RE: [Vo]:LENR was discovered in 1982/1983 (if not before)

2018-07-13 Thread russ.george
Cold fusion is clearly composed of myriad forms that are seen on a continuum from the room temperature wet reactions Fleischmann and Pons revealed, to modestly to very hot dry reactions of many other researchers. Fleischmann made it clear that his wet room temperature fusion rates were greatly

RE: [Vo]:LENR was discovered in 1982/1983 (if not before)

2018-07-12 Thread JonesBeene
Hi Robin, Your post makes me think that we would be facing a terrible crisis (in terms of nuclear terrorism) if it turns out that Mills, Holmlid and now Glass are accurate. There could be a form of UHW – or “ultra heavy water” which is composed of oxygen and dense deuterium so that the

Re: [Vo]:LENR was discovered in 1982/1983 (if not before)

2018-07-12 Thread mixent
In reply to Bob Higgins's message of Thu, 12 Jul 2018 11:43:11 -0600: Hi, [snip] >radioactive waste (admittedly shorter half life). Also what is being >turned into waste and having to be replaced will be expensive machinery. >The energetic neutrons will make hot fusion energy expensive. Use

Re: [Vo]:LENR was discovered in 1982/1983 (if not before)

2018-07-12 Thread mixent
In reply to JonesBeene's message of Thu, 12 Jul 2018 07:28:47 -0700: Hi, [snip] >A high resolution scintillator-detection system measured the neutrons and >y-rays resulting from the fusion of deuterium. “Several approaches were used >to initiate fusion in deuterium. >The simplest and most

Re: [Vo]:LENR was discovered in 1982/1983 (if not before)

2018-07-12 Thread Nigel Dyer
Before I think. Nine years ago I was on a walk organised by our Church and got chatting to an elderly gentleman who I had not spoken to before. We got to talking about LENR as I had just started getting involved.  He told me that during the second world war he was involved in developing

RE: [Vo]:LENR was discovered in 1982/1983 (if not before)

2018-07-12 Thread JonesBeene
Bob, OK but to restate the obvious, there is no possible resolution on these issues based on the limited information we have now. The neglected points that makes this earlier work by the Toronto team important today are 1) Good evidence, if not proof, that deuterium will fuse using only

Re: [Vo]:LENR was discovered in 1982/1983 (if not before)

2018-07-12 Thread Bob Higgins
But Jones, That's not what I said (I don't think). What I was trying to get at was: Hot fusion = Almost *all* of the fusion energy is delivered in the form of neutron kinetic energy + energetic gamma energy Cold fusion = Almost *none* (lets say < 1E-6) of the fusion energy recorded is

RE: [Vo]:LENR was discovered in 1982/1983 (if not before)

2018-07-12 Thread JonesBeene
Bob, Well, given that there are claims of small amounts of neutrons and gammas in cold fusion by a number of reputable experiments, one cannot arbitrarily define the reaction as being neutron-free or gamma free. From: Bob Higgins Jones -  No, not humor.  Lack of neutrons and gamma has been

Re: [Vo]:LENR was discovered in 1982/1983 (if not before)

2018-07-12 Thread Bob Higgins
Jones - No, not humor. Lack of neutrons and gamma has been -a- defining difference between hot fusion and cold fusion. In hot fusion the energy is taken away by neutrons and gamma almost exclusively. In cold fusion, there are no neutrons and gamma commensurate with heat production (or dead

RE: [Vo]:LENR was discovered in 1982/1983 (if not before)

2018-07-12 Thread JonesBeene
Bob, Did you mean that as humor? It would be almost “pathological” to define cold fusion in such a way as to exclude the known outputs of nuclear fusion in general. In fact, in terms of the applied heat, palladium fusion at 2 volts has the equivalent input temperature of 20,000°K per atom of

Re: [Vo]:LENR was discovered in 1982/1983 (if not before)

2018-07-12 Thread Bob Higgins
But, Jones, Is it LENR if it produces neutrons and gamma? On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 8:28 AM, JonesBeene wrote: > > > And this wasn’t “fracto-fusion” which has been disputed, nor was it the > Farnsworth Fusor (1964) which was labeled as “warm fusion” (ICE). > > > > As we now know, LENR driven