Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-22 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 21, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: As a double check on concepts, if you plug x=0.02856 into x/((x+(1- x)*0.0006)) then you get 0.98. That is to say, 98% of the mass of the volume expelled is water, and 2% steam - your starting

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-22 Thread Peter Gluck
OK, gentlemen, now you have a steamless- Wasser uber alles experiment too. Peter On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.netwrote: On Feb 21, 2011, at 6:50 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 02/21/2011 09:48 PM, Horace Heffner wrote: On Feb 21, 2011, at 1:40

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-22 Thread Joshua Cude
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.netwrote: That said, let's proceed on with your defined problem where 2% of the water is vaporized, i.e. the ejecta is 98% liquid by mass, 98% wet by mass. |For an input flow rate of 300 cc/min = 300 mg/min, The above

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-22 Thread Joshua Cude
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 9:27 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: As a double check on concepts, if you plug x=0.02856 into x/((x+(1-x)*0.0006)) then you get 0.98. That is to say, 98% of the mass of the volume expelled is water, and 2%

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-22 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.netwrote: I look forward to the report. This is obviously well beyond chemical if the consumables actually are H and Ni. The energy E per H is: E = (270kwh) /(0.4 g * Na / (1 gm/mol)) = 2.52x10^4 eV / H = 25 kEv per

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-22 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Joshua, Perhaps *a possibly flawed demo* would be more fair and more technical. Wishful thinking is pardonable, wishful reasoning and logic- not so. Edward de Bono says that the majority of errors are errors of perception not of logic. I am convinced that: - a) the steam was bone dry; - b)

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-22 Thread Joshua Cude
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Joshua: A few clarifications from you would be helpful... Jed wrote: You do have to trust Levi, Celani and Dufour and some other people. To which Joshua stated: Why? They were hand-picked by Rossi. Where

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-22 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:28 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Joshua, Perhaps *a possibly flawed demo* would be more fair and more technical. It was flawed in that data to prove the steam was dry was not given, the pump model was not provided, the hydrogen bottle was left

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-22 Thread Horace Heffner
This is a resend test. I sent this yesterday, but it did not show up in the archives. Something is going wrong with vortex-l. On Feb 21, 2011, at 6:50 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 02/21/2011 09:48 PM, Horace Heffner wrote: On Feb 21, 2011, at 1:40 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: On

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-22 Thread Horace Heffner
This is a resend test to see if this shows up in the archives this time. On Feb 21, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: As a double check on concepts, if you plug x=0.02856 into x/((x+(1- x)*0.0006)) then you get 0.98. That is to say, 98% of

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-21 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: The professors tested and calibrated this machine for 6 weeks. They would have discovered that it has a large hidden thermal mass. They did. It takes 30 minutes to bring the

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-21 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it is if an experiment can be easily designed to make such suspicions impossible. As would be the case here, if the claims were true. Seriously, It is nearly

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-21 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I wrote: The scientific method demands that an arbitrary limit be placed on objections. It is a matter of opinion how much proof is needed, and how many objections should be met, but you cannot leave the question

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-21 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: Gotta run. I'll catch up in 3 or 4 days. Don't take my absence as a concession. Concession to what? We are truthseekers, not competitors.

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-21 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 02/18/2011 06:56 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi, Putt putt boats draw in water which flashes into steam and is then ejected mostly as fluid. Given that the water was delivered to Rossi's device in pulses, it seems possible that it also ejected water in pulses, at least to some

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: It is silly to leave objections like this in the air, when they are so easy to answer. Just give the model of the pump. Is that so hard? The more they neglect to do that, the more justified the suspicion becomes. No, it isn't hard, but they are not

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-21 Thread Joshua Cude
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.comwrote: On 02/18/2011 06:56 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi, Putt putt boats draw in water which flashes into steam and is then ejected mostly as fluid. Given that the water was delivered to Rossi's device in pulses,

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-21 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 02/21/2011 09:41 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com mailto:joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: It is silly to leave objections like this in the air, when they are so easy to answer. Just give the model of the pump. Is that so hard? The more they neglect to

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-21 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 21, 2011, at 5:50 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: One should also bear in mind that it takes only 2% steam by mass to make up 97.5% of the expelled fluid by volume. And since the steam is created in the horizontal portion, it is forced up 50 cm of pipe through liquid, which would presumably

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-21 Thread Rich Murray
Joshua Cude still impresses me as the only adult in the class in junior high school -- very impressive clarity of comprehension, speedy assessment of essential factors, vigorous lucid communication, terse effortless pointed prose, alert compassion, as he tackles the tedious task of pointing out to

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-21 Thread Horace Heffner
This list was formed to get away from the interminable, meaningless and unproductive debate between pathological skeptics and true believers. The list was formed especially to get away from the ego feeding pathological skeptics on sci.physics.fusion that filled the bandwidth and prevented

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-21 Thread Rich Murray
As a consummate skeptic, I don't even experience an external physical reality, whether body, society, or universe... Let's say, Rich is on all levels within a virtual simulation, a Rich's life world dream... So, as always, the reality status of this very flowing moment of perception-cognition is

RE: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-21 Thread Mark Iverson
Joshua: A few clarifications from you would be helpful... Jed wrote: You do have to trust Levi, Celani and Dufour and some other people. To which Joshua stated: Why? They were hand-picked by Rossi. Where is your evidence that the scientists that were there to instrument the demo were

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-21 Thread Harry Veeder
21, 2011 1:52:20 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device This list was formed to get away from the interminable, meaningless and unproductive debate between pathological skeptics and true believers.  The list was formed especially to get away

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-21 Thread Horace Heffner
: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: michael barron mhbar...@gmail.com; Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com; Rich Murray rmfor...@comcast.net Sent: Mon, February 21, 2011 1:52:20 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-21 Thread Joshua Cude
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.netwrote: On Feb 21, 2011, at 5:50 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: One should also bear in mind that it takes only 2% steam by mass to make up 97.5% of the expelled fluid by volume. And since the steam is created in the horizontal

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-21 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 21, 2011, at 1:40 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: On Feb 21, 2011, at 5:50 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: |One should also bear in mind that it takes only 2% steam by mass to make up 97.5% of the expelled fluid by

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: As a double check on concepts, if you plug x=0.02856 into x/((x+(1-x)*0.0006)) then you get 0.98. That is to say, 98% of the mass of the volume expelled is water, and 2% steam - your starting assumptions. As a double check on this discussion,

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-21 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 02/21/2011 09:48 PM, Horace Heffner wrote: On Feb 21, 2011, at 1:40 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: On Feb 21, 2011, at 5:50 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: |One should also bear in mind that it takes only 2% steam by

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-21 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 21, 2011, at 6:50 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 02/21/2011 09:48 PM, Horace Heffner wrote: On Feb 21, 2011, at 1:40 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: On Feb 21, 2011, at 5:50 AM, Joshua Cude wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-18 Thread mixent
Hi, Putt putt boats draw in water which flashes into steam and is then ejected mostly as fluid. Given that the water was delivered to Rossi's device in pulses, it seems possible that it also ejected water in pulses, at least to some extent, as the leading edge of each pulse flashed into steam.

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: Questioned by who? For what reason? Lots of people have questioned lots of things, but there is no rational reason to doubt the flow rate. How about a commercial pump that looks exactly like the one in the picture, with a max flow rate less than

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here are a couple of additional comments from Celani: a) The NaI (Tl) gamma detector had an energy range from 25 to 2000 keV; b) Celani asked, in several public mail to Rossi, that for a conclusive SCIENTIFIC demonstration of such wonderful device, the maximum temperature of the outgoing water

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: Questioned by who? For what reason? Lots of people have questioned lots of things, but there is no rational reason to doubt the flow rate. How about a commercial pump that

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: And a good way to measure car speed is with a speedometer. But if someone claims have driven 250 mph in a chevy Volt, I'm gonna suspect the honesty first, and the speedometer second. If you suspect that Levi and the others at U. Bologna are not honest,

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: With 1 kW, you can raise the temperature of the water at 300 mL/min about 50C to give 65C or so, definitely too hot to touch. That is true, but the power was not 1 kW. It was 400 W. It was 1 kW at the beginning of the experiment, but a flow

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Peter Gluck
Peristaltic pumps of exactly this size deliver flows between a few microliters and 2000 ml/minute, depending on the ID of the tube and the number of pulses per minute. However a good report must answer in advance to all the possible (and impossible too) questions of the amateur and professional

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: With 1 kW, you can raise the temperature of the water at 300 mL/min about 50C to give 65C or so, definitely too hot to touch. That is true, but the power was not 1 kW. It

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: With 1 kW, you can raise the temperature of the water at 300 mL/min about 50C to give 65C or so, definitely too hot to touch. That is true, but the power was not 1 kW. It

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: And a good way to measure car speed is with a speedometer. But if someone claims have driven 250 mph in a chevy Volt, I'm gonna suspect the honesty first, and the speedometer

RE: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Jones Beene
Those are good points but the most important thing of all is being left unsaid: NO TIN CUP 100% of all the inventors in the past - who have tried to pull of scams have been seeking immediate funding. That is not the case with Rossi. He has funds in hand to build a MW unit, he says

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: With 1 kW, you can raise the temperature of the water at 300 mL/min about 50C to give 65C or so, definitely too hot to touch. That is true, but the power was not 1 kW. It

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck wrote: However a good report must answer in advance to all the possible (and impossible too) questions of the amateur and professional skeptics. That is impossible. Skeptics can come up with an unlimited number of skeptical objections, especially after they assume that the

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua Cude wrote: I suspect it is designed to have large thermal mass (maybe in hot oil, or even water under pressure), so that after the power is turned off, the thermal mass keeps the output at the bp for some time. That way, they can claim it is self-sustaining, even though it's just

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Peter Gluck wrote: However a good report must answer in advance to all the possible (and impossible too) questions of the amateur and professional skeptics. That is impossible. Skeptics can come up with an unlimited

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: That is not the case with Rossi. He has funds in hand to build a MW unit, he says that this plan is underway, and essentially is telling skeptics: stuff it. These are good points. They are not the same kind of evidence as Dufour feeling a hot pipe. They

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: If we are simply to trust people's claims, then what's a demo for? I do not trust Rossi's claims. I trust that Levi can read a weight scale, and that Dufour is telling me the truth when he says the pipe was too hot to tough. I trust that the power meter

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Joshua Cude wrote: I suspect it is designed to have large thermal mass (maybe in hot oil, or even water under pressure), so that after the power is turned off, the thermal mass keeps the output at the bp for some

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: I do not think this demo required any trust. But you said, if you trust... then there's no point.

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 02/17/2011 11:41 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think this demo required any trust. But you said, if you trust... then there's no point. Calm down, Joshua. Jed meant

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Charles HOPE
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.comwrote: If there *are* investors, on the other hand, then the demo is a much tougher sell, IMO, because when there's a pile of money involved, even seemingly far-fetched explanations can no longer be discarded out of hand.

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: The professors tested and calibrated this machine for 6 weeks. They would have discovered that it has a large hidden thermal mass. They did. It takes 30 minutes to bring the temperature up to the level needed to deliver water at 100C. They

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.comwrote: On 02/17/2011 11:41 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: I do not think this demo required any trust. But you said, if you trust... then there's

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it is if an experiment can be easily designed to make such suspicions impossible. As would be the case here, if the claims were true. Seriously, It is nearly impossible to design a demonstration that will eliminate all suspicions, in all people.

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 02/17/2011 03:27 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: ... I meant you do not have to trust Rossi. You do have to trust Levi, Celani and Dufour and some other people. They might be conspiring together to fool us. If they can keep a secret, it would be easy for them to fool us. I have no actual proof

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: The scientific method demands that an arbitrary limit be placed on objections. It is a matter of opinion how much proof is needed, and how many objections should be met, but you cannot leave the question undecided indefinitely. . . . In this case, I think we need to start drawing

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: Why was that?  It seems very strange. (Image of Rossi, a la Bear Gryllis, with a firesteel trying to start his fire.) firesteel.com T

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread albedo5
If we had a spectrum, we would know what it was - or more to the point, what it wasn't. I really, REALLY want a spectrum. Just one. On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.comwrote: On 02/17/2011 03:27 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: ... I meant you do not have to trust

RE: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Jones Beene
From: albedo5 If we had a spectrum, we would know what it was - or more to the point, what it wasn't. I really, REALLY want a spectrum. Just one. Hmm . could it be simply a matter of deduction ? . connect the dots with Celani being specifically the only party being disallowed,

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Charles HOPE
Also, the fact that both meters were pegged. That sounds more like an event, and less like the momentary exposure of a shielded catalyst. On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: From: albedo5 If we had a spectrum, we would know what it was - or more to the

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread albedo5
If you want a natural emitter that would do a burst that would saturate a small NaI detector, that's easy. You would have to have access to something like a Cs137 or Co60/Co57 source, or even something as common as Tc99m, but any medical imaging facility or drilling outfit would have something.

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Joshua Cude
Gotta run. I'll catch up in 3 or 4 days. Don't take my absence as a concession. JC On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it is if an experiment can be easily designed to make such suspicions impossible. As

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: Gotta run. I'll catch up in 3 or 4 days. Don't take my absence as a concession. Concession to what? We are truthseekers, not competitors. If you are an eternal septic, you will never be convinced. Albedo5 (who ran the

RE: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Jones Beene
Debbie, It is very frustrating that someone with an ID-capable detector didn't collect something. That is not a given. There could easily have been data collected but not disclosed. Celani may have been covering his tracks with what seems to be a persistent effort to explain to

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: According to Celani, observers were not allowed into the room until the experiment began to work: The device did not work at first. He and others were waiting impatiently in a room next to the room with the device. I don't think he said they

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-17 Thread Rich Murray
Jed said, Notice in the update he [ Celani ] sent to me today, he refers to this as a wonderful device. I think he is pretty much convinced it is real, despite his complaints about the test and the fact that Rossi prevented him from taking a [ gamma ] spectrum. Melich and I are also pretty much

[Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is a revised version of the message I sent the other day. Villa reported no gamma emissions or other radiation significantly above background from the Rossi device. Celani, however, said that he did detect something. Here are the details he related to me at ICCF16, from my notes, with

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-16 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 16, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Here is a revised version of the message I sent the other day. Villa reported no gamma emissions or other radiation significantly above background from the Rossi device. Celani, however, said that he did detect something. Here are the

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: Set up hot plate and adjust input to 600 W. Watt meters, combined with integrated kWh metering, can be obtained relatively cheaply. Place a covered pan on the burner until water boils. The pan lid will be too hot to touch. The steam can

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-16 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Now we hear the input power was unstable, fluctuating between 400 and 800 W, so was actually probably 600 W. Actually that is not what the power meter showed in Fig. 5 of the Levi report. That was Celani's

Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device

2011-02-16 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Also, the actual flow rate has been questioned. Questioned by who? For what reason? Lots of people have questioned lots of things, but there is no rational reason to doubt the flow rate. How about a commercial