Re: [Vo]:Fw: Krivit Snarks
At 05:19 PM 8/1/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: I have not had a chance to read the Krivit newsletter yet, but I agree with Fletcher's comments here. He wrote: Last year Rossi and Focardi claimed an energy gain of 213 times. This year, Rossi downgraded that to six. But now he's claiming self-sustaining mode below 200 C. This month, Rossi upgraded that to infinity. This whole business of ratios is meaningless. As Storms, I and others have said many times, once you figure out how to control the reaction, the ratio is just a matter of engineering. Yes. Any self-sustaining device has a COP that is infinite. Rossi's claim has been that self-sustaining devices are dangerous, but that's really only because he's been controlling them with heat. If he can run them at higher temperature, perhaps using applied heat only for ignition, then he might control them by controllying hydrogen feed. That might involve operating at very low pressure, perhaps, or if there is an inert gas that doesn't poison the reaction Or a direct cooling bypass could be designed in, that could rapidly cool the reaction chamber to shut the reaction down. From the comment about 200 C, it looks like Rossi is operating way below the 450 C that's been mentioned before. Tools used by the plumber Outside of the reactor chamber and the hydrogen hook-up, those tools are entirely appropriate for the job. Exactly. What other kinds of tools can anyone use?!? It is a plumbing job. That photo was used by Krivit just for general interest. Krivit does that, and it's fine. I saw no attempt to create any suspicion there. A Hoax? Rossi has claimed, many times and in many reports, that he is not asking anybody for money until he delivers a working product for sale. ... Rossi has always said that he's licensing Defkalion and more recently Ampenergo. Rossi's Greek licensee, Defkalion Green Technologies, however, is asking for money and asking investors to bear the risk. . . . But he omits the critical non-scam lines : -- Meeting in our factory during October to inspect and verify kW units -- Meeting in our factory during December to inspect and verify MW units . . . Not only that, but Rossi is not Defkalion. They are completely separate. Rossi said it is his policy that he will not accept money until he delivers. Defkalion has not said that is their policy. Although it seems they do have a similar policy, based on the above document and the White Paper, as noted. Krivit also did not report on many other things. So? Defkalion implies that they are selling franchises, but these are probably contingent agreements, and money might be deposited into escrow, or, at least, is refundable if Defkalion can't deliver. Overall : Krivit proves Rossi is not a scientist. But we knew that. And that Rossi often makes inconsistent statements. Ditto and likewise. Right. Rossi has said I am not a scientist any number of times. I don't know what it is with people, pointing in triumph to something that everyone knows, and no one disputes, as if they are revealing some deep secret. Krivit was writing a report designed for people who don't know. Actually, my own opinion, he didn't do that particularly well. His report is a farrago of pieces. Worked for me, because I'm familiar with the material. I'm not sure how someone would take this straight-up, with no prior knowledge. The classic example is people who say Ah ha! Cold fusion does not produce neutrons! So it can't be fusion!!! Do they think no one noticed this in 22 years? The theoretical arguments about Rossi are *really stupid.* They warrant maybe a sentence indicating that no known and recognized reaction explains how the Rossi reactor works. Evidence about Rossi's isotopic claims is okay. Krivit provides Rossi's isotopic analysis as an appendix with absolutely no analysis or comment. That's poor practice, I'd suggest, but he's really using NET 37 to archive some documents, like that analysis. It's a distraction as included in the report. Nevertheless, I find NET 37 quite useful, and I thank Krivit for putting it together.
Re: [Vo]:Fw: Krivit Snarks
I've read the whole thing a couple of times, and been through the appendices once. I'm still struck by Krivit's overall snarkiness -- and also he's ignoring recent Rossi claims. I'm not commenting on ANY of the steam-quality issues. Last year Rossi and Focardi claimed an energy gain of 213 times. This year, Rossi downgraded that to six. But now he's claiming self-sustaining mode below 200 C. This month, Rossi upgraded that to infinity. On March 29, two Swedish professors went to Bologna, expenses paid by Rossi, to see Rossi's device in action. Krivit took cab fare and lunch from Rossi. Krivit Schematic He's showing 220V 3-phase power. I think that's 220V single-phase, which also (I think) limits power-phase tricks. Tools used by the plumber Outside of the reactor chamber and the hydrogen hook-up, those tools are entirely appropriate for the job. I was curious about his factory. According to the corporate registration of his company, Leonardo Corp., it is located at 1331 Lincoln Road, Apartment 505, Miami Beach, FL, 33129. It seems odd that Rossi could have a factory with 300 devices on the fifth floor of an apartment building in Miami Beach. Were the 300 devices in boxes? On benches? Drawing power? In various phases of manufacture? Perhaps this isn't really his current principal place of business as shown on the corporate registration; perhaps he lied to the Florida government. Pure snark. What's wrong with registering your corporation from an apartment and renting a factory somewhere else? There is another contradiction. Rossi has stated many times that he hasn't taken and won't be taking anybody's money until he delivers his 1 MW plant in October. When I spoke with Essén on July 15, I mentioned to him that Capiluppi had told me that the Rossi research agreement would not become active until Rossi made the first payment to the university. According to what I heard, Essén sad, the contract will become active in late October, because then Rossi will get money from Athens, but this is only speculation. According to the schedule I heard, nothing will happen until October. No contradiction -- in fact, it self-confirms. This section is talking about money Rossi plans to PAY. Rossi has said that Defkalion will pay him when the 1M plant is accepted. Kullander thought that the most significant piece of information was that Rossi had heated a building for a year with one of his devices. No evidence exists to support this claim. ... We have only Rossi's word that he had a practical, working device heating his building. ... True, but not inconsistent. EV world interview : http://pesn.com/2011/07/14/9501869_EV-World_Interviews_Andrea_Rossi/ A - Very good. With that reactor which was similar to the modern E-Cat that we are making, was a module of about 20 kilowatts. And with that we heated an area of the factory that was about 1000 square feet, with offices, etc. In that area in Italy it is very cold for at least five months a year, because in the North East the winter is very cold. We have temperatures that range between - 6 and 10 celsius degrees. And we heated our offices with that for one year, and studied it very well. It has worked at least one year, when I was there. Now we no longer have the factory. I had to sell everything to finance this. Now we have here in the United States. Here in Florida, the place where we make the reactors, and in Greece they are making huge production lines for the production of these products in Europe. A Hoax? Rossi has claimed, many times and in many reports, that he is not asking anybody for money until he delivers a working product for sale. ... Rossi has always said that he's licensing Defkalion and more recently Ampenergo. Rossi's Greek licensee, Defkalion Green Technologies, however, is asking for money and asking investors to bear the risk. For 40.4 million Euros, one company per country can have the exclusive rights to manufacture and sell Rossi's device, according to a July 6 letter from Symeon Tsalikoglou, the director of business development and marketing for Defkalion. http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/docs/Defkalion-Offering-July2011.pdf But he omits the critical non-scam lines : -- Meeting in our factory during October to inspect and verify kW units -- Meeting in our factory during December to inspect and verify MW units It's also exactly what Defkalion said they were going to do in their white paper: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/White_Paper_DGT.pdf p 7 Also : Krivit makes no references to the information on the defkalion site -- eg that the Hyperion uses Glycol in a closed circuit (see the white paper), and gives much higher COP's than the 6x mini-ecat. Overall : Krivit proves Rossi is not a scientist. But we knew that. And that Rossi often makes inconsistent statements. Ditto and likewise.
RE: [Vo]:Fw: Krivit Snarks
From Jed, I don't know what it is with people, pointing in triumph to something that everyone knows, and no one disputes, as if they are revealing some deep secret. I realize you are probably expressing this out of a sense of exasperation. What interests me is that when someone chooses to investigate controversial claims what are the personal biases they bring to what it is they choose to investigate. Krivit often strikes me as a cynical investigator. This was not meant to imply criticism pertaining to Krivit's investigative skills. It's simply a personal observation of mine. Krivit tends to give me the impression that where there is controversy, there is also likely to be deception going on somewhere. Again, possessing a cynical outlook is not necessarily a bad thing in terms of being an investigative reporter. I think it served Krivit particularly well when he was investigating the bubblegate saga. There is strong evidence to suggest the fact that Taleyarkhan got f*cked over royally by some of his peers and by some of his superiors. If it hadn't been for Krivit's tenacity to ask unpleasant questions it's quite possible few in the public domain would have ever discovered what was going on under the tattered veneer of what was supposed to have been a routine investigation into Taleyarkhan's professional research skills. But now we come to Rossi. Rossi is obviously quite eccentric. He has his flaws, as do we all. It would seem to me that perhaps eccentricity and cynicism may not mix very well. My two cents. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Fw: Krivit Snarks
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 10:15 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: . . .perhaps eccentricity and cynicism may not mix very well. My two cents. :-) Eccentricity and cynicism . . . two scents! T
