Re: [Vo]:2nd Law proved not valid, ignored by West

2017-07-11 Thread Jones Beene

of interest

https://arxiv.org/abs/1701.08455


mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

What they have constructed is essentially a magnetic "diode" between the 
plates, which allows current flow in one direction only.


https://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0311104





Re: [Vo]:2nd Law proved not valid, ignored by West

2017-07-11 Thread mixent
In reply to  Jones Beene's message of Mon, 10 Jul 2017 21:06:38 -0700:
Hi,

What they have constructed is essentially a magnetic "diode" between the plates,
which allows current flow in one direction only. We have discussed the use of
diodes on this forum before.

>In the disclosed Maxwell's demon type of experiment from 2012, heat from 
>ambient air was converted completely into electric energy, using a 
>static magnetic field without producing any other effect.
>
>The phenomenon proves clearly that the second law of thermodynamics is 
>not universally valid, even though the output was tiny.
>
>"Realization of Maxwell’s Hypothesis" A heat-electric conversion in 
>contradiction to Kelvin’s statement  by  Xinyong Fu, Zitao Fu Shanghai 
>Jiao Tong University
>
>https://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0311104
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html



Re: [Vo]:2nd Law proved not valid, ignored by West

2017-07-11 Thread Jones Beene


Dave, Of course, we have known about "dark current" and photocathodes 
for almost 100 years, and also thermionic emissions are not new - but 
here is the novelty. Fu set up magnets so that the field lines were 
arranged to steer electrons in a way like MHD ... so that resulting 
polarity separated making current available "for free". No added heat is 
required, resulting is usable electric power from ambient. Not much 
power is seen, but OTOH there was zero added heat.


Has that been done before? Is this scale-able to higher levels?

 David Roberson wrote:

Looks likethis experiment demonstrates a process which converts heat 
energy into electrical energy.  This has already been observed when 
thermal radiation is emitted by a warm body.  Also, electrical energy 
can be captured from a resistor surrounded by a heat sink.


I am not sure why the report you refer to claims to be a first.

Dave



-Original Message-t

In the disclosed Maxwell's demon type of experiment from 2012, heat from
ambient air was converted completely into electric energy, using a
static magnetic field without producing any other effect.

The phenomenon proves clearly that the second law of thermodynamics is
not universally valid, even though the output was tiny.

"Realization of Maxwell’s Hypothesis" A heat-electric conversion in
contradiction to Kelvin’s statement by Xinyong Fu, Zitao Fu Shanghai
Jiao Tong University

https://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0311104





Re: [Vo]:2nd Law proved not valid, ignored by West

2017-07-11 Thread David Roberson
Looks like this experiment demonstrates a process which converts heat energy 
into electrical energy.  This has already been observed when thermal radiation 
is emitted by a warm body.  Also, electrical energy can be captured from a 
resistor surrounded by a heat sink.

I am not sure why the report you refer to claims to be a first.

Dave

 

 

 

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Subject: [Vo]:2nd Law proved not valid, ignored by West

In the disclosed Maxwell's demon type of experiment from 2012, heat from 
ambient air was converted completely into electric energy, using a 
static magnetic field without producing any other effect.

The phenomenon proves clearly that the second law of thermodynamics is 
not universally valid, even though the output was tiny.

"Realization of Maxwell’s Hypothesis" A heat-electric conversion in 
contradiction to Kelvin’s statement  by  Xinyong Fu, Zitao Fu Shanghai 
Jiao Tong University

https://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0311104