Re: [Vo]:A preliminary look at Mizuno's air flow calorimetry spreadsheets

[Jed Rothwell]

I uploaded a revised preprint with more info on the equations.

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MizunoTpreprintob.pdf

I guess I will fix the notes in the spreadsheets. It is probably a good
exercise for me.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:A preliminary look at Mizuno's air flow calorimetry spreadsheets

[Jed Rothwell]

There was a difference between the Calibration spreadsheet and the Excess
heat one. I made them exactly the same. The results from the Excess heat
version are now now closer to Bryant's, which is derived by a different
method.

I described this in this message:

https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/5340-mizuno-publicat
ion-of-kw-cop2-excess-heat-results/?postID=70877#post70877


The sheets are here:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=11sHkudm0bSsaA4QF_Er0UahtG1
ZPAJmAJmejB6EMipY

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTcriHguOWtG
hIQmTR1f0PZamEsAjyWHHvCYvUTg74to3nDJNRdFJk5ItVZEQYguD8iWilv7s3rgqXA/pubhtml

Part of message:

 The Calibration equations were a little different from the Excess heat
equations. I have now made them exactly the same:


AP Blower/m/s

=-3.70072*EXP((AA12)/-1.37463)+3.98859


AQ Air weight/kg

=(AP12)*0.0044*(3.391*EXP(-(((E12)+(D12))*0.5+273.2)/201.26)+0.41529)


AR Wout/W

=(AQ12)*1006*(AD12)*1.26


That changes the ratio at the top of the screen to:


Input/J Output/J Out/In ratio
2,484,372 3,862,448 1.55

RE: [Vo]:A preliminary look at Mizuno's air flow calorimetry spreadsheets

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jed—

You noted: “Come to think of it, I do not recall that he has any instruments to 
do this. So I suggest you replicate the experiment and do this yourself.”

Thanks for the nice suggestion.  I did my first experiments with a spectrometer 
in 1958, but do not have the facility to do such testing anymore..

MFMP is In a good position to do the Mizuno replication with a spectrometer.  
The fuel preparation seems to be key.  I would help fund a good EM  spectrum 
analyzer for MFM,P if they do not already have access to one.

I am surprised you have not suggested this to Mizuno, given your involvement in 
the Mizuno’s efforts over the years.

There must be hundreds of such analyzers in Japan.  ‘

I have  written a request for information from a researcher knowledgeable in 
the field of emission spectroscopy for a suggestion about instruments useful 
for evaulating the energy source of  the dusty plasma heating   described in 
the Mizuno report.

Bob Cook


From: Jed Rothwell<mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 6:43 AM
To: Vortex<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:A preliminary look at Mizuno's air flow calorimetry 
spreadsheets

I wrote:

bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> 
<bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Jed noted: “”Mizuno is being 100% open! What more do you want from him?

Answer:

The EM energy spectrum he saw through his reactor’s window! And any other data 
regarding the LENR process.
he knows about.

Have you asked him for this?

Come to think of it, I do not recall that he has any instruments to do this. So 
I suggest you replicate the experiment and do this yourself.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:A preliminary look at Mizuno's air flow calorimetry spreadsheets

[Jed Rothwell]

I wrote:

bobcook39...@hotmail.com  wrote:
>
> Jed noted: “”Mizuno is being 100% open! What more do you want from him?
>>
>>
>>
>> Answer:
>>
>>
>>
>> The EM energy spectrum he saw through his reactor’s window! And any other
>> data regarding the LENR process.
>>
>> he knows about.
>>
>
> Have you asked him for this?
>

Come to think of it, I do not recall that he has any instruments to do
this. So I suggest you replicate the experiment and do this yourself.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:A preliminary look at Mizuno's air flow calorimetry spreadsheets

[Jed Rothwell]

bobcook39...@hotmail.com  wrote:

Jed noted: “”Mizuno is being 100% open! What more do you want from him?
>
>
>
> Answer:
>
>
>
> The EM energy spectrum he saw through his reactor’s window! And any other
> data regarding the LENR process.
>
> he knows about.
>

Have you asked him for this?

- Jed

RE: [Vo]:A preliminary look at Mizuno's air flow calorimetry spreadsheets

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jed noted: “”Mizuno is being 100% open! What more do you want from him?

Answer:

The EM energy spectrum he saw through his reactor’s window! And any other data 
regarding the LENR process.
he knows about.

Bob Cook

From: Jed Rothwell<mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 6:24 PM
To: Vortex<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:A preliminary look at Mizuno's air flow calorimetry 
spreadsheets

bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> 
<bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Unfortunately, Mizuno’s spread sheets regarding calorimetry inform next to 
nothing about the science of LENR.  (DARK SCIENCE IS THE IN THING AROUND THE 
WORLD.)

What does that mean? The spreadsheets are the raw data, and they show how he 
processes it. You can analyze them and decide for yourself whether he is doing 
it correctly. If he is, there is anomalous excess heat.

What else can you expect from these spreadsheets? What more information could 
they provide?

When I say these spreadsheets are the raw data, I mean that his Hewlett Packard 
data logger records data directly into them, except it is an older format. You 
are looking at the raw numbers. There is no other data and nothing more 
detailed.


MFMP is the only light on the scene. and that light .

They have not seen any excess heat. They have made no contribution, and their 
results are of no interest to anyone. They have made a brave effort and worked 
hard, and I admire them, but they have not achieved anything.


  Even the Swedish folks seem to have slipped into the darkness with their 
advocacy of open science.

Mizuno is being 100% open! What more do you want from him?

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:A preliminary look at Mizuno's air flow calorimetry spreadsheets

[Jed Rothwell]

bobcook39...@hotmail.com  wrote:

Unfortunately, Mizuno’s spread sheets regarding calorimetry inform next to
> nothing about the science of LENR.  (DARK SCIENCE IS THE IN THING AROUND
> THE WORLD.)
>

What does that mean? The spreadsheets are the raw data, and they show how
he processes it. You can analyze them and decide for yourself whether he is
doing it correctly. If he is, there is anomalous excess heat.

What else can you expect from these spreadsheets? What more information
could they provide?

When I say these spreadsheets are the raw data, I mean that his Hewlett
Packard data logger records data directly into them, except it is an older
format. You are looking at the raw numbers. There is no other data and
nothing more detailed.



> MFMP is the only light on the scene. and that light .
>

They have not seen any excess heat. They have made no contribution, and
their results are of no interest to anyone. They have made a brave effort
and worked hard, and I admire them, but they have not achieved anything.



>   Even the Swedish folks seem to have slipped into the darkness with their
> advocacy of open science.
>

Mizuno is being 100% open! What more do you want from him?

- Jed

RE: [Vo]:A preliminary look at Mizuno's air flow calorimetry spreadsheets

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Unfortunately, Mizuno’s spread sheets regarding calorimetry inform next to 
nothing about the science of LENR.  (DARK SCIENCE IS THE IN THING AROUND THE 
WORLD.)

MFMP is the only light on the scene. and that light .  Even the Swedish folks 
seem to have slipped into the darkness with their advocacy of open science.   
So  much for Nobel: He’s turning in his grave.

The Indian, Japanese  and/or Chinese  dark LENR R may be the real competition 
for Rossi, given their need for alternate safe energy sources that cannot 
produce a Fukushima  type disaster.

Bob Cook

From: Jed Rothwell<mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 11:53 AM
To: Vortex<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:A preliminary look at Mizuno's air flow calorimetry 
spreadsheets

I now have the entire 9 hours of the 120 W calibration. I have uploaded the 
spreadsheet here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTcriHguOWtGhIQmTR1f0PZamEsAjyWHHvCYvUTg74to3nDJNRdFJk5ItVZEQYguD8iWilv7s3rgqXA/pubhtml

I uploaded a graph from the Excel version here:

https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/5340-mizuno-publication-of-kw-cop2-excess-heat-results/?postID=70654#post70654

The graphs in the Google spreadsheet seemed to survive the transition better 
than last time, so I left them in the Google sheet, but the Excel graph looks 
better.

Here is the main thing. in the calibration (just uploaded) the Delta T 
temperature goes to 4.5°C and it stays there, stable. When the power is turned 
off, it falls rapidly back to zero, straight down. Under what appears to be 
identical calorimetry, with the same input power, the excess heat Delta T goes 
up to 7.5°C, and then when the power is cut, it takes longer to reach zero.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:A preliminary look at Mizuno's air flow calorimetry spreadsheets

[Jed Rothwell]

I now have the entire 9 hours of the 120 W calibration. I have uploaded the
spreadsheet here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTcriHguOWtGhIQmTR1f0PZamEsAjyWHHvCYvUTg74to3nDJNRdFJk5ItVZEQYguD8iWilv7s3rgqXA/pubhtml

I uploaded a graph from the Excel version here:

https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/5340-mizuno-publication-of-kw-cop2-excess-heat-results/?postID=70654#post70654

The graphs in the Google spreadsheet seemed to survive the transition
better than last time, so I left them in the Google sheet, but the Excel
graph looks better.

Here is the main thing. in the calibration (just uploaded) the Delta T
temperature goes to 4.5°C and it stays there, stable. When the power is
turned off, it falls rapidly back to zero, straight down. Under what
appears to be identical calorimetry, with the same input power, the excess
heat Delta T goes up to 7.5°C, and then when the power is cut, it takes
longer to reach zero.

- Jed