Re: [Vo]:OT: Conspiracy preserving the Status Quo

2008-08-26 Thread Terry Blanton
I beg to differ. The Warren Commission Report was not credible but served a useful purpose. www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/ Terry On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 11:39 PM, R C Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The NIST has prepared their report on the collapse of bldg 7 of

Re: [Vo]:OT: Conspiracy preserving the Status Quo

2008-08-26 Thread Jones Beene
Thankfully -- A thorough point-by-point scientific response to NIST's video-game inspired computer simulation and fictional culprit (never before seen in a real fire) is being prepared by the group of Architects and Professional Engineers in the construction industry whose site was listed earlier

Re: [Vo]:OT: Conspiracy preserving the Status Quo

2008-08-25 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jones Beene wrote: --- Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Now there is a problem here, which is that large buildings are put together via welding torches which, when they are used to weld beams That is apparently FALSE for that building. Where did you get this exactly? Please give us some

Re: [Vo]:OT: Conspiracy preserving the Status Quo

2008-08-25 Thread Taylor J. Smith
Harry Veeder wrote: What does it take to ignite thermite? Hi All, Thermite can be ignited with a short thin strip of magnesium metal, which can be lit with a match. Every high school chemistry laboratory which I spent any time at always had powdered aluminum metal and iron oxide powder on

Re: [Vo]:OT: Conspiracy preserving the Status Quo

2008-08-25 Thread R C Macaulay
The NIST has prepared their report on the collapse of bldg 7 of the world trade center. NIST was funded 16 million dollars to prepare the report for posterity. It is now on file. Will it serve a useful purpose? Not unless it is credible. Richard

Re: [Vo]:OT: Conspiracy preserving the Status Quo

2008-08-24 Thread Harry Veeder
on 24/8/08 1:26 pm, Jed Rothwell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Jones does not believe cold fusion is real. He has seen incontrovertible evidence that it is real, and he has met for many days with people such as Miles and Storms, who have told him about their results in detail. But,

Re: [Vo]:OT: Conspiracy preserving the Status Quo

2008-08-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: The whole conspiracy approach is based on a profound distrust of this government. While they could not go so far as to plant explosives, how far would they go to gain an advantage by such an event? Would they make sure the planes were not stopped? That is at least

Re: [Vo]:OT: Conspiracy preserving the Status Quo

2008-08-24 Thread Jones Beene
--- Jed Rothwell wrote: Because Steve Jones has turned his back on rationality, he rushes to embrace things like the 9/11 conspiracy theories, which are every bit as daft as his notions about cold fusion. To paraphrase Lord Chesterfield's remark about God, a man who stops believing in

Re: [Vo]:OT: Conspiracy preserving the Status Quo

2008-08-24 Thread Harry Veeder
What does it take to ignite thermite? Harry on 24/8/08 2:49 pm, Jones Beene at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Jed Rothwell wrote: Because Steve Jones has turned his back on rationality, he rushes to embrace things like the 9/11 conspiracy theories, which are every bit as daft as his

Re: [Vo]:OT: Conspiracy preserving the Status Quo

2008-08-24 Thread Harry Veeder
Since thermite is so effective at cutting through steel is it ever used on construction sites as a fast and dirty substitute for cutting torches? harry

Re: [Vo]:OT: Conspiracy preserving the Status Quo

2008-08-24 Thread Harry Veeder
on 24/8/08 2:49 pm, Jones Beene at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Jones, no matter what his incorrect opinions may be on LENR- found ample chemical evidence from the WTC site and analyzed it under laboratory conditions. He found evidence of Themate !! how did he get his samples? Harry

Re: [Vo]:OT: Conspiracy preserving the Status Quo

2008-08-24 Thread Jones Beene
--- Harry: What does it take to ignite thermite? A small charge will do it, about what this officer heard: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/100207heardbombs.htm

Re: [Vo]:OT: Conspiracy preserving the Status Quo

2008-08-24 Thread Harry Veeder
on 24/8/08 3:20 pm, Jones Beene at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Harry: What does it take to ignite thermite? A small charge will do it, about what this officer heard: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/100207heardbombs.htm Could a fire ignite thermite? harry

Re: [Vo]:OT: Conspiracy preserving the Status Quo

2008-08-24 Thread Jones Beene
--- Harry wrote: how did he {Prof. Jones] get his samples? If what you are really asking is: is there a chain of custody which would stand up in court - I doubt it. The important thing for the NIST to have done, however, is NOT to have ignored this, but to have checked his sample in their

Re: [Vo]:OT: Conspiracy preserving the Status Quo

2008-08-24 Thread Jones Beene
--- Harry Could a fire ignite thermite? This brings up a curious point. There was indication in a link to the NY Architectural Press some years ago that there is/was a statute on the books in Manhattan -- which was put there in back in the time frame when a WWII bomber crashed into the Empire

Re: [Vo]:OT: Conspiracy preserving the Status Quo

2008-08-24 Thread Jones Beene
Even if you do not speak Italian - please watch this video clip from Italian TV to the end - where you can hear and see the explosions at WTC 7 for yourself. There are other vids on the web but they are much longer than this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58h0LjdMry0 Now - Then tell me

Re: [Vo]:OT: Conspiracy preserving the Status Quo

2008-08-24 Thread Harry Veeder
on 24/8/08 4:14 pm, Jones Beene at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even if you do not speak Italian - please watch this video clip from Italian TV to the end - where you can hear and see the explosions at WTC 7 for yourself. There are other vids on the web but they are much longer than this one.

Re: [Vo]:OT: Conspiracy preserving the Status Quo

2008-08-24 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:19:53 -0400: Hi, [snip] That is at least plausible. It would be a small conspiracy with only a few people involved. If you want NIST to lie about an engineering analysis, you would have to enlist thousands of experts world-wide to go

Re: [Vo]:OT: Conspiracy preserving the Status Quo

2008-08-24 Thread Jones Beene
--- Robin It isn't necessary for the scientists to lie. Just tell them to find the scientific explanation for the collapse of the building (as if it weren't already known), and they will happily trot off and create lots of lovely models to explain it. IOW they inadvertently work within the

Re: [Vo]:OT: Conspiracy preserving the Status Quo

2008-08-24 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Harry Veeder wrote: on 24/8/08 2:49 pm, Jones Beene at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Jones, no matter what his incorrect opinions may be on LENR- found ample chemical evidence from the WTC site and analyzed it under laboratory conditions. He found evidence of Themate !! how did he

Re: [Vo]:OT: Conspiracy preserving the Status Quo

2008-08-24 Thread Jones Beene
--- Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Now there is a problem here, which is that large buildings are put together via welding torches which, when they are used to weld beams That is apparently FALSE for that building. Where did you get this exactly? Please give us some cites. I hope it was not from