Re: [Vo]:NET Says Little COP

2011-07-30 Thread Damon Craig
It seems Krivit has Rossi-isms of his own.

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:45 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson 
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Terry sez:

  Our analysis shows a possible energy gain of one to two times.
   end excerpt

  I wonder who constitutes Our?

 Expanding on Terry's question:

 Is there a specific link that explains these claims in more detail, or
 are we going to just have to wait? All I see is advertisement. Coming
 attractions.

 Well... Rossi has his blog... and so has Krivit. Guess we can call it even.

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 Steven Vincent Johnson
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[Vo]:NET Says Little COP

2011-07-29 Thread Terry Blanton
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/07/29/possible-low-or-no-levels-of-excess-heat-in-rossi-device/

Our analysis shows a possible energy gain of one to two times.

end excerpt

I wonder who constitutes Our?

T


Re: [Vo]:NET Says Little COP

2011-07-29 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Terry sez:

 Our analysis shows a possible energy gain of one to two times.
  end excerpt

 I wonder who constitutes Our?

Expanding on Terry's question:

Is there a specific link that explains these claims in more detail, or
are we going to just have to wait? All I see is advertisement. Coming
attractions.

Well... Rossi has his blog... and so has Krivit. Guess we can call it even.

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks



Re: [Vo]:NET Says Little COP

2011-07-29 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Just a brief follow-up comment.

Browsing the front page of New Energy Times:

http://newenergytimes.com/

It's odd to me that the on-going Rossi saga still does not merit a
least a brief link here. I mean, golly! Regardless of whether one
believes in Rossi's claims or not, this isn't news?

Meanwhile, there has been a Widom-Larsen Theory Portal link for
quite some time - and I suspect there exists quite a few who beg to
differ as to the author's conclusions.

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks



Re: [Vo]:NET Says Little COP

2011-07-29 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax

At 01:27 PM 7/29/2011, Terry Blanton wrote:

http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/07/29/possible-low-or-no-levels-of-excess-heat-in-rossi-device/http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/07/29/possible-low-or-no-levels-of-excess-heat-in-rossi-device/

Our analysis shows a possible energy gain of one to two times.

end excerpt

I wonder who constitutes Our?


apparently Krivit has collected a lot of comments from people he 
considers expert. And indeed they may be.


I was actually fairly impressed by his description of his report. I'm 
looking forward to reading it.


Of course, he does his little number on the fusion thing. He writes:

One of the main reasons for their narrow interest in Pd/D systems 
was that this was simply the popular route within the field. The 
underlying basis for this popularity came from a common belief held 
by many researchers in the field that LENR processes were dominated 
by a deuterium-deuterium fusion reaction.


LENR researcher Pamela Mosier-Boss of the U.S. Navy's Space and 
Naval Warfare Systems Center in San Diego wrote to me in September 
2010 and explained her perspective.
I simply believe our data shows that hot fusion is actually 
occurring inside the lattice, Mosier-Boss wrote.


And, in fact, it does. But Krivit doesn't understand what she's 
talking about. She is talking about her neutron findings, indicating 
(rare) 14 MeV neutrons, as I recall the energy, which may indicate 
D-T reactions.


These are phenomenally rare, and give us practically no information 
about the primary reaction. The primary reaction, according to most 
theories, including W-L theory, by the way, may rarely produce some 
hot products that can then cause secondary reactions by hot fusion.


This is a shocking lack of understanding, Krivit doesn't seem to 
understand the physics. He's just thinking hot fusion is bogus and 
everything is then interpreted in line with that.


When Mosier-Boss says that hot fusion is actually occurring, she 
isn't saying that cold fusion is hot fusion. That would be 
idiotic, right? She's not saying that LENR processes are dominated 
by a deuterium-deuterium fusion reaction, she isn't even talking 
about deuterium-deuterium, as I recall. She's looking at evidence for 
classic hot fusion reactions taking place at low levels, which 
implies the presence of LENR, something to create the very high 
energies needed for hot fusion.


Krivit's whole concept of deuterium-deuterium fusion reaction fails 
to understand the breadth of the theories. There are indeed some who 
think that this reaction is still a possibility, though it obviously 
isn't as simple as two deuterons mashing together, there has to be 
involvement of Other Stuff. I'm more interested, myself, in multibody 
fusion, which includes Takahashi's Be-8 theory, which is obviously 
incomplete, or cluster fusion, involving larger bodies.


He is correct,though, that theoretical considerations made people 
think that hydrogen reactions were less likely.


Krivit has never reported thoroughly on Widom-Larsen theory, and he 
certainly hasn't reported on the problems with it! Starting with a 
lack of correspondence with the experimental data!