Re: [Vo]:Our friends in Arabia

2007-07-17 Thread Michel Jullian
A very good idea but there would need to be a political will, and for that the 
citizens themselves would have to be convinced it's good for them to pay more 
at the pump than they would without that import duty.

Michel

- Original Message - 
From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 4:58 AM
Subject: [Vo]:Our friends in Arabia


 Former CIA director James Woolsey made this insightful
 observation in this month's Futurist magazine
 
 http://www.wfs.org/futintervja07.htm
 
 If you remember, we got interested in alternative
 fuel firms like the Synfuels Corporation in the late
 seventies and then in 1985, the Saudi's dropped the
 oil down to $5 a barrel and bankrupted the Synfuels
 Corporation. 
 
 The good news is that they bankrupted the Soviet
 Union, too, but they certainly undercut alternative
 fuel efforts. People got interested in alternative
 fuels again in the early nineties, then in the late
 nineties, oil dropped down to $10 a barrel and people
 lost interest, again. One of the things that we have
 to do is make sure that this rollercoaster effect
 can't happen again.
 
 END
 
 One way to do this is a floating import duty on
 Arabian oil which will keep the price at a level where
 all the alternative biofuel, like Algoil, which we can
 make from Algae will have a ready market. We can
 exclude corn ethanol by other means.




Re: [Vo]:Our friends in Arabia

2007-07-17 Thread Horace Heffner


On Jul 16, 2007, at 6:58 PM, Jones Beene wrote:




One way to do this is a floating import duty on
Arabian oil which will keep the price at a level where
all the alternative biofuel, like Algoil, which we can
make from Algae will have a ready market. We can
exclude corn ethanol by other means.


I assume you mean a duty on all foreign oil, or all oil, and that  
would be as as there is really only one market.  I suggest a great  
way to spend the money:


http://mtaonline.net/~hheffner/LegacyPlan.pdf

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/





Re: [Vo]:Our friends in Arabia

2007-07-17 Thread OrionWorks

From Jones:



Former CIA director James Woolsey made this insightful
observation in this month's Futurist magazine

http://www.wfs.org/futintervja07.htm


...

Good article!

There is a lot of irony in the James Woosley article. It reminds me of
an obscure film I once saw back around 1980, titled The Formula
starring George C. Scott and Marlin Brando.

See:

http://www.amazon.com/Formula-George-Scott-Marlon-Brando/dp/B000KHME7U

http://tinyurl.com/3bbzvg

and Ebert's take:

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19801223/REVIEWS/12230301/1023

http://tinyurl.com/2ybpul


The film revolved around a murder espionage mystery associated with
the deliberate suppression of a chemical formula, a cheap and easy to
implement catalyst that could be used to convert ample supplies of
coal into a liquid petroleum base making (as it had been theorized
over twenty years ago) cheap and abundant oil. I won't go into the
rational of making abundant oil from coal, nor had the specter of
global warming become a hot topic of discussion. Suffice it is to
say I gather that these days there actually are a few in the industry
working on this process, and with some limited success. But I'm
getting off topic.

Getting back to this obscure little film. G. C. Scott is an
investigator hot on the trail of a murder victim, a famous chemist. He
quickly discovers that the chemist had been murdered because of his
unique knowledge of a special chemical catalyst, the formula.
Scott's investigation eventually lands him in the mansion of a major
petroleum CEO tycoon where he confronts the legendary (as well as
physically large) Marlin Brando, where we get to hear Scott
regurgitate a patriotic speech, something to the effect that ...you
are the reason we have people foraging for food out of garbage cans
these days...

Before this confrontation occurs there is a scene where the CEO is
meticulously tending the garden in the back of his lavish mansion. A
subordinate arrives with another routine report on changes in the
supply and demand of their petroleum product. At the end of the report
the subordinate smugly states that due to the complexities of how the
their extracted crude will be bought  sold through various supply
chains it will be easy to hoodwink everyone, especially the America
public, into blaming the Arabs for what is anticipated to be a another
round of price hikes. Brando straightens up from his flower bed and
releases a heavy sigh matching his heavy girth. He turns to face his
subordinate and with an exasperated expression states
matter-of-factly, You continue to forget the fact that WE are the
Arabs.

Fast forwarding to the racy present, I find incredible irony in the
premise that in order to assist our nation's vulnerable and fledgling
synfuels industry the petroleum industry must in turn continue to play
the role of ...the Arabs. Whether such conspiracies are the result
of deliberate design or, more likely, due to the way the raw egg is
rolling precariously across the kitchen counter top we the general
public are probably never likely to know the nitty-gritty of it all. I
am, however, willing to entertain the notion that there may be a few
brave souls within the petroleum industry who have figured out this
dirty little secret, as well as the irony of it all. It would seem
that the most patriotic action they can continue to pursue would be to
remain the greedy little bastards that they are. Perhaps under the
circumstances it's easy to play the role of the unsung hero.

Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com



Re: [Vo]:Our friends in Arabia

2007-07-17 Thread Jones Beene

OrionWorks wrote:


Good article!

There is a lot of irony in the James Woosley article. It reminds me of
an obscure film I once saw back around 1980, titled The Formula
starring George C. Scott and Marlin Brando.



Perfect quote from that movie (thanks to imdb) :

Adam Steiffel (Brando) Chairman of Titan Oil [aka Exxon]:

We're not in the oil business; we're in the oil shortage business!

...unless of course, Brando forgot his lines onces again, but was saved 
by the acting muse


... later in response to Arthur Clements proposing that Titan Oil raise 
 gasoline prices: The people will accept the 12 cents now because we 
can blame it on the Arabs!


Adam Steiffel: Ah, Arthur, you're missing the point: We *are* the Arabs.