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I wrote: > The same is true of the robots used to move shelves in the Amazon.com > warehouses. All they do is move shelves, bringing goods to people who then > pick the goods from the shelf and put them in boxes. > Here is a video showing these machines and the people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLVCGEmkJs0 You might quibble that these are not what we think of as "robots." They are not a bit humanoid. They resemble Roombas. Webster defines robot as: ". . . a machine that looks like a human being and performs various complex acts (such as walking or talking) of a human being" By that old-fashioned definition, these are not robots. I would say they are, though, because they use camera-enabled vision, they interact with one-another, they make decisions rather than blindly repeating a set of actions, and they are autonomous. - Jed
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H LV wrote: Btw, a so called "burger flipper" isn't hired just to flip burgers. Even > if you had an unlimited budget with current technology you could not build > a robot to perform all the tasks a "burger flipper" does at a restaurant. > That is true. Engineers are still replacing one job at a time with robots of limited capacity. These robots resemble non-robotic restaurant machinery such as dish washing machines or rotisserie cookers. They are single-function machines. The same is true of the robots used to move shelves in the Amazon.com warehouses. All they do is move shelves, bringing goods to people who then pick the goods from the shelf and put them in boxes. However, I expect Amazon will soon have robots that pick the goods from the shelf and put them in boxes, eliminating people from this step. Amazon sponsors an engineering competition to develop that capability. The Amazon warehouse has a limited set of procedures, so I suppose a dozen different single-purpose robot types could probably do nearly every job. There is no need for a multipurpose humanoid robot capable of two or more jobs. In a kitchen or fast food restaurant, there are probably more different types of jobs than in the Amazon warehouse. I suppose that cracking and mixing eggs calls for different kind of robot tools and different software than, say, assembling a hamburger sandwich or scooping french fries. So, to fully automate a fast food restaurant with a small number of robot types, you would need general purpose robots with considerably more computer power and stronger artificial intelligence than today's best machines. I think such robots will inevitably be developed. In 10 or 20 years they will be cheap and widely available. - Jed
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"Memories. You are talking memories." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWPyRSURYFQ Harry On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 6:57 AM, ChemE Stewart wrote: > http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/communities/north-county/sd- > me-harmony-doll-20170913-story.html > > On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 1:12 AM H LV wrote: > >> Btw, a so called "burger flipper" isn't hired just to flip burgers. Even >> if you had an unlimited budget with current technology you could not build >> a robot to perform all the tasks a "burger flipper" does at a restaurant. >> >> Harry >> >> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 12:43 AM, H LV wrote: >> >>> Of course they are doing it to make money and they don't care if their >>> products put people out of work. The point is employers aren't going to use >>> robots in the service sector if the robots are more expensive and/or less >>> flexible than a human. I think most people on the list are unaware of how >>> subservient labour has become over the last 30 years with stagnate real >>> wage growth, the decline of unions and labour codes being rewritten to >>> allow for a more flexible workforce. >>> >>> Harry >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Jed Rothwell >>> wrote: >>> H LV wrote: > the other automation you speak off will proceed slowly as long as > social security for "working age" men and women is linked to paid > employment. > The people developing this technology are doing it to make money. They don't care whether their products put people out of work. Let me be blunt and say that I developed many software products which put people out of work. I was automating work that was previously done by people. I knew that. Everyone knew that. It did not slow us down. To be honest, it did not bother us. We did it to make money, and to save the customer money. At present, Amazon.com is taking jobs away from enormous numbers of people in retail. Far more than the total number industrial workers, or miners being put out of work by the decline in coal consumption. Retail has lost about 100,000 jobs from October 2016 to May 2017, which is more than the total number of miners. ". . . [D]epartment stores have lost 18 times more workers than coal mining since 2001." https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/the- silent-crisis-of-retail-employment/523428/ This is deeply regrettable for the people losing their jobs. I hate to think of it. I sympathize with them. I hope society can help them, and I hope they find other employment. But I am not going to stop using Amazon.com. I seldom went to malls in the past, and I am going to go to them now, out of charity. I do not see how anything can slow down this trend, and I do not think it would be a good idea to try to slow it down. Amazon.com will not do anything to "ensure security" for "working age men and women." No corporation would. Any corporation that tries would be bankrupted by the competition. That is how capitalism works. Capitalism cannot solve this problem. Society as a whole must address it. I doubt there are any clean, neat, quick or inexpensive solutions. - Jed >>> >>
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http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/communities/north-county/sd-me-harmony-doll-20170913-story.html On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 1:12 AM H LV wrote: > Btw, a so called "burger flipper" isn't hired just to flip burgers. Even > if you had an unlimited budget with current technology you could not build > a robot to perform all the tasks a "burger flipper" does at a restaurant. > > Harry > > On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 12:43 AM, H LV wrote: > >> Of course they are doing it to make money and they don't care if their >> products put people out of work. The point is employers aren't going to use >> robots in the service sector if the robots are more expensive and/or less >> flexible than a human. I think most people on the list are unaware of how >> subservient labour has become over the last 30 years with stagnate real >> wage growth, the decline of unions and labour codes being rewritten to >> allow for a more flexible workforce. >> >> Harry >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Jed Rothwell >> wrote: >> >>> H LV wrote: >>> the other automation you speak off will proceed slowly as long as social security for "working age" men and women is linked to paid employment. >>> The people developing this technology are doing it to make money. They >>> don't care whether their products put people out of work. >>> >>> Let me be blunt and say that I developed many software products which >>> put people out of work. I was automating work that was previously done by >>> people. I knew that. Everyone knew that. It did not slow us down. To be >>> honest, it did not bother us. We did it to make money, and to save the >>> customer money. >>> >>> At present, Amazon.com is taking jobs away from enormous numbers of >>> people in retail. Far more than the total number industrial workers, or >>> miners being put out of work by the decline in coal consumption. Retail has >>> lost about 100,000 jobs from October 2016 to May 2017, which is more than >>> the total number of miners. ". . . [D]epartment stores have lost 18 times >>> more workers than coal mining since 2001." >>> >>> >>> https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/the-silent-crisis-of-retail-employment/523428/ >>> >>> This is deeply regrettable for the people losing their jobs. I hate to >>> think of it. I sympathize with them. I hope society can help them, and I >>> hope they find other employment. But I am not going to stop using >>> Amazon.com. I seldom went to malls in the past, and I am going to go to >>> them now, out of charity. I do not see how anything can slow down this >>> trend, and I do not think it would be a good idea to try to slow it down. >>> Amazon.com will not do anything to "ensure security" for "working age men >>> and women." No corporation would. Any corporation that tries would be >>> bankrupted by the competition. That is how capitalism works. >>> >>> Capitalism cannot solve this problem. Society as a whole must address >>> it. I doubt there are any clean, neat, quick or inexpensive solutions. >>> >>> - Jed >>> >>> >> >
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Btw, a so called "burger flipper" isn't hired just to flip burgers. Even if you had an unlimited budget with current technology you could not build a robot to perform all the tasks a "burger flipper" does at a restaurant. Harry On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 12:43 AM, H LV wrote: > Of course they are doing it to make money and they don't care if their > products put people out of work. The point is employers aren't going to use > robots in the service sector if the robots are more expensive and/or less > flexible than a human. I think most people on the list are unaware of how > subservient labour has become over the last 30 years with stagnate real > wage growth, the decline of unions and labour codes being rewritten to > allow for a more flexible workforce. > > Harry > > > On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Jed Rothwell > wrote: > >> H LV wrote: >> >>> the other automation you speak off will proceed slowly as long as social >>> security for "working age" men and women is linked to paid employment. >>> >> The people developing this technology are doing it to make money. They >> don't care whether their products put people out of work. >> >> Let me be blunt and say that I developed many software products which put >> people out of work. I was automating work that was previously done by >> people. I knew that. Everyone knew that. It did not slow us down. To be >> honest, it did not bother us. We did it to make money, and to save the >> customer money. >> >> At present, Amazon.com is taking jobs away from enormous numbers of >> people in retail. Far more than the total number industrial workers, or >> miners being put out of work by the decline in coal consumption. Retail has >> lost about 100,000 jobs from October 2016 to May 2017, which is more than >> the total number of miners. ". . . [D]epartment stores have lost 18 times >> more workers than coal mining since 2001." >> >> https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/the-sil >> ent-crisis-of-retail-employment/523428/ >> >> This is deeply regrettable for the people losing their jobs. I hate to >> think of it. I sympathize with them. I hope society can help them, and I >> hope they find other employment. But I am not going to stop using >> Amazon.com. I seldom went to malls in the past, and I am going to go to >> them now, out of charity. I do not see how anything can slow down this >> trend, and I do not think it would be a good idea to try to slow it down. >> Amazon.com will not do anything to "ensure security" for "working age men >> and women." No corporation would. Any corporation that tries would be >> bankrupted by the competition. That is how capitalism works. >> >> Capitalism cannot solve this problem. Society as a whole must address it. >> I doubt there are any clean, neat, quick or inexpensive solutions. >> >> - Jed >> >> >
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Of course they are doing it to make money and they don't care if their products put people out of work. The point is employers aren't going to use robots in the service sector if the robots are more expensive and/or less flexible than a human. I think most people on the list are unaware of how subservient labour has become over the last 30 years with stagnate real wage growth, the decline of unions and labour codes being rewritten to allow for a more flexible workforce. Harry On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > H LV wrote: > >> the other automation you speak off will proceed slowly as long as social >> security for "working age" men and women is linked to paid employment. >> > The people developing this technology are doing it to make money. They > don't care whether their products put people out of work. > > Let me be blunt and say that I developed many software products which put > people out of work. I was automating work that was previously done by > people. I knew that. Everyone knew that. It did not slow us down. To be > honest, it did not bother us. We did it to make money, and to save the > customer money. > > At present, Amazon.com is taking jobs away from enormous numbers of people > in retail. Far more than the total number industrial workers, or miners > being put out of work by the decline in coal consumption. Retail has lost > about 100,000 jobs from October 2016 to May 2017, which is more than the > total number of miners. ". . . [D]epartment stores have lost 18 times more > workers than coal mining since 2001." > > https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/the- > silent-crisis-of-retail-employment/523428/ > > This is deeply regrettable for the people losing their jobs. I hate to > think of it. I sympathize with them. I hope society can help them, and I > hope they find other employment. But I am not going to stop using > Amazon.com. I seldom went to malls in the past, and I am going to go to > them now, out of charity. I do not see how anything can slow down this > trend, and I do not think it would be a good idea to try to slow it down. > Amazon.com will not do anything to "ensure security" for "working age men > and women." No corporation would. Any corporation that tries would be > bankrupted by the competition. That is how capitalism works. > > Capitalism cannot solve this problem. Society as a whole must address it. > I doubt there are any clean, neat, quick or inexpensive solutions. > > - Jed > >
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebanker/2017/03/07/new-robotic-solutions-for-the-warehouse/#61b391c76506 New Robotic Solutions For The Warehouse When Amazon purchased Kiva Systems in 2012, the interest in Autonomous Mobile Robots (AMRs) for the warehouse soared. For a while, Kiva, now rebranded Amazon Robotics, continued to sell robots to other companies. But, after piloting the robots in some warehouses, and figuring out the optimal way to deploy them, Amazon stopped selling robots to other companies and took everything their robotic division could produce for their own distribution centers. In some cases, humans work alongside the robots, picking goods too heavy or too small for their robots to handle. Humans pick items into a tote or totes on the robot. When the tote or totes are full, the robot carries the goods to the pack station. On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > H LV wrote: > >> the other automation you speak off will proceed slowly as long as social >> security for "working age" men and women is linked to paid employment. >> > The people developing this technology are doing it to make money. They > don't care whether their products put people out of work. > > Let me be blunt and say that I developed many software products which put > people out of work. I was automating work that was previously done by > people. I knew that. Everyone knew that. It did not slow us down. To be > honest, it did not bother us. We did it to make money, and to save the > customer money. > > At present, Amazon.com is taking jobs away from enormous numbers of people > in retail. Far more than the total number industrial workers, or miners > being put out of work by the decline in coal consumption. Retail has lost > about 100,000 jobs from October 2016 to May 2017, which is more than the > total number of miners. ". . . [D]epartment stores have lost 18 times more > workers than coal mining since 2001." > > https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/the- > silent-crisis-of-retail-employment/523428/ > > This is deeply regrettable for the people losing their jobs. I hate to > think of it. I sympathize with them. I hope society can help them, and I > hope they find other employment. But I am not going to stop using > Amazon.com. I seldom went to malls in the past, and I am going to go to > them now, out of charity. I do not see how anything can slow down this > trend, and I do not think it would be a good idea to try to slow it down. > Amazon.com will not do anything to "ensure security" for "working age men > and women." No corporation would. Any corporation that tries would be > bankrupted by the competition. That is how capitalism works. > > Capitalism cannot solve this problem. Society as a whole must address it. > I doubt there are any clean, neat, quick or inexpensive solutions. > > - Jed > >
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H LV wrote: > the other automation you speak off will proceed slowly as long as social > security for "working age" men and women is linked to paid employment. > The people developing this technology are doing it to make money. They don't care whether their products put people out of work. Let me be blunt and say that I developed many software products which put people out of work. I was automating work that was previously done by people. I knew that. Everyone knew that. It did not slow us down. To be honest, it did not bother us. We did it to make money, and to save the customer money. At present, Amazon.com is taking jobs away from enormous numbers of people in retail. Far more than the total number industrial workers, or miners being put out of work by the decline in coal consumption. Retail has lost about 100,000 jobs from October 2016 to May 2017, which is more than the total number of miners. ". . . [D]epartment stores have lost 18 times more workers than coal mining since 2001." https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/the-silent-crisis-of-retail-employment/523428/ This is deeply regrettable for the people losing their jobs. I hate to think of it. I sympathize with them. I hope society can help them, and I hope they find other employment. But I am not going to stop using Amazon.com. I seldom went to malls in the past, and I am going to go to them now, out of charity. I do not see how anything can slow down this trend, and I do not think it would be a good idea to try to slow it down. Amazon.com will not do anything to "ensure security" for "working age men and women." No corporation would. Any corporation that tries would be bankrupted by the competition. That is how capitalism works. Capitalism cannot solve this problem. Society as a whole must address it. I doubt there are any clean, neat, quick or inexpensive solutions. - Jed
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GPS is technological the backbone of self driving cars. If there were no GPS, the development of self driving cars would not have been so rapid. the other automation you speak off will proceed slowly as long as social security for "working age" men and women is linked to paid employment. Harry On Sep 18, 2017 4:22 PM, "Jed Rothwell" wrote: > Axil Axil wrote: > > https://techxplore.com/news/2017-09-burger-robots.html >> >> http://www.misorobotics.com/ >> >> Might robots prove so cost efficient and reliable that restaurant >> employers replace a significant number of workers with these robots? >> > > I say yes. I think in 10 or 20 years nearly every employee at every > restaurant will be replaced with a robot. In Japan automated sushi > restaurants are becoming popular. One of them opened in Atlanta recently. > Here is the web site and a short video advertisement showing how it works: > > http://kulausa.com/ > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWb8SSOTms8&t=59s > > There is more automation here than the video shows. You do not see the > machines that make the rice and form it into sushi, something which until > now required a skilled sushi chef. (Supposedly, it did.) > > Here is a British video showing more of the automation at this restaurant > chain: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yICVmyySHmE > > I am not a fan of sushi, but this place is fun and I thought the > (non-fish) sushi was pretty good. My daughter says it is meh. > > ANYWAY . . . > > I find the video of the burger flipping robot thought-provoking. Here are > some of the thoughts it provokes: > > This hardware is custom-designed to flip hamburgers, coupled with what I > assume is a general-purpose, vision-enabled robot, probably about as > powerful as the Baxter robot. > > A person worried about the future of employment might feel sanguine > looking at this because it seems like it is a custom solution for one > application. You would have to design another robot to lay out the buns the > way the human worker does in this video. You would have to design yet > another robot to crack eggs, and another to make salad. It seems every job > will require specialized hardware and perhaps specialized robotics and > software. You might think that it would take a long time to make all the > robots we need to run a restaurant, not to mention all the robots we need > to do housework, stock grocery store shelves, or do carpentry. > > I don't think so. I predict faster progress for two reasons. First, many > programmers and other technical experts will gain experience applying > general-purpose robots and they will soon learn how to apply them more > quickly. They will be more of these people. They will start their own > companies, branching out into new applications. They will train others, who > will train others. Second, the technology will become more general-purpose, > and less custom-designed. Even the parts which are custom-designed will be > easier to design. Once you know how to flip hamburgers, you can flip other > objects, or form pancakes, or wash lettuce. > > The situation reminds me of software in the 1970s. In the 1960s, every > company had custom-designed accounting software made specifically for that > company, often in-house. In the 1970s specialized software firms began > offering packaged accounting software that could be customized for various > industry segments. > > In the 1980s general-purpose tools and database tools became available > that made it easier to write accounting programs. Computer memory and disks > expanded by orders of magnitude. Extremely powerful accounting program such > as Peachtree software became available. This was suitable for nearly all > small businesses, and it reduced the need for industry sector specific > solutions. Accounting software for large companies is now offered by a > small number of large vendors such as Oracle and SAP: > > http://www.softwareadvice.com/accounting/ > > Few companies develop accounting programs in-house. > > The other reason I predict faster progress is because people are > developing self-driving cars, which is one of the most difficult > applications. Tremendous progress has been made in this. Much more than I > predicted a few years ago. This is one of the most difficult jobs that can > be done by a robot. If it is done wrong, people will be killed and > tremendous liabilities will be incurred. It seems odd that corporations > would start with such a dangerous and critical application. You might think > they would start by making robots that fold sheets and flip hamburgers, or > do other jobs that cannot accidentally kill someone. They are concentrating > on self-driving cars because the market is gigantic, the potential profits > are gigantic, and the penalty for getting left behind by competition and > rapid bankruptcy. > > There is no longer any question that the technology works and it is safer > than human-driven cars. All automakers are frantically developing this >
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Axil Axil wrote: https://techxplore.com/news/2017-09-burger-robots.html > > http://www.misorobotics.com/ > > Might robots prove so cost efficient and reliable that restaurant > employers replace a significant number of workers with these robots? > I say yes. I think in 10 or 20 years nearly every employee at every restaurant will be replaced with a robot. In Japan automated sushi restaurants are becoming popular. One of them opened in Atlanta recently. Here is the web site and a short video advertisement showing how it works: http://kulausa.com/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWb8SSOTms8&t=59s There is more automation here than the video shows. You do not see the machines that make the rice and form it into sushi, something which until now required a skilled sushi chef. (Supposedly, it did.) Here is a British video showing more of the automation at this restaurant chain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yICVmyySHmE I am not a fan of sushi, but this place is fun and I thought the (non-fish) sushi was pretty good. My daughter says it is meh. ANYWAY . . . I find the video of the burger flipping robot thought-provoking. Here are some of the thoughts it provokes: This hardware is custom-designed to flip hamburgers, coupled with what I assume is a general-purpose, vision-enabled robot, probably about as powerful as the Baxter robot. A person worried about the future of employment might feel sanguine looking at this because it seems like it is a custom solution for one application. You would have to design another robot to lay out the buns the way the human worker does in this video. You would have to design yet another robot to crack eggs, and another to make salad. It seems every job will require specialized hardware and perhaps specialized robotics and software. You might think that it would take a long time to make all the robots we need to run a restaurant, not to mention all the robots we need to do housework, stock grocery store shelves, or do carpentry. I don't think so. I predict faster progress for two reasons. First, many programmers and other technical experts will gain experience applying general-purpose robots and they will soon learn how to apply them more quickly. They will be more of these people. They will start their own companies, branching out into new applications. They will train others, who will train others. Second, the technology will become more general-purpose, and less custom-designed. Even the parts which are custom-designed will be easier to design. Once you know how to flip hamburgers, you can flip other objects, or form pancakes, or wash lettuce. The situation reminds me of software in the 1970s. In the 1960s, every company had custom-designed accounting software made specifically for that company, often in-house. In the 1970s specialized software firms began offering packaged accounting software that could be customized for various industry segments. In the 1980s general-purpose tools and database tools became available that made it easier to write accounting programs. Computer memory and disks expanded by orders of magnitude. Extremely powerful accounting program such as Peachtree software became available. This was suitable for nearly all small businesses, and it reduced the need for industry sector specific solutions. Accounting software for large companies is now offered by a small number of large vendors such as Oracle and SAP: http://www.softwareadvice.com/accounting/ Few companies develop accounting programs in-house. The other reason I predict faster progress is because people are developing self-driving cars, which is one of the most difficult applications. Tremendous progress has been made in this. Much more than I predicted a few years ago. This is one of the most difficult jobs that can be done by a robot. If it is done wrong, people will be killed and tremendous liabilities will be incurred. It seems odd that corporations would start with such a dangerous and critical application. You might think they would start by making robots that fold sheets and flip hamburgers, or do other jobs that cannot accidentally kill someone. They are concentrating on self-driving cars because the market is gigantic, the potential profits are gigantic, and the penalty for getting left behind by competition and rapid bankruptcy. There is no longer any question that the technology works and it is safer than human-driven cars. All automakers are frantically developing this because if they do not they will not survive another 20 years. My guess is that once you develop robots that can drive safely, developing robots to crack eggs or fold sheets will be easy in comparison. A whole generation of robotic engineers and programmers will cut their teeth learning how to make self-driving cars. They will soon be making other things. This is similar to what happened when people developed the MIT whirlwind project, Princeton's AIS computer, the IBM stretch computer and the IBM 36
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No social organization will long survive if the elites of that organization do not care for the welfare of the general membership; a case in point...the protestant reformation. https://docs.google.com/a/tilburguniversity.edu/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxtYWxpa2N1cnVrfGd4OjUwMWYwNTkzMGM1MDcxNjE On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 11:54 PM, Che wrote: > > I've already explained here that further capitalist technological > development -- including that of any 'OU' & 'Cold Fusion' discoveries -- is > incompatible with the democratic and healthy further development of Human > society (howevermuch capitalism, in the Past, freed Humanity from the > clutches of feudal and pre-feudal obscurantism and squalor). However, all I > really ever get in response on this e-list is the usual know-nothing, > knee-jerk anti-communist bilgewater... So of course, the actual logic of > capital accumulation remains essentially unexamined by most of you (as is > the intention of some, here); and this innate, scientifically-examinable, > historically-determined, social-economic development has remained a closed > book to most of you your ENTIRE lives: because you have uncritically > accepted a certain political-economic mental conditioning as being good, > honest coin. Which it AIN'T. > > Short answer: the capitalist development of technology essentially > ENSLAVES the working-class: by its very logic, in its very essence. The > socialist/communist development of the EXACT SAME technology OTOH, will do > the EXACT OPPOSITE (once we are freed of World-wide capitalist sabotage): > it will in fact FREE Humanity, forever, from the clutches of class > exploitation. > > QED > > > You want your 'Star Trek' Future..? Embrace Socialism -- or likely surely > die in the latest, up-coming periodic capitalist conflagration, which will > be called 'WWIII' (By somebody... Somewhere... Sometime... if not us.) > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 2:09 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > >> https://techxplore.com/news/2017-09-burger-robots.html >> >> http://www.misorobotics.com/ >> >> Might robots prove so cost efficient and reliable that restaurant >> employers replace a significant number of workers with these robots? >> > >
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I've already explained here that further capitalist technological development -- including that of any 'OU' & 'Cold Fusion' discoveries -- is incompatible with the democratic and healthy further development of Human society (howevermuch capitalism, in the Past, freed Humanity from the clutches of feudal and pre-feudal obscurantism and squalor). However, all I really ever get in response on this e-list is the usual know-nothing, knee-jerk anti-communist bilgewater... So of course, the actual logic of capital accumulation remains essentially unexamined by most of you (as is the intention of some, here); and this innate, scientifically-examinable, historically-determined, social-economic development has remained a closed book to most of you your ENTIRE lives: because you have uncritically accepted a certain political-economic mental conditioning as being good, honest coin. Which it AIN'T. Short answer: the capitalist development of technology essentially ENSLAVES the working-class: by its very logic, in its very essence. The socialist/communist development of the EXACT SAME technology OTOH, will do the EXACT OPPOSITE (once we are freed of World-wide capitalist sabotage): it will in fact FREE Humanity, forever, from the clutches of class exploitation. QED You want your 'Star Trek' Future..? Embrace Socialism -- or likely surely die in the latest, up-coming periodic capitalist conflagration, which will be called 'WWIII' (By somebody... Somewhere... Sometime... if not us.) On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 2:09 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > https://techxplore.com/news/2017-09-burger-robots.html > > http://www.misorobotics.com/ > > Might robots prove so cost efficient and reliable that restaurant > employers replace a significant number of workers with these robots? >
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Ah yes, but there is a small downside to “cost efficient” and “reliable” – Here is the “iMom”, possibly the successor to Alexa, coming to Amazon real soon … once a few bugs get worked out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hSPKsBZkME You may never want to order chicken again From: Axil Axil http://www.misorobotics.com/ Might robots prove so cost efficient and reliable that restaurant employers replace a significant number of workers with these robots?
