Re: [Vo]:February 13th A. Rossi interview from 22passi blog
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Charles HOPE lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote: Murray should apologize to Earthtech for making derogatory comments on Rossi's experiment that were quotes of Cude's criticism? Not at all. I am saying that Murray should have copied the following to EarthTech. He left them without the rest of the story. fromRich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com reply-tovortex-l@eskimo.com to joshua.c...@yahoo.com, vortex-L@eskimo.com, michael barron mhbar...@gmail.com, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com, Rich Murray rmfor...@comcast.net, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net dateThu, Feb 10, 2011 at 1:04 AM subject [Vo]:probably, the Rossi demos have a complex control box with thermal controls that lower the electric input power when the reactor gets too hot: Cede: Murray 2011.02.09 mailed-by eskimo.com unsubscribe Unsubscribe from this sender hide details Feb 10 (7 days ago) probably, the Rossi demos have a complex control box with thermal controls that lower the electric input heater power when the reactor gets too hot: Cude: Murray 2011.02.09 fromMark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net reply-tovortex-l@eskimo.com to vortex-l@eskimo.com dateWed, Feb 9, 2011 at 9:50 PM subject RE: [Vo]:Levi's interpretation of the two Rossi demos does not hold water 9:50 PM (51 minutes ago) This whole thread started by the critique by Joshua Cude posted by Rich Murray... It would appear that Joshua (and Rich) have not read all of the comments and reports on Rossi's website, so they were UNinformed as to the purpose of the 'control box'. Rich, would you please correct Joshua on this so he doesn't go spreading MISinformation about the demo! -Mark snip end
Re: [Vo]:February 13th A. Rossi interview from 22passi blog
On Feb 16, 2011, at 9:15 AM, SHIRAKAWA Akira wrote: Hello group, Daniele Passerini from 22passi blog interviewed again Andrea Rossi on February 13th. This is the original link: http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/02/energy-catalyzer-facciamo-un-po- di.html And this is an English translation courtesy of PESN, edited by Hank Mills from a Google translation: http://pesn.com/2011/02/14/9501766_Rossi_catalyzer_clarity_interview/ * * * [snip] ROSSI - In a nutshell for very nicely measuring the range of radiation we should create a 360 degree hole in the reactor to allow the meter to read what's happening there. But what that implies is giving away the technology completely in the hands of a person prepared to interpret the data. To design the systems security anti spy technology of this kind is not enough to surround himself with collaborators honest and like ... I myself, Andrea, would be in crisis if someone were to say we will give you a figure that will change your life overnight and your next five generations in return for telling us... An offer of this kind would severely test even the honesty of a Saint. [snip] -- Cheers, S.A. Independent evaluation of the commercial viability and utility of an invention like this is typically made, and could have been made in this case, by an independent third party, under a nondisclosure agreement (NDA) before commercial financing is provided. Evaluation of excess heat by calorimetry can even be accomplished free onsite by using companies like Earthtech (www.earthtech.org). Such an evaluation requires no obfuscation and minimal intervention or constraints by the inventor during evaluation. There have been many cases discussed here over the last 15 years of bad or highly debatable calorimetry indicating total energy balances beyond chemical. No one should invest a dime in any CF scheme for business purposes unless expert calorimetry is performed in due diligence. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:February 13th A. Rossi interview from 22passi blog
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: snip Independent evaluation of the commercial viability and utility of an invention like this is typically made, and could have been made in this case, by an independent third party, under a nondisclosure agreement (NDA) before commercial financing is provided. Evaluation of excess heat by calorimetry can even be accomplished free onsite by using companies like Earthtech (www.earthtech.org). But Murray cross posted derogatory comments on the experiment here: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg42393.html And the archives do not show all the recipients unlike my gmail archives: from Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com reply-tovortex-l@eskimo.com to vortex-L@eskimo.com, michael barron mhbar...@gmail.com, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com, Rich Murray rmfor...@comcast.net, Sterling D. Allen sterlin...@pureenergysystems.com, lit...@earthtech.org, mari...@earthtech.org, puth...@earthtech.org, joshua.c...@yahoo.com dateTue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:15 PM subject [Vo]:Levi's interpretation of the two Rossi demos does not hold water, decisive critique by Joshua Cude: Rich Murray 2011.02.08 mailed-by eskimo.com unsubscribe Unsubscribe from this sender hide details Feb 8 (9 days ago) Levi's interpretation of the two Rossi demos does not hold water, decisive critique by Joshua Cude: Rich Murray 2011.02.08 snip Which included members of Earthtech. When I suggested he include Earthtech in his retraction: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg42488.html Rich did not respond, leaving Earthtech with a bad taste in their mouth. Unethical, IMO. T
Re: [Vo]:February 13th A. Rossi interview from 22passi blog
Hello Terry, I'm still doubtful about the Rossi claims, due to the enormous confusion about the output water-steam flows, and the weak claims about gamma detection. I am not a doctrinaire skeptic, but as a scientific layman serve as a pragmatic skeptic about the simpler aspects of cold fusion research, while hoping for major benign advances. I am pleased by the overall courteous and thoughtful discussions. I was perplexed to not get any responses whatsoever from Earthtech, so assume they are operating on their own track re surprising, fast-moving matters that impinge on world security. Rossi has not released any details re his explosions. Surely by now many teams worldwide are running their own experiments and checking out all possible leads of information. Amateur networks can contribute by spreading information as widely as possible. The list of elements and their isotopes that might be catalysts may be only a few dozen. The most recent Rossi comments include the claim that the half-lives of radioactives in his cells are less than a few minutes. However, I find it easy to imagine that every facet of this complex drama could be disinformation from multiple players with different agendas. The article on Wikipedia re BlackLight Power shows clearly that 50-100 million dollars can be attracted in two decades by a small scientific cult. I note that it's been 2 months since the private demo by Rossi on December 16, and he published provocative patents and reports in the last 2 years. Rich Murray On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: snip Independent evaluation of the commercial viability and utility of an invention like this is typically made, and could have been made in this case, by an independent third party, under a nondisclosure agreement (NDA) before commercial financing is provided. Evaluation of excess heat by calorimetry can even be accomplished free onsite by using companies like Earthtech (www.earthtech.org). But Murray cross posted derogatory comments on the experiment here: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg42393.html And the archives do not show all the recipients unlike my gmail archives: from Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com reply-to vortex-l@eskimo.com to vortex-L@eskimo.com, michael barron mhbar...@gmail.com, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com, Rich Murray rmfor...@comcast.net, Sterling D. Allen sterlin...@pureenergysystems.com, lit...@earthtech.org, mari...@earthtech.org, puth...@earthtech.org, joshua.c...@yahoo.com date Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:15 PM subject [Vo]:Levi's interpretation of the two Rossi demos does not hold water, decisive critique by Joshua Cude: Rich Murray 2011.02.08 mailed-by eskimo.com unsubscribe Unsubscribe from this sender hide details Feb 8 (9 days ago) Levi's interpretation of the two Rossi demos does not hold water, decisive critique by Joshua Cude: Rich Murray 2011.02.08 snip Which included members of Earthtech. When I suggested he include Earthtech in his retraction: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg42488.html Rich did not respond, leaving Earthtech with a bad taste in their mouth. Unethical, IMO. T
Re: [Vo]:February 13th A. Rossi interview from 22passi blog
And that changes what I said how? T On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Terry, I'm still doubtful about the Rossi claims,
Re: [Vo]:February 13th A. Rossi interview from 22passi blog
Murray should apologize to Earthtech for making derogatory comments on Rossi's experiment that were quotes of Cude's criticism? On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: And that changes what I said how? T On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Terry, I'm still doubtful about the Rossi claims, -- Never did I see a second sun Never did my skin touch a land of glass Never did my rifle point but true But in a land empty of enemies Waiting for the tick-tick-tick of the want A uranium angel Crying “behold,” This land that knew fire is yours Taken from Corruption To begin anew
