Re: [Vo]:LION experiments

2018-02-18 Thread Brian Ahern 
The melting results from high temperatures,

The rate of the chemical reactions determine the top temperature in many cases.


Fe + O2 ->  Fe2O3

I a hand warmer several grams last 8 hours with a top temperature of 35 C

In a thermite reaction that may exceed 3000 C!


From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com <bobcook39...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 4:33 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:LION experiments


If careful analysis of the melted quartz has not be accomplished, it should be. 
 In addition, the source of the miasma should be identified if possible.  It 
may have come from sulfur in some electrical insulation.  Organic sulfur gases 
cabe very bas smelling—like a miasma.



Bob Cook



From: Russ<mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 7:56 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: RE: [Vo]:LION experiments



Clearly the stainless steel parts in said tube furnaces have not ‘combusted’ in 
spite of being in air at 1000 C for 48 hours or more. Speaking of oxygen is 
fruitless as noone of the experiments is conducted in other than air.



The kanthal wire that is the heater is well characterized as having aluminium 
that migrates to the surface and forms a protective oxide. When that oxide is 
disturbed, as in scratched off during handling, it leads to oxidation of the 
rest of the kanthal metal and failure. Undisturbed the kanthal seems durable at 
1000 C in air.



There is plenty of utility in examining the witness temperatures of various 
materials melting and oxidation effects.







From: Brian Ahern [mailto:ahern_br...@msn.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 3:45 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:LION experiments



Melting points are irrelevant. Stainless steel combusts at 1,000C in oxygen.  
Tungsten combusts to WOx at 800C

Iron powder slowly oxidizes at room temperature in handwarmers.



The combustion can be extremely rapid and high temperature in the case of 
thermite reactions.



From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 4:47 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:LION experiments



I wonder if "the  fervent practice of conflation" means that the fusion meme 
that has been the mainstay of LENR theory for so long should now be retooled to 
somehow  fit into an as of yet unfathomable  understanding of the LION reactor 
meltdown. Russ is among those who are clearly confused by the LION reactor 
meltdown. Here is his analysis as follows:



Melting Miasma - The intact Kanthal wire is a witness to the temperature not 
reaching the melting point of kanthal which is listed as being 1500 C. The 
alumina block melts above 2000 C, the quartz melts at just under 1700 C. So if 
the quartz melted likely the kanthal which was in contact with the quartz might 
be expected to melt, not seen. Surely the alumina foam which was outside of the 
quartz melting at 2000 C would not 'melt' without the intervening kanthal 
showing melting which would occur at 1500 C. If during the oxidation of the 
copper that is clearly apparent, that very hot copper oxidation process was 
capable of perhaps breaking the quartz and that copper oxide invaded the 
surrounding materials it might well have bonding with all. Copper oxide melts 
at 1326 C. Copper melts at 1085 C. Nickel melts at 1455 C, don't forget the 
tiny 2.5 mm diameter 10 micron thick nickel pads with the diamonds attached to 
them that are the purported fuel are clearly seen and did NOT melt. Nor did the 
stainless steel bolt that plugged the reactor tube, stainless steels melt 
between 1400-1500 C depending on the alloy.

All theses known materials and melting points bear witness to many temperatures 
that might have been reached in the hot 'reaction' zone. In the 'dummy' test 
runs conducted at Alan's, the maker of the tube furnace test bed, at 1000 C. in 
these dummy runs without any anomalous fuels, aka the nickel diamond discs, the 
aggressive hot chemistry of the copper oxide and is very clearly seen. It has 
fused/bonded itself to the quartz for example. The silver foil that underlaid 
the copper wire winding at the distal end has a melting point 961 C, is 
apparent this temperature was reached as the silver appears to have moved by 
capillary action into the copper/copper oxide material and also appears to have 
been an effective brazing metal on the quartz, something it is known to do in 
common practice when making metal seals on quartz lab wear. All, or almost all, 
the copper was converted to copper oxide at 1000 C, this was not the case in a 
duplicate test at 800 C where considerable of the copper wire remained as metal 
though it was oxidized on the surface. The replication with power and thermal 
data may tell the tale, patience is going to be required before we might make 
sense of this miasma. Hopefully no one reports seeing the 'face of J

RE: [Vo]:LION experiments

2018-02-18 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com 
If careful analysis of the melted quartz has not be accomplished, it should be. 
 In addition, the source of the miasma should be identified if possible.  It 
may have come from sulfur in some electrical insulation.  Organic sulfur gases 
cabe very bas smelling—like a miasma.

Bob Cook

From: Russ<mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 7:56 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: RE: [Vo]:LION experiments

Clearly the stainless steel parts in said tube furnaces have not ‘combusted’ in 
spite of being in air at 1000 C for 48 hours or more. Speaking of oxygen is 
fruitless as noone of the experiments is conducted in other than air.

The kanthal wire that is the heater is well characterized as having aluminium 
that migrates to the surface and forms a protective oxide. When that oxide is 
disturbed, as in scratched off during handling, it leads to oxidation of the 
rest of the kanthal metal and failure. Undisturbed the kanthal seems durable at 
1000 C in air.

There is plenty of utility in examining the witness temperatures of various 
materials melting and oxidation effects.



From: Brian Ahern [mailto:ahern_br...@msn.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 3:45 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:LION experiments


Melting points are irrelevant. Stainless steel combusts at 1,000C in oxygen.  
Tungsten combusts to WOx at 800C
Iron powder slowly oxidizes at room temperature in handwarmers.

The combustion can be extremely rapid and high temperature in the case of 
thermite reactions.

From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 4:47 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:LION experiments

I wonder if "the  fervent practice of conflation" means that the fusion meme 
that has been the mainstay of LENR theory for so long should now be retooled to 
somehow  fit into an as of yet unfathomable  understanding of the LION reactor 
meltdown. Russ is among those who are clearly confused by the LION reactor 
meltdown. Here is his analysis as follows:


Melting Miasma - The intact Kanthal wire is a witness to the temperature not 
reaching the melting point of kanthal which is listed as being 1500 C. The 
alumina block melts above 2000 C, the quartz melts at just under 1700 C. So if 
the quartz melted likely the kanthal which was in contact with the quartz might 
be expected to melt, not seen. Surely the alumina foam which was outside of the 
quartz melting at 2000 C would not 'melt' without the intervening kanthal 
showing melting which would occur at 1500 C. If during the oxidation of the 
copper that is clearly apparent, that very hot copper oxidation process was 
capable of perhaps breaking the quartz and that copper oxide invaded the 
surrounding materials it might well have bonding with all. Copper oxide melts 
at 1326 C. Copper melts at 1085 C. Nickel melts at 1455 C, don't forget the 
tiny 2.5 mm diameter 10 micron thick nickel pads with the diamonds attached to 
them that are the purported fuel are clearly seen and did NOT melt. Nor did the 
stainless steel bolt that plugged the reactor tube, stainless steels melt 
between 1400-1500 C depending on the alloy.

All theses known materials and melting points bear witness to many temperatures 
that might have been reached in the hot 'reaction' zone. In the 'dummy' test 
runs conducted at Alan's, the maker of the tube furnace test bed, at 1000 C. in 
these dummy runs without any anomalous fuels, aka the nickel diamond discs, the 
aggressive hot chemistry of the copper oxide and is very clearly seen. It has 
fused/bonded itself to the quartz for example. The silver foil that underlaid 
the copper wire winding at the distal end has a melting point 961 C, is 
apparent this temperature was reached as the silver appears to have moved by 
capillary action into the copper/copper oxide material and also appears to have 
been an effective brazing metal on the quartz, something it is known to do in 
common practice when making metal seals on quartz lab wear. All, or almost all, 
the copper was converted to copper oxide at 1000 C, this was not the case in a 
duplicate test at 800 C where considerable of the copper wire remained as metal 
though it was oxidized on the surface. The replication with power and thermal 
data may tell the tale, patience is going to be required before we might make 
sense of this miasma. Hopefully no one reports seeing the 'face of Jesus' in 
the miasma before the replication and more extensive data is in hand, that 
would really confuse matters.


On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Russ 
<russ.geo...@gmail.com<mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

What’s to discuss other than perhaps something about the diagnostic incite 
offered by fervent practice of conflation.



From: Alberto De Souza 
[mailto:alberto.investi...@gmail.com<mailto:alberto.investi...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Saturday, February 17,

RE: [Vo]:LION experiments

2018-02-18 Thread Russ 
Clearly the stainless steel parts in said tube furnaces have not 'combusted'
in spite of being in air at 1000 C for 48 hours or more. Speaking of oxygen
is fruitless as noone of the experiments is conducted in other than air. 

 

The kanthal wire that is the heater is well characterized as having
aluminium that migrates to the surface and forms a protective oxide. When
that oxide is disturbed, as in scratched off during handling, it leads to
oxidation of the rest of the kanthal metal and failure. Undisturbed the
kanthal seems durable at 1000 C in air.

 

There is plenty of utility in examining the witness temperatures of various
materials melting and oxidation effects. 

 

 

 

From: Brian Ahern [mailto:ahern_br...@msn.com] 
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 3:45 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:LION experiments

 

Melting points are irrelevant. Stainless steel combusts at 1,000C in oxygen.
Tungsten combusts to WOx at 800C

Iron powder slowly oxidizes at room temperature in handwarmers. 

 

The combustion can be extremely rapid and high temperature in the case of
thermite reactions.

  _  

From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com <mailto:janap...@gmail.com> >
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 4:47 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:LION experiments 

 

I wonder if "the  fervent practice of conflation" means that the fusion meme
that has been the mainstay of LENR theory for so long should now be retooled
to somehow  fit into an as of yet unfathomable  understanding of the LION
reactor meltdown. Russ is among those who are clearly confused by the LION
reactor meltdown. Here is his analysis as follows: 

 

Melting Miasma - The intact Kanthal wire is a witness to the temperature not
reaching the melting point of kanthal which is listed as being 1500 C. The
alumina block melts above 2000 C, the quartz melts at just under 1700 C. So
if the quartz melted likely the kanthal which was in contact with the quartz
might be expected to melt, not seen. Surely the alumina foam which was
outside of the quartz melting at 2000 C would not 'melt' without the
intervening kanthal showing melting which would occur at 1500 C. If during
the oxidation of the copper that is clearly apparent, that very hot copper
oxidation process was capable of perhaps breaking the quartz and that copper
oxide invaded the surrounding materials it might well have bonding with all.
Copper oxide melts at 1326 C. Copper melts at 1085 C. Nickel melts at 1455
C, don't forget the tiny 2.5 mm diameter 10 micron thick nickel pads with
the diamonds attached to them that are the purported fuel are clearly seen
and did NOT melt. Nor did the stainless steel bolt that plugged the reactor
tube, stainless steels melt between 1400-1500 C depending on the alloy.

All theses known materials and melting points bear witness to many
temperatures that might have been reached in the hot 'reaction' zone. In the
'dummy' test runs conducted at Alan's, the maker of the tube furnace test
bed, at 1000 C. in these dummy runs without any anomalous fuels, aka the
nickel diamond discs, the aggressive hot chemistry of the copper oxide and
is very clearly seen. It has fused/bonded itself to the quartz for example.
The silver foil that underlaid the copper wire winding at the distal end has
a melting point 961 C, is apparent this temperature was reached as the
silver appears to have moved by capillary action into the copper/copper
oxide material and also appears to have been an effective brazing metal on
the quartz, something it is known to do in common practice when making metal
seals on quartz lab wear. All, or almost all, the copper was converted to
copper oxide at 1000 C, this was not the case in a duplicate test at 800 C
where considerable of the copper wire remained as metal though it was
oxidized on the surface. The replication with power and thermal data may
tell the tale, patience is going to be required before we might make sense
of this miasma. Hopefully no one reports seeing the 'face of Jesus' in the
miasma before the replication and more extensive data is in hand, that would
really confuse matters.

 

 

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Russ <russ.geo...@gmail.com
<mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

What's to discuss other than perhaps something about the diagnostic incite
offered by fervent practice of conflation.

 

From: Alberto De Souza [mailto:alberto.investi...@gmail.com
<mailto:alberto.investi...@gmail.com> ] 
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 2:57 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> 
Subject: [Vo]:LION experiments

 

This forum is rather silent about the LION experiments, currently being
examined by MFMP... Anyone care to comment?

https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/5518-mfmp-lfh-lion2-100-replication-
well-beyond-lion1/?postID=81031#post81031
<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lenr-
forum.com%2Fforum%2Fthread%2F5518-mfm

Re: [Vo]:LION experiments

2018-02-18 Thread Brian Ahern 
Melting points are irrelevant. Stainless steel combusts at 1,000C in oxygen.  
Tungsten combusts to WOx at 800C

Iron powder slowly oxidizes at room temperature in handwarmers.

The combustion can be extremely rapid and high temperature in the case of 
thermite reactions.


From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 4:47 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:LION experiments

I wonder if "the  fervent practice of conflation" means that the fusion meme 
that has been the mainstay of LENR theory for so long should now be retooled to 
somehow  fit into an as of yet unfathomable  understanding of the LION reactor 
meltdown. Russ is among those who are clearly confused by the LION reactor 
meltdown. Here is his analysis as follows:


Melting Miasma - The intact Kanthal wire is a witness to the temperature not 
reaching the melting point of kanthal which is listed as being 1500 C. The 
alumina block melts above 2000 C, the quartz melts at just under 1700 C. So if 
the quartz melted likely the kanthal which was in contact with the quartz might 
be expected to melt, not seen. Surely the alumina foam which was outside of the 
quartz melting at 2000 C would not 'melt' without the intervening kanthal 
showing melting which would occur at 1500 C. If during the oxidation of the 
copper that is clearly apparent, that very hot copper oxidation process was 
capable of perhaps breaking the quartz and that copper oxide invaded the 
surrounding materials it might well have bonding with all. Copper oxide melts 
at 1326 C. Copper melts at 1085 C. Nickel melts at 1455 C, don't forget the 
tiny 2.5 mm diameter 10 micron thick nickel pads with the diamonds attached to 
them that are the purported fuel are clearly seen and did NOT melt. Nor did the 
stainless steel bolt that plugged the reactor tube, stainless steels melt 
between 1400-1500 C depending on the alloy.

All theses known materials and melting points bear witness to many temperatures 
that might have been reached in the hot 'reaction' zone. In the 'dummy' test 
runs conducted at Alan's, the maker of the tube furnace test bed, at 1000 C. in 
these dummy runs without any anomalous fuels, aka the nickel diamond discs, the 
aggressive hot chemistry of the copper oxide and is very clearly seen. It has 
fused/bonded itself to the quartz for example. The silver foil that underlaid 
the copper wire winding at the distal end has a melting point 961 C, is 
apparent this temperature was reached as the silver appears to have moved by 
capillary action into the copper/copper oxide material and also appears to have 
been an effective brazing metal on the quartz, something it is known to do in 
common practice when making metal seals on quartz lab wear. All, or almost all, 
the copper was converted to copper oxide at 1000 C, this was not the case in a 
duplicate test at 800 C where considerable of the copper wire remained as metal 
though it was oxidized on the surface. The replication with power and thermal 
data may tell the tale, patience is going to be required before we might make 
sense of this miasma. Hopefully no one reports seeing the 'face of Jesus' in 
the miasma before the replication and more extensive data is in hand, that 
would really confuse matters.


On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Russ 
<russ.geo...@gmail.com<mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

What’s to discuss other than perhaps something about the diagnostic incite 
offered by fervent practice of conflation.



From: Alberto De Souza 
[mailto:alberto.investi...@gmail.com<mailto:alberto.investi...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 2:57 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: [Vo]:LION experiments



This forum is rather silent about the LION experiments, currently being 
examined by MFMP... Anyone care to comment?

https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/5518-mfmp-lfh-lion2-100-replication-well-beyond-lion1/?postID=81031#post81031<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lenr-forum.com%2Fforum%2Fthread%2F5518-mfmp-lfh-lion2-100-replication-well-beyond-lion1%2F%3FpostID%3D81031%23post81031=02%7C01%7C%7C4b539d9dad714b8f3e1508d5765005c8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636545008420803085=jLJNo1PyiPYJ4dPHKUMSte6Tt5WewyaP0wuqJZm53e4%3D=0>

RE: [Vo]:LION experiments

2018-02-18 Thread Russ 
Indeed I am confused by the Lion which is why I am helping perform some careful 
control experiments to sort it all out. Looking first of course to hot copper 
oxide chemistry as the obvious factor that is clearly engaged. Cooked and now 
cooking are quite a number of close approximations of the Lion device and 
conditions, all sans the fusion fuel. Soon some fuelled replications will be in 
the ‘easy bake oven’… The lonely overstuffed arm chair has been jilted for the 
slimmer lab stool.  There are  sound cold fusion paths in these very hot 
deuterated environs where the elusive aspects of atom-ecology can be studied. 
Stay tuned as the data will soon be able to speak for itself rather than being 
represented by the soothsayers and tea leave readers. 

 

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 9:47 PM
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:LION experiments

 

I wonder if "the  fervent practice of conflation" means that the fusion meme 
that has been the mainstay of LENR theory for so long should now be retooled to 
somehow  fit into an as of yet unfathomable  understanding of the LION reactor 
meltdown. Russ is among those who are clearly confused by the LION reactor 
meltdown. Here is his analysis as follows:

 

Melting Miasma - The intact Kanthal wire is a witness to the temperature not 
reaching the melting point of kanthal which is listed as being 1500 C. The 
alumina block melts above 2000 C, the quartz melts at just under 1700 C. So if 
the quartz melted likely the kanthal which was in contact with the quartz might 
be expected to melt, not seen. Surely the alumina foam which was outside of the 
quartz melting at 2000 C would not 'melt' without the intervening kanthal 
showing melting which would occur at 1500 C. If during the oxidation of the 
copper that is clearly apparent, that very hot copper oxidation process was 
capable of perhaps breaking the quartz and that copper oxide invaded the 
surrounding materials it might well have bonding with all. Copper oxide melts 
at 1326 C. Copper melts at 1085 C. Nickel melts at 1455 C, don't forget the 
tiny 2.5 mm diameter 10 micron thick nickel pads with the diamonds attached to 
them that are the purported fuel are clearly seen and did NOT melt. Nor did the 
stainless steel bolt that plugged the reactor tube, stainless steels melt 
between 1400-1500 C depending on the alloy.

All theses known materials and melting points bear witness to many temperatures 
that might have been reached in the hot 'reaction' zone. In the 'dummy' test 
runs conducted at Alan's, the maker of the tube furnace test bed, at 1000 C. in 
these dummy runs without any anomalous fuels, aka the nickel diamond discs, the 
aggressive hot chemistry of the copper oxide and is very clearly seen. It has 
fused/bonded itself to the quartz for example. The silver foil that underlaid 
the copper wire winding at the distal end has a melting point 961 C, is 
apparent this temperature was reached as the silver appears to have moved by 
capillary action into the copper/copper oxide material and also appears to have 
been an effective brazing metal on the quartz, something it is known to do in 
common practice when making metal seals on quartz lab wear. All, or almost all, 
the copper was converted to copper oxide at 1000 C, this was not the case in a 
duplicate test at 800 C where considerable of the copper wire remained as metal 
though it was oxidized on the surface. The replication with power and thermal 
data may tell the tale, patience is going to be required before we might make 
sense of this miasma. Hopefully no one reports seeing the 'face of Jesus' in 
the miasma before the replication and more extensive data is in hand, that 
would really confuse matters.

 

 

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Russ <russ.geo...@gmail.com 
<mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

What’s to discuss other than perhaps something about the diagnostic incite 
offered by fervent practice of conflation.

 

From: Alberto De Souza [mailto:alberto.investi...@gmail.com 
<mailto:alberto.investi...@gmail.com> ] 
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 2:57 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> 
Subject: [Vo]:LION experiments

 

This forum is rather silent about the LION experiments, currently being 
examined by MFMP... Anyone care to comment?

https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/5518-mfmp-lfh-lion2-100-replication-well-beyond-lion1/?postID=81031#post81031

RE: [Vo]:LION experiments

2018-02-17 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com 
Based on Axil’s description if the LION reactor partial melting,  I would guess 
that the quartz structure absorbed some copper (or silver)  as the copper 
melted and this reduced the melting point of the new quartz/metallic glass.  
The metal and ceramic structures were not affected by the copper and silver  
available at 1000 C.

Bob Cook

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Axil Axil<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 1:47 PM
To: vortex-l<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:LION experiments

I wonder if "the  fervent practice of conflation" means that the fusion meme 
that has been the mainstay of LENR theory for so long should now be retooled to 
somehow  fit into an as of yet unfathomable  understanding of the LION reactor 
meltdown. Russ is among those who are clearly confused by the LION reactor 
meltdown. Here is his analysis as follows:


Melting Miasma - The intact Kanthal wire is a witness to the temperature not 
reaching the melting point of kanthal which is listed as being 1500 C. The 
alumina block melts above 2000 C, the quartz melts at just under 1700 C. So if 
the quartz melted likely the kanthal which was in contact with the quartz might 
be expected to melt, not seen. Surely the alumina foam which was outside of the 
quartz melting at 2000 C would not 'melt' without the intervening kanthal 
showing melting which would occur at 1500 C. If during the oxidation of the 
copper that is clearly apparent, that very hot copper oxidation process was 
capable of perhaps breaking the quartz and that copper oxide invaded the 
surrounding materials it might well have bonding with all. Copper oxide melts 
at 1326 C. Copper melts at 1085 C. Nickel melts at 1455 C, don't forget the 
tiny 2.5 mm diameter 10 micron thick nickel pads with the diamonds attached to 
them that are the purported fuel are clearly seen and did NOT melt. Nor did the 
stainless steel bolt that plugged the reactor tube, stainless steels melt 
between 1400-1500 C depending on the alloy.

All theses known materials and melting points bear witness to many temperatures 
that might have been reached in the hot 'reaction' zone. In the 'dummy' test 
runs conducted at Alan's, the maker of the tube furnace test bed, at 1000 C. in 
these dummy runs without any anomalous fuels, aka the nickel diamond discs, the 
aggressive hot chemistry of the copper oxide and is very clearly seen. It has 
fused/bonded itself to the quartz for example. The silver foil that underlaid 
the copper wire winding at the distal end has a melting point 961 C, is 
apparent this temperature was reached as the silver appears to have moved by 
capillary action into the copper/copper oxide material and also appears to have 
been an effective brazing metal on the quartz, something it is known to do in 
common practice when making metal seals on quartz lab wear. All, or almost all, 
the copper was converted to copper oxide at 1000 C, this was not the case in a 
duplicate test at 800 C where considerable of the copper wire remained as metal 
though it was oxidized on the surface. The replication with power and thermal 
data may tell the tale, patience is going to be required before we might make 
sense of this miasma. Hopefully no one reports seeing the 'face of Jesus' in 
the miasma before the replication and more extensive data is in hand, that 
would really confuse matters.


On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Russ 
<russ.geo...@gmail.com<mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
What’s to discuss other than perhaps something about the diagnostic incite 
offered by fervent practice of conflation.

From: Alberto De Souza 
[mailto:alberto.investi...@gmail.com<mailto:alberto.investi...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 2:57 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: [Vo]:LION experiments

This forum is rather silent about the LION experiments, currently being 
examined by MFMP... Anyone care to comment?

https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/5518-mfmp-lfh-lion2-100-replication-well-beyond-lion1/?postID=81031#post81031

Re: [Vo]:LION experiments

2018-02-17 Thread Axil Axil 
I wonder if "the  fervent practice of conflation" means that the fusion
meme that has been the mainstay of LENR theory for so long should now be
retooled to somehow  fit into an as of yet unfathomable  understanding of
the LION reactor meltdown. Russ is among those who are clearly confused by
the LION reactor meltdown. Here is his analysis as follows:

Melting Miasma - The intact Kanthal wire is a witness to the temperature
not reaching the melting point of kanthal which is listed as being 1500 C.
The alumina block melts above 2000 C, the quartz melts at just under 1700
C. So if the quartz melted likely the kanthal which was in contact with the
quartz might be expected to melt, not seen. Surely the alumina foam which
was outside of the quartz melting at 2000 C would not 'melt' without the
intervening kanthal showing melting which would occur at 1500 C. If during
the oxidation of the copper that is clearly apparent, that very hot copper
oxidation process was capable of perhaps breaking the quartz and that
copper oxide invaded the surrounding materials it might well have bonding
with all. Copper oxide melts at 1326 C. Copper melts at 1085 C. Nickel
melts at 1455 C, don't forget the tiny 2.5 mm diameter 10 micron thick
nickel pads with the diamonds attached to them that are the purported fuel
are clearly seen and did NOT melt. Nor did the stainless steel bolt that
plugged the reactor tube, stainless steels melt between 1400-1500 C
depending on the alloy.

All theses known materials and melting points bear witness to many
temperatures that might have been reached in the hot 'reaction' zone. In
the 'dummy' test runs conducted at Alan's, the maker of the tube furnace
test bed, at 1000 C. in these dummy runs without any anomalous fuels, aka
the nickel diamond discs, the aggressive hot chemistry of the copper oxide
and is very clearly seen. It has fused/bonded itself to the quartz for
example. The silver foil that underlaid the copper wire winding at the
distal end has a melting point 961 C, is apparent this temperature was
reached as the silver appears to have moved by capillary action into the
copper/copper oxide material and also appears to have been an effective
brazing metal on the quartz, something it is known to do in common practice
when making metal seals on quartz lab wear. All, or almost all, the copper
was converted to copper oxide at 1000 C, this was not the case in a
duplicate test at 800 C where considerable of the copper wire remained as
metal though it was oxidized on the surface. The replication with power and
thermal data may tell the tale, patience is going to be required before we
might make sense of this miasma. Hopefully no one reports seeing the 'face
of Jesus' in the miasma before the replication and more extensive data is
in hand, that would really confuse matters.


On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Russ  wrote:

> What’s to discuss other than perhaps something about the diagnostic incite
> offered by fervent practice of conflation.
>
>
>
> *From:* Alberto De Souza [mailto:alberto.investi...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 17, 2018 2:57 PM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* [Vo]:LION experiments
>
>
>
> This forum is rather silent about the LION experiments, currently being
> examined by MFMP... Anyone care to comment?
>
> https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/5518-mfmp-lfh-
> lion2-100-replication-well-beyond-lion1/?postID=81031#post81031
>

RE: [Vo]:LION experiments

2018-02-17 Thread Russ 
What’s to discuss other than perhaps something about the diagnostic incite 
offered by fervent practice of conflation.

 

From: Alberto De Souza [mailto:alberto.investi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 2:57 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:LION experiments

 

This forum is rather silent about the LION experiments, currently being 
examined by MFMP... Anyone care to comment?

https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/5518-mfmp-lfh-lion2-100-replication-well-beyond-lion1/?postID=81031#post81031