Re: [Vo]:LENR-CANR.org year-end fundraising campaign
FYI: Jed managed 16050 posts to vortex. Conclusion, Jed has no need to earn money. His time is eaten up by addiction to promulgating uncreative, boring script. Jed is on a donor list for $1,000 with a slippery group of 4 looking for research donations. Only fools send donations to Nigeria and elsewhere if verifiable background and educational achievements are not published, to say nothing of Federal Non-profit status documentation needed for charitable deduction. Reminds me of Jojo who appealed for funds on vortex whereby a Google search reveals his occupation as a worm grower for lizard food. A fool and his money are soon parted is a proverb found in the poem Five Hundred Points of Good Husbandry by Thomas Tusser Anyone else object to Tin Cup appeals on vortex? Rossi Fan
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Anyone else object to posts like the one below? Sent from some iDevice. Written by Esa. On 14 Nov 2012, at 13:54, Ly Sig ly...@ymail.com wrote: FYI: Jed managed 16050 posts to vortex. Conclusion, Jed has no need to earn money. His time is eaten up by addiction to promulgating uncreative, boring script. Jed is on a donor list for $1,000 with a slippery group of 4 looking for research donations. Only fools send donations to Nigeria and elsewhere if verifiable background and educational achievements are not published, to say nothing of Federal Non-profit status documentation needed for charitable deduction. Reminds me of Jojo who appealed for funds on vortex whereby a Google search reveals his occupation as a worm grower for lizard food. A fool and his money are soon parted is a proverb found in the poem Five Hundred Points of Good Husbandry by Thomas Tusser Anyone else object to Tin Cup appeals on vortex? Rossi Fan
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As children in this world we are taught to ask for things. Jed has every right. He provides a valuable service. Stewart darkmattersalot.com On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 7:09 AM, Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone else object to posts like the one below? Sent from some iDevice. Written by Esa. On 14 Nov 2012, at 13:54, Ly Sig ly...@ymail.com wrote: FYI: Jed managed 16050 posts to vortex. Conclusion, Jed has no need to earn money. His time is eaten up by addiction to promulgating uncreative, boring script. Jed is on a donor list for $1,000 with a slippery group of 4 looking for research donations. Only fools send donations to Nigeria and elsewhere if verifiable background and educational achievements are not published, to say nothing of Federal Non-profit status documentation needed for charitable deduction. Reminds me of Jojo who appealed for funds on vortex whereby a Google search reveals his occupation as a worm grower for lizard food. A fool and his money are soon parted is a proverb found in the poem Five Hundred Points of Good Husbandry by Thomas Tusser Anyone else object to Tin Cup appeals on vortex? Rossi Fan
Re: [Vo]:LENR-CANR.org year-end fundraising campaign
Because trolls and other aggressive people always are posting anonymously or with nicknames, I want to suggest to Bill Beaty to transform Vortex in a Forum on which every member should use his or her real, verifiable name. The courage of cowards is always destructive. Peter On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone else object to posts like the one below? Sent from some iDevice. Written by Esa. On 14 Nov 2012, at 13:54, Ly Sig ly...@ymail.com wrote: FYI: Jed managed 16050 posts to vortex. Conclusion, Jed has no need to earn money. His time is eaten up by addiction to promulgating uncreative, boring script. Jed is on a donor list for $1,000 with a slippery group of 4 looking for research donations. Only fools send donations to Nigeria and elsewhere if verifiable background and educational achievements are not published, to say nothing of Federal Non-profit status documentation needed for charitable deduction. Reminds me of Jojo who appealed for funds on vortex whereby a Google search reveals his occupation as a worm grower for lizard food. A fool and his money are soon parted is a proverb found in the poem Five Hundred Points of Good Husbandry by Thomas Tusser Anyone else object to Tin Cup appeals on vortex? Rossi Fan -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:09:13 +0200 Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone else object to posts like the one below? I do not. It is always good for Enthusiasts to be cautioned about how they spend their Money, lest, in an Enthusiastick Fit, they spend it Foolishly.
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Ly Sig, Vorl Bek.. Nuff said. On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote: On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:09:13 +0200 Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone else object to posts like the one below? I do not. It is always good for Enthusiasts to be cautioned about how they spend their Money, lest, in an Enthusiastick Fit, they spend it Foolishly.
RE: [Vo]:LENR-CANR.org year-end fundraising campaign
From Ly FYI: Jed managed 16050 posts to vortex. Conclusion, Jed has no need to earn money. This makes no sense. His time is eaten up by addiction to promulgating uncreative, boring script. This is an absurd statement. Jed is on a donor list for $1,000 with a slippery group of 4 looking for research donations. Only fools send donations to Nigeria and elsewhere if verifiable background and educational achievements are not published, to say nothing of Federal Non-profit status documentation needed for charitable deduction. If Ly is referring to the Martin Fleischman Memorial Project, they appear far more transparent than whoever Ly appears to be. Troll. The rest clipped. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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From Vorl: Esa Ruoho wrote: Anyone else object to posts like the one below? I do not. It is always good for Enthusiasts to be cautioned about how they spend their Money, lest, in an Enthusiastick Fit, they spend it Foolishly. And I do object. While caution is always called for, and while it's not always the case, blithely accepting advice from complete strangers can be just as risky as acting on one of those Nigerian messages, particularly when the stranger's message is filled with disingenuous criticisms filled with falsehoods. Vorl, you give me the impression that you are willing to accept any kind of advice no matter whence it came from, particularly if what the stranger is pontificating seems to agree with your objectives pov? Is that so? Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Even if my pseudonimity is no more secret, I would defend pseudonyms. At worst someone could keep the real identity. to be simple : imagine that I say: my employer dump billions in a hole, and i don't want him to know I know what he is doing... Imagine I say : my neighbors will burn me like a witch if they learn i support Nuclear energy Imagine I say: my family will send my to the psy hospital if they learn i support Cold Fusion scam pseudonimity is privacy protection, to help free speech in a real world... 2012/11/14 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com Because trolls and other aggressive people always are posting anonymously or with nicknames, I want to suggest to Bill Beaty to transform Vortex in a Forum on which every member should use his or her real, verifiable name. The courage of cowards is always destructive. Peter On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone else object to posts like the one below? Sent from some iDevice. Written by Esa. On 14 Nov 2012, at 13:54, Ly Sig ly...@ymail.com wrote: FYI: Jed managed 16050 posts to vortex. Conclusion, Jed has no need to earn money. His time is eaten up by addiction to promulgating uncreative, boring script. Jed is on a donor list for $1,000 with a slippery group of 4 looking for research donations. Only fools send donations to Nigeria and elsewhere if verifiable background and educational achievements are not published, to say nothing of Federal Non-profit status documentation needed for charitable deduction. Reminds me of Jojo who appealed for funds on vortex whereby a Google search reveals his occupation as a worm grower for lizard food. A fool and his money are soon parted is a proverb found in the poem Five Hundred Points of Good Husbandry by Thomas Tusser Anyone else object to Tin Cup appeals on vortex? Rossi Fan -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone else object to posts like the one below? Sent from some iDevice. Written by Esa. On 14 Nov 2012, at 13:54, Ly Sig ly...@ymail.com wrote: FYI: Jed managed 16050 posts to vortex. Conclusion, Jed has no need to earn money. His time is eaten up by addiction to promulgating uncreative, boring script. Jed is on a donor list for $1,000 with a slippery group of 4 looking for research donations. Only fools send donations to Nigeria and elsewhere if verifiable background and educational achievements are not published . . . I have no objection. On the contrary, Ly Sig has performed a valuable service here, reminding us that many people oppose everything about cold fusion, even an on-line library of papers. If they could, opponents would shut shut down LENR-CANR. They do not want anyone to read cold fusion papers, even papers by Morrison. Fortunately, they have no way to stop me. This is harmless nonsense. Many, many people have attacked me over the years. Some have said much worse things than this. - Jed
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I wrote: I have no objection. On the contrary, Ly Sig has performed a valuable service here, reminding us that many people oppose everything about cold fusion, even an on-line library of papers. That sounds egotistical, as if I meant that an attack on me is an attack on cold fusion. What I meant is: Ly Sig says I should not collect donations for LENR-CANR.org. I should pay for the whole thing myself. That is tantamount to saying it is not worth having. At least, he sees no need for it. No one else should bother assisting me me or helping to pay for it. If you are not willing to pay for a service, and you think it is an affront that the person providing it even asks for payment, you must have pretty low opinion of that service. I invite Ly Sig to get all of these papers on his own from other sources. Not NewEnergyTimes either, since most of their papers are copied from LENR-CANR.org. Park and many other opponents say things like this: If the cold fusion researchers want to do this, fine, let them. But we should not give them any grant money or even let them work on the clock at their labs. Let them do it at home on their own time. That is tantamount saying, this research should not be allowed. You can't do experiments after hours at home. LENR-CANR is a much smaller deal than even the smallest research project. It calls for a small office, a desk, two computers, a scanner, a couple of filing cabinets, and travel expenses. It has to be an office away from home with no distractions or I will waste the whole day reading books and dithering. It does not cost much, but it ain't free either. People download 400,000 papers a year, so the cost is roughly 2 cents per download. Plus I do not charge authors for editing and various other services, and I have some other business here, part time. To be fair, I would say it is about a penny per download. I am moving to a smaller office down the hall, which will reduce expenses by $2000 per year. Internet used to be a major expense but bandwidth is now very cheap. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:LENR-CANR.org year-end fundraising campaign
Here is some information from Christy for people who cannot use PayPal who wish to contribute: Other options: 1) [The person] can mail a check, as long as it is in USD. 2) If he already has a PayPal account, he can just send us a payment or I can send him an invoice to pay, but I have to know how much his donation is going to be. This still requires that he have a PayPal account. 3) He can call or fax us with a credit card payment. Phone: 603-485-4700 or Fax: 603-485-4710 The donate page is set to their standard settings and I don't know if there is any way around it. PayPal does require a certain amount of information in order to take and make payments.
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Can I pay in bullions? 2012/11/14 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Here is some information from Christy for people who cannot use PayPal who wish to contribute: Other options: 1) [The person] can mail a check, as long as it is in USD. 2) If he already has a PayPal account, he can just send us a payment or I can send him an invoice to pay, but I have to know how much his donation is going to be. This still requires that he have a PayPal account. 3) He can call or fax us with a credit card payment. Phone: 603-485-4700 or Fax: 603-485-4710 The donate page is set to their standard settings and I don't know if there is any way around it. PayPal does require a certain amount of information in order to take and make payments. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Hi, On 15-11-2012 0:30, Daniel Rocha wrote: Can I pay in bullions? Dunno, but with Paypal you can at least (after exchange) pay with Euros. Regards, Rob
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I thought you were multi millionaire! 2012/11/13 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com LENR-CANR.ORG YEAR-END FUNDRAISING CAMPAIGN Please click here to make a tax-deductible contribution to LENR-CANR.orghttp://www.infinite-energy.com/whoarewe/lenr_donate.html . We suggest a donation of $10 or $20. LENR-CANR.org is an online library of cold fusion papers. We have over 1,200 full text papers and a bibliography listing 3,933 items. Our readers are mainly scientists, engineers and university students. Readers downloaded 401,196 papers in 2011, nearly 8,000 per week on average. Our annual expenses to maintain the website are around $10,000, which consists mostly of office expenses and travel. For the last several years, generous donations from the New Energy Foundation have covered about half of this cost. This year we are asking readers to chip in as well. Your donation will be tax-deductible because it will be received by the non-profit New Energy Foundation, earmarked for LENR-CANR.org. Please do your part in keeping this important resource available. In addition to maintaining the library of cold fusion resources, LENR-CANR.org has been actively involved in helping to promote the field. Read our latest paper, The Future May Be Better Than You Thinkhttp://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJthefuturem.pdf . Thank you! Jed Rothwell Librarian, LENR-CANR.org -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I thought you were multi millionaire! Well, not exactly. Anyway, I get tired of paying all expenses year after year. My other reason for doing this is that I need some income for tax purposes. If I earn nothing, the IRS will say this is a hobby instead of a business expense, and I will not be able to deduct expenses. That's what they told me. Some people have contributed already. Thank you all! - Jed
Re: [Vo]:LENR-CANR.org year-end fundraising campaign
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:56:37 -0500: Hi Jed, [snip] LENR-CANR.ORG YEAR-END FUNDRAISING CAMPAIGN Please click here to make a tax-deductible contribution to LENR-CANR.orghttp://www.infinite-energy.com/whoarewe/lenr_donate.html . I tried to donate but they insist on having my home phone number which I refuse to provide. I tried providing a fake number, but computers seem to have grown smarter these days (or maybe I'm just not smart enough ;) My basic point is that more info is demanded than is actually needed. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
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mix...@bigpond.com wrote: I tried to donate but they insist on having my home phone number which I refuse to provide. Ah. Well, putting in a telephone number is the normal thing to do when you use a credit card or debit card. I do not see how you make on-line purchases without it. Anyway, thanks for trying to donate! I do not know if Christy can handle checks. I can ask her. You can send a check to Bill Beaty instead. Pay my share to him. My basic point is that more info is demanded than is actually needed. They need phone numbers to cross check and reduce credit card fraud. Anyway, more info than needed is the marching song of the 21st century. The marketing computers at Target know you are pregnant before you yourself know it. Like Nate Silver, they can fill in the date you will die right now. http://www.mstarz.com/articles/6190/20121108/nate-silver-twitter-jokes-precise-predictions-presidential-electoral-votes-538-fivethirtyeight-com.htm @smithnoah - Wikipedia asked Nate Silver to stop adding Dates of Death to entries for people who haven't died yet. #NateSilverFacts @collision - Results ask Nate Silver if they're significant. #natesilverfacts @TrojanScientist - Before going on a date, Nate Silver calculates the prior probability of reaching third Bayes. #natesilverfacts - Jed
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OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: If we assume rich people should shoulder the entire financial burden supporting special causes don't expect to be listened to if one didn't contribute. In this business, don't expect anyone to listen even if you do contribute! I have contributed tens of thousands to various experiments and I do not recall a researcher ever listening to me. You are luck if they bother to send you the data. Heck, the MFM project was one of the few to say thank you, for $1,000. - Jed
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I'm always purchasing online and I never had to do that! 2012/11/13 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Well, putting in a telephone number is the normal thing to do when you use a credit card or debit card. I do not see how you make on-line purchases without it. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Hi Robin.. If you just use the PayPal donation button, you should need to only put in your creditcard information, instead of opening up a PayPal account (for which, they'll ask all kinds of details from you). You can donate to Jed, without having to register for a PayPal account. On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:58 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Please click here to make a tax-deductible contribution to LENR-CANR.orghttp://www.infinite-energy.com/whoarewe/lenr_donate.html I tried to donate but they insist on having my home phone number which I refuse to provide. I tried providing a fake number, but computers seem to have grown smarter these days (or maybe I'm just not smart enough ;) My basic point is that more info is demanded than is actually needed.
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Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Robin.. If you just use the PayPal donation button, you should need to only put in your creditcard information, instead of opening up a PayPal account . . . Oh yeah! That's how you should do it. Don't bother with a PayPal account. When you use an ordinary debit card the screen shows a home telephone field. I filled it in. Maybe it works without that? I don't know. (I mean I filled it in when I donated $10 to myself, to test the screen. I did not set up these screens. The Infinite Energy Webmistress did.) I should put a notice on LENR-CANR.org itself. I forgot to do that. - Jed
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In reply to Esa Ruoho's message of Wed, 14 Nov 2012 00:04:30 +0200: Hi, The paypal button just comes up with an about:blank window talking about whether or not paypal is safe to use. It doesn't actually let you do anything. Hi Robin.. If you just use the PayPal donation button, you should need to only put in your creditcard information, instead of opening up a PayPal account (for which, they'll ask all kinds of details from you). You can donate to Jed, without having to register for a PayPal account. On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:58 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Please click here to make a tax-deductible contribution to LENR-CANR.orghttp://www.infinite-energy.com/whoarewe/lenr_donate.html I tried to donate but they insist on having my home phone number which I refuse to provide. I tried providing a fake number, but computers seem to have grown smarter these days (or maybe I'm just not smart enough ;) My basic point is that more info is demanded than is actually needed. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
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In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:35:31 -0500: Hi, [snip] I don't believe Bill can handle cheques drawn on Australian banks. mix...@bigpond.com wrote: I tried to donate but they insist on having my home phone number which I refuse to provide. Ah. Well, putting in a telephone number is the normal thing to do when you use a credit card or debit card. I do not see how you make on-line purchases without it. Anyway, thanks for trying to donate! I do not know if Christy can handle checks. I can ask her. You can send a check to Bill Beaty instead. Pay my share to him. My basic point is that more info is demanded than is actually needed. They need phone numbers to cross check and reduce credit card fraud. Anyway, more info than needed is the marching song of the 21st century. The marketing computers at Target know you are pregnant before you yourself know it. Like Nate Silver, they can fill in the date you will die right now. http://www.mstarz.com/articles/6190/20121108/nate-silver-twitter-jokes-precise-predictions-presidential-electoral-votes-538-fivethirtyeight-com.htm @smithnoah - Wikipedia asked Nate Silver to stop adding Dates of Death to entries for people who haven't died yet. #NateSilverFacts @collision - Results ask Nate Silver if they're significant. #natesilverfacts @TrojanScientist - Before going on a date, Nate Silver calculates the prior probability of reaching third Bayes. #natesilverfacts - Jed Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
