job on the heat exchanger) and all the Italian Ni-H research papers, especially that of Piantelli and a few private discussions. In Italy too attachment: 0116.JPG
