Re: [Vo]:PesWiki's report on Focardi and Rossi

2011-01-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder noted the PesWiki report: http://pesn.com/2011/01/17/9501746_Focardi-Rossi_10_kW_cold_fusion_prepping_for_market/ This is a good summary. Lots of details in one place, such as the fact that Rossi says they plan to ship the first units in three months, and they are manufacturing a

Re: [Vo]:PesWiki's report on Focardi and Rossi

2011-01-18 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/18/2011 12:03 AM, Harry Veeder wrote: Rossi also says that they have had one reactor that has run continually for two years, providing heat for a factory. Slightly longer quote from the Peswiki page: Rossi also says that they have had one reactor that has run continually for

Re: [Vo]:PesWiki's report on Focardi and Rossi

2011-01-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: So if they need some electricity to control it, why don't they use the output to run a generator, and close the loop? At 10:1, they ought to be able to turn the heat output into enough electricity to drive the thing with a good bit left over.

Re: [Vo]:PesWiki's report on Focardi and Rossi

2011-01-18 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/18/2011 11:00 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com mailto:sa...@pobox.com wrote: So if they need some electricity to control it, why don't they use the output to run a generator, and close the loop? At 10:1, they ought to be able to turn the heat

Re: [Vo]:PesWiki's report on Focardi and Rossi

2011-01-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: And as to not being convinced by anything ... as long as the conclusions are based on precise heat measurements there is room for doubt. These conclusions are based on somewhat imprecise measurements, and you can be just as certain with no measurements at all.

Re: [Vo]:PesWiki's report on Focardi and Rossi

2011-01-18 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:52:45 -0500: Hi, [snip] They sure do! I wish I knew the name of that factory, and I could see photos or interviews. [snip] It's probably the factory mentioned in the patent:- A practical embodiment of the inventive apparatus, installed

Re: [Vo]:PesWiki's report on Focardi and Rossi

2011-01-18 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message From: mix...@bigpond.com mix...@bigpond.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, January 18, 2011 4:52:48 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:PesWiki's report on Focardi and Rossi In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:52:45 -0500: Hi, [snip] They sure

Re: [Vo]:PesWiki's report on Focardi and Rossi

2011-01-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote: great work Robin. I used google maps and input: via Carlo Ragazzi 18 Bondeno Ferrara. The satellite view shows something like a factory at that location. Oh brave new world! Now, if you could only zoom in and see inside the building, we'd have it.

Re: [Vo]:PesWiki's report on Focardi and Rossi

2011-01-18 Thread Rich Murray
A hidden factor of 4 increase in electric power input to a resistive heater is possible: Rich Murray 2011.01.18 1. Use four power input wires, one hidden from the floor up through the inside of each of the four table legs -- in fact table legs could conceal as many as 4 -- 9 wires each -- has

Re: [Vo]:PesWiki's report on Focardi and Rossi

2011-01-18 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
But, Rich, the input power was measured -- /not/ by Rossi -- and the setup was apparently done by the other profs, /not/ by Rossi himself. The power supply and the other paraphernalia (aside from the reactor) were apparently provided by various other profs, /not/ by Rossi. So unless you're

Re: [Vo]:PesWiki's report on Focardi and Rossi

2011-01-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com wrote: A hidden factor of 4 increase in electric power input to a resistive heater is possible: Rich Murray 2011.01.18 It would have to be a factor of 30, not 4. The power meter shows 400 W, and the output is 12 kW. 1. Use four power input wires, one hidden

Re: [Vo]:PesWiki's report on Focardi and Rossi

2011-01-18 Thread Rich Murray
Thanks for the lively counter-arguments! Say, was or was not the demo on the same table in the same corner in the same room in the same huge industrial building within which tests have been run over and over in recent months?... High voltages allow much thinner wires to carry the same energy

Re: [Vo]:PesWiki's report on Focardi and Rossi

2011-01-18 Thread mixent
In reply to Rich Murray's message of Tue, 18 Jan 2011 20:25:31 -0700: Hi, [snip] 3. Gold wires carry much more power than Cu wires... Gold is not as good a conductor as copper. Silver is slightly better. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html

Re: [Vo]:PesWiki's report on Focardi and Rossi

2011-01-17 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:06 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Personally, I'd be ecstatic if we had verified independent replication by the end of 2011. I think Andrea Rossi has made it clear that there will be no replication. He says he wants to sell product.

Re: [Vo]:PesWiki's report on Focardi and Rossi

2011-01-17 Thread Harry Veeder
Steven V Johnson wrote: In addition to Jed's recent, and highly appreciated, report on the Energy Catalyzer), I noticed that one of my latest Google news feeds keyed to Blacklight Power directed me to the pesn.com Pure Energy Systems (PesWiki) web site where a verbose (and HIGHLY