Re: [Vo]:Society changes VERY quickly sometimes
MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Jed wrote: “In real life a turtle would never challenge a rabbit to a race, because turtles and rabbits do not talk, and they don't compete or care what the other does.” ** ** Jed, you take all the fun out of bed-time stories… Okay, once upon a time, orangutans used i-pads. See: http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/orangutans-at-miami-zoo-1434099.html - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Society changes VERY quickly sometimes
Somehow I lost the reference here, but anyhow: The boiling frog-metaphor is just that: An urban myth! Any educated person should not use it. No frog is as dumb as that. Only humans are. And they abuse the poor frog to justify their dumbness. Somehow evidence has disconnected from mythical tales, which at times stretches out to superstring-theory or the big bang. And myth regularly seems to trump evidence. Sounds familiar? Guess so. Guenter Von: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 15:12 Donnerstag, 10.Mai 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Society changes VERY quickly sometimes MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Jed wrote: “In real life a turtle would never challenge a rabbit to a race, because turtles and rabbits do not talk, and they don't compete or care what the other does.” Jed, you take all the fun out of bed-time stories… Okay, once upon a time, orangutans used i-pads. See: http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/orangutans-at-miami-zoo-1434099.html - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Society changes VERY quickly sometimes
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I quoted Freeman Dyson on this subject: ... the rules can be changed very fast when the necessity arises. Frog Pot Water Heat
Re: [Vo]:Society changes VERY quickly sometimes
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Frog Pot Water Heat Actually, that is a fable. Frogs jump out of pots as soon as the water gets warmer than they prefer. It is a fable, but a useful one! It is like one of Aesop's fables -- you know they are not true, but they teach a valuable lesson. In real life a turtle would never challenge a rabbit to a race, because turtles and rabbits do not talk, and they don't compete or care what the other does. In the book Collapse J. Diamond discussed how social collapse tends to creep up on societies, decade by decade. Older people who remember how things were better die off, and the next generation takes the bad situation for granted, and makes it worse. That is how they ended up cutting all the trees on Easter Island. That is why, for example, here in Atlanta we have places like Buford Highway where dozens of pedestrians are killed by traffic, because there are no sidewalks or cross-walks and people get off of buses to cross the road to apartment buildings. It was originally a rural road. They built the apartments and attracted low-income people gradually, over the last 40 years. Now they are finally doing something about Buford highway. People do not always let these things slide indefinitely. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Society changes VERY quickly sometimes
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Frog Pot Water Heat In the book Collapse J. Diamond discussed how social collapse tends to creep up on societies Yeah, gradually people come to believe that guys like Jared Diamond should supply the narratives for critical things like the expansion of civilizations and their collapse.
Re: [Vo]:Society changes VERY quickly sometimes
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, gradually people come to believe that guys like Jared Diamond should supply the narratives for critical things like the expansion of civilizations and their collapse. Have you read the book? You seem to be mischaracterizing it. It is more description than prescription. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Society changes VERY quickly sometimes
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, gradually people come to believe that guys like Jared Diamond should supply the narratives for critical things like the expansion of civilizations and their collapse. Have you read the book? You seem to be mischaracterizing it. It is more description than prescription. A *narrative* is a constructive format (as a work of speech, writing, song, film, television, video games, photography or theatre) that DESCRIBES a sequence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequence_(disambiguation) of non-fictional http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-fictional or fictionalhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictional events. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narrative All caps mine.
RE: [Vo]:Society changes VERY quickly sometimes
Jed wrote: In real life a turtle would never challenge a rabbit to a race, because turtles and rabbits do not talk, and they don't compete or care what the other does. Jed, you take all the fun out of bed-time stories. -mark From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 1:39 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Society changes VERY quickly sometimes James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Frog Pot Water Heat Actually, that is a fable. Frogs jump out of pots as soon as the water gets warmer than they prefer. It is a fable, but a useful one! It is like one of Aesop's fables -- you know they are not true, but they teach a valuable lesson. In real life a turtle would never challenge a rabbit to a race, because turtles and rabbits do not talk, and they don't compete or care what the other does. In the book Collapse J. Diamond discussed how social collapse tends to creep up on societies, decade by decade. Older people who remember how things were better die off, and the next generation takes the bad situation for granted, and makes it worse. That is how they ended up cutting all the trees on Easter Island. That is why, for example, here in Atlanta we have places like Buford Highway where dozens of pedestrians are killed by traffic, because there are no sidewalks or cross-walks and people get off of buses to cross the road to apartment buildings. It was originally a rural road. They built the apartments and attracted low-income people gradually, over the last 40 years. Now they are finally doing something about Buford highway. People do not always let these things slide indefinitely. - Jed
