Fair enough Mary Yugo.
But surely someone else in this forum is willing to bet $200 that will go
to charity, on the E-Cat not working.
Anyone??
Or has the E-Cat already been accepted by the wide majority already? :)
Regards,
Patrick
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Mary Yugo
My bet is:
at 30 nov 2013 at least 5 companies other than Rossi's will manufacture
commercial energy
generators based on Transition Metals-H LENR.
Peter
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.comwrote:
Fair enough Mary Yugo.
But surely someone else in this forum
Hi Mary Yugo,
You might be able to get away with your pseudo-identity on long bets.
There's no harm in trying to register at the website.
Let me know how it goes.
Regards,
Patrick
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
My bet is:
at 30 nov 2013 at least 5
Good idea but you need tighter and way more specific criteria for how the
bet can be won or lost. Widely accepted is sort of vague and loose. How
about:
- said to have been properly tested and said to work by fusion or LENR as
advertised and with the net energy quotient quoted by Rossi (6:1 or
Mary Yugo is correct. The term widely accepted to produce a COP of 6
could mean anything depending on the observer and testing methodology. By
many accounts in this forum, many of whom are textually prolific, it is
already widely accepted.
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Patrick Ellul
Widely recognized could mean that Fleishman and Pons and/or Rossi will get
the nobel prize in 2013. High temperature conductivity, which is a much
lesse expressive discovery, got within 1 year. If a couple customers
confirm that e-cat works, which, if not a scam, is certainly going to
happen
Mary Yugo,
Would you take up the challenge if I state the terms to be:
More than 5 companies with at least 50 employees each publicly acknowledge
the satisfactory use of E-Cat for at least 3 months
Let me know,
Patrick
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote:
Let me think about. They'd have to be verifiable as unrelated to Rossi and
unconnected in any way other than as a client.
Rossi probably has 5 companies and he can make any claims through them as
he wants to -- for example Leonardo and Ampenergo so I don't think so. If
this thing is real, it
Ok, so let's change it to:
More than 10 companies with at least 50 employees and that Rossi has no
ownership of, each publicly acknowledge the satisfactory use of E-Cat for
at least 3 months
So?
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Let me think about.
Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com wrote:
More than 10 companies with at least 50 employees and that Rossi has no
ownership of, each publicly acknowledge the satisfactory use of E-Cat for
at least 3 months
Not good. He sold 13 to the mystery client. That may be a large fraction of
his
I'm fine with 10, makes it more challenging.
And I'd be happy to lose on such a small technicality. Would still prove my
point. And the money goes to charity.
So, Mary Yugo, what do you say?
I do have one condition though, that the challenger reveals their true
identity.
Regards,
Patrick
On
How about:
Three independent companies, each with more than 20 employees, gross
revenues exceeding $50 M/year, and having been in existence for 5
years or more, should acknowledge the use of at least 500 MJ per liter
of e-Cat. (In other words, if they have a 50 l e-Cat, they should
report the
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.comwrote:
I do have one condition though, that the challenger reveals their true
identity.
Well, that's a problem. I have no intention of discussing anything about
my identity.
Perhaps it is better to keep it simple: 'By December 2013 there will
be commercially available cold fusion reactor that can produce thermal
energy in competitive price.'
–Jouni
But you could argue there is one now -- all you have to do is place an
order with *ah hem!* Rossi.
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.comwrote:
Perhaps it is better to keep it simple: 'By December 2013 there will
be commercially available cold fusion reactor
Mary Yugo,
Yep that is a problem.
Certainly says something about your convictions if you are not able to back
them up with your real identity.
Is there anyone else who is game enough to put his real identity behind
this?
Regards,
Patrick Ellul
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Mary Yugo
Don't you think this challenge is too simple? If the ecat is true, a nobel
prize is one of the smallest achievements.
2011/11/29 Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com
I'm fine with 10, makes it more challenging.
And I'd be happy to lose on such a small technicality. Would still prove
my
This is just a novel way of giving some money to charity, while showing
your conviction right now.
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Don't you think this challenge is too simple? If the ecat is true, a nobel
prize is one of the smallest achievements.
No, what I mean is the challenge set by the charity campaign. 5 or 10
companies is insignificant. If this is true, I expect no less than a nobel
prize by 11/30/2013.
2011/11/29 Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com
This is just a novel way of giving some money to charity, while showing
your
Agree Daniel.
Yet some skeptics are not willing to put their true identity behind their
skepticism, even for such a simple challenge.
Regards,
Patrick
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
No, what I mean is the challenge set by the charity campaign. 5 or
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
No, what I mean is the challenge set by the charity campaign. 5 or 10
companies is insignificant. If this is true, I expect no less than a nobel
prize by 11/30/2013.
There is not a chance in hell the Nobel prize will ever go to anyone
associated with
Alright, so, at least 20 companies with at least 2 thousand employees will
happily announce they are using e-cats
2011/11/29 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
No, what I mean is the challenge set by the charity campaign. 5 or 10
companies is
There are not so many companies with 2000 employees. For the sake of the
prediction, it doesnt matter if they have 50 employees or 2,000. It would
still prove the technology is accepted.
Daniel, would you be willing to challenge the prediction?
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Daniel Rocha
The only way I would accept that the technology is true without testing it
is that at least 3 companies with an annual revenue of 200 million say they
are happily using it for at least 3 months. I am not able to accept the
biggest technological breakthrough of the history of mankind so easily.
Institutions don't like to become irrelevant. They would reverse their policy
and eat crow before that. They would claim they believed in its possibility all
along, but were waiting for conclusive evidence. But they wouldn't fade into
obscurity without making an attempt.
On Nov 28, 2011, at
Patrick Ellul asks:
Is there anyone else who is game enough to put his real identity behind
this?
I think what would include most anyone on this list, except Mary, and
perhaps Cude.
To hide behind the veil of anonymity on a discussion group such as this is
cowardly.
I have
: Patrick Ellul [mailto:ellulpatr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 7:38 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Put your money where your mouth is - for charity
Agree Daniel.
Yet some skeptics are not willing to put their true identity behind their
skepticism, even
Yep ok,
The long bet system accepts one name. It checks it against a credit card
number to make sure of true identity.
Glad to see that many would be up for this challenge :)
Regards,
Patrick
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Patrick Ellul
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.comwrote:
Mary Yugo,
Yep that is a problem.
Certainly says something about your convictions if you are not able to
back them up with your real identity.
No. It says that when I did reveal my identity in the past, I abused
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
To hide behind the veil of anonymity on a discussion group such as this is
cowardly.
I have followed vortex-l since the 90s, and can’t remember any dispute
between contributors which might have caused one
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