At 03:34 PM 1/15/2012, Alan Fletcher wrote:
Heck --- At $500 + $20/year I'm
going to increase my order to FOUR units.
Last I heard, Rossi was still saying you need a WATER line to the eCat. I
hope that's changed.
A few more AR blog clarifications (MY ..ok,ok : no need to respond)
1. Interface
if shielded in his lead replaceable cartridge,
would that make it acceptable to UL, etc? There is some radiation from smoke
detectors now.
Smoke detectors don't work with gamma radiation, afaik. And shielding would
take a lot more than the wall of a small cartridge for 512 keV gamma. The dose
In Aussie Guy's summary of
the key points of the show he stated "Heating is via low energy
Gammas hitting the lead shielding." I must of missed that in the
interview and will have another listen when I get time.
This sounds to me that the heat used to heat
To each other. The total momentum is 0.
2012/1/16 Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
Aussie Guy summarizing Rossi's interview...
512 keV 180 deg Gammas have been detected
180 degs relative to what?
-Mark
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
Can't this type of gamma rays be shielded (I think he meant 511 keV
gammas)? Using google I found, e.g., the following (although I don't
know how well the shielding works):
http://www.corning.com/specialtymaterials/products_capabilities/radiation_shielding_glass/Med_Pet.aspx
Further here
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Wolf Fischer wolffisc...@gmx.de wrote:
By the way: I tried to ask Rossi about this on his journal. Seems as if he
didn't like the question...
Although they don't get along, this is a common trait between the Ing
and the Snake. They only post questions and
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Although they don't get along, this is a common trait between the Ing
and the Snake.
The Ing and the Snake. . . . It took me a while to decode that. It sounds
like a 1990s cartoon show, like Pinky and the Brain.
I have ceased to read both blogs.
In Aussie Guy's summary of the key points of the show he stated Heating is
via low energy Gammas hitting the lead shielding.
In that case we'd be talking about liquid lead shielding. 3 cm would reduce 511
keV gamma by about 99%. Still - the equivalent of 10 kW x .01 would escape and
Rossi
I am not sure if the point being made is that there can't be gamma
radiation or else Rossi would be dead, or that there is gamma radiation
and so it will never be a home appliance.
The indications so far are that radiation levels are small, but not
zero. This may well allow for home usage
I was referring to this statement:
In Aussie Guy's summary of the key points of the show he stated Heating is
via low energy Gammas hitting the lead shielding.
And as I read it, it would imply that the energetic equivalent of 10 kW (or
whatever an e-cat produces) would have to be
Jed and Terry sez:
Although they don't get along, this is a common trait between
the Ing and the Snake.
The Ing and the Snake. . . . It took me a while to decode that.
It sounds like a 1990s cartoon show, like Pinky and the Brain.
I have ceased to read both blogs.
People read them?
Yamali Yamali yamaliyam...@yahoo.de mailto:yamaliyam...@yahoo.de wrote:
Smoke detectors don't work with gamma radiation, afaik.
Maybe with very VERY thick smoke?
Just imagine - two years after Fukujima a guy from Italy goes to
market with a device that emits detectable gamma
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
I think the only way it could happen would be if government regulators
opposed to cold fusion refuse to admit the machine is real, and allow it
only because they claim it does not exist.
Nonsense. First, almost
@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi on the Smart Scarecrow Show
Mark,
Rossi claimed, in the latest interview, two 511 keV gammas, going in
opposite directions, were produced and had been measured as a result of
electron-positron annihilation inside the E-Cat reactor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron
Yamali Yamali yamaliyam...@yahoo.de wrote: And as I read it, it would
imply that the energetic equivalent of 10 kW (or whatever an e-cat produces)
would have to be thermalized in the lead shielding from gamma rays. So if the
shield is 3 cm, the equivalent of about 10 kW x .01 or about 100 W
A longer exposition at
http://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/WL/media-3rd-party/Widom-LarsenChemForumsLetter.shtml
Question 3 and in a separate paper (which I hadn't looked at before) :
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/cond-mat/pdf/0509/0509269v1.pdf By Widom and Larsen:
Finally, Widom and Larsen
WL also predict an increase in surface conductivity (decrease in resistance) :
The number density of heavy electrons on a metallic hydride surface is of the
order of the number density of surface hydrogen atoms when there is a proton or
deuteron flux moving through the surface and LENR are being
I'm away from my desk, and composing on a zimbra web interface. It looks fine
in my mailer.
When I look at the vortex web archive most of my line-feeds are stripped away.
I think it isn't remembering my directive to format in text, not HTML.
A longer exposition at
http://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/WL/media-3rd-party/Widom-LarsenChemForumsLetter.shtml
Question 3
and in a separate paper (which I hadn't looked at before) :
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/cond-mat/pdf/0509/0509269v1.pdf
By Widom and Larsen:
Finally, Widom and
WL also predict an increase in surface conductivity (decrease in resistance) :
The number density of heavy electrons on a metallic hydride surface is
of the order of the number density of surface hydrogen atoms when
there is a proton or deuteron flux moving through the surface and LENR
are
If this theory is really functional, how does it explain that after the
experiment there isn't strong emission of gamma rays since all is generated
by beta decay, a good share of which has a half life of days or weeks? It's
in WL tables of decays.
How does it explain the formation of Lithium and
AG,
Thanks for this much more detailed summary! I was being too tired when I
wrote mine... Should have waited over night.
Some thoughts of mine on the interview and Rossis statements:
The thing which interests me (also in the context of the probable
quiescence problem as mentioned by Jones
Just another point from the interview:
Rossi has admitted that last year they had peaks even when the reactor
should just produce about 120C°. This problem seems to have been
resolved (because of NI), so no more peaks. Besides that NI is
especially helping in the problem of getting the
Wolf,
Heard you got a question into the program. Well down.
I think Rossi is dead right on the pricing structure. This way he will
make it very difficult for another FPE device to get into HIS market. If
he sells at a higher price then there is enough fat to allow another
competitor to
Wolf,
With a reactor temp around 600 deg C and the coolant at 120 deg C there
is a wide operational margin. As the coolant temp get to 450 deg C it is
only 150 deg C below the reactor temp. A lot less fat to play with. I
would speculate there is a much higher chance of a runaway and Ni powder
O.K Rossi says he will star to deliver domestic E-cats in September or
after it. The 1,000,000 Ecats
will be very cheap because robots will make them.
The factory is in Florida - perhaps somebody has seen it? Or is it hidden?
If it is/will be the result of something called *investment *then the
On 12-01-14 09:40 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com mailto:sa...@pobox.com wrote:
These prices are just plain silly.
He's going to manufacture furnaces for the home for $500 each.
Sure he is, like I really believe that...
On the contrary, it is quite
by the way Rossi's remark that the device can only do house heating,
is not so true.
with hot water storage like we have for electric water heater, heating
150litter at 60C when electricity is at night price,
it could be simple to use e-cat, and even more easy, because you don't have
to wait for
]:Rossi on the Smart Scarecrow Show
Wolf,
With a reactor temp around 600 deg C and the coolant at 120 deg C there
is a wide operational margin. As the coolant temp get to 450 deg C it is
only 150 deg C below the reactor temp. A lot less fat to play with. I
would speculate there is a much higher
512 keV 180 deg Gammas have been detected.
Then why is he still alive - and how can he possibly claim to put serious
effort in developing home units when from that factor alone it is abundantly
clear that none of this technology will ever run anywhere that somebody calls
home?
if shielded in his lead replaceable cartridge, would that make it acceptable to
UL, etc? There is some radiation from smoke detectors now.
- Original Message -
From: Yamali Yamali
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi
Heck --- At $500 + $20/year I'm going to increase my order to FOUR units.
It's going to be cheaper to put one in each corner of the house than to snake
any kind of HVAC line through it.
(Other than electricity ... I mean standard air ducts, mini air ducts or water).
My house is weird it's
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
Last I heard, Rossi was still saying you need a WATER line to the eCat. I
hope that's changed.
If it hasn't, I'm sure it will. All you have to do to hear just about any
claim from Rossi is to wait a bit.
Mary, have you ever actually worked in any organization where design of any
kind was done? Plans are nearly complete, then somebody comes up with a bright
idea and they are scrapped in the blink of an eye. I'm supposed to complain
because the price has gone down 10-fold? The only unusual thing
Mary, aren't you getting tired of repeating yourself all the time?
Wolf
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com schrieb:
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote: Last I heard, Rossi was
still saying you need a WATER line to the eCat. I hope that's changed. If
it hasn't, I'm sure it
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
Mary, have you ever actually worked in any organization where design of
any kind was done?
Yes. I've done considerable design work on scientific instrumentation
myself. I've also been involved in design of sales brochures
Wolf sez:
Mary, aren't you getting tired of repeating yourself all the time?
Oh for heaven's sake, Wolf. Surely you know the answer to that.
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Mary,
To be fair to both sides, I do note Zawodny has not seen a Rossi reactor
and is a competitor. So his statements do nothing to dampen Rossi's
claims. Like all scientists, he is saying it needs more money to be
thrown at it / him.
Of course it does. Rossi is at the Model T stage. Just
aha ...yeah.
by the way, imagine defkalion's offices today. I imagine some engineer
won't sleep today.
2012/1/16 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com
Mary, have you ever actually worked in any organization where design of
any kind was done? Plans are nearly complete, then somebody comes up with a
Aussie Guy summarizing Rossi's interview...
512 keV 180 deg Gammas have been detected
180 degs relative to what?
-Mark
Mark,
Rossi claimed, in the latest interview, two 511 keV gammas, going in
opposite directions, were produced and had been measured as a result of
electron–positron annihilation inside the E-Cat reactor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron%E2%80%93positron_annihilation
AG
On 1/16/2012
On 12-01-14 06:59 PM, Wolf Fischer wrote:
Hi there,
Rossi was just on the Smart Scarecrow Show. There were some new
information / clarification
...
4. Price of the Home Ecat is down to 500$
5. Ecat is thought for heating the home, not for heating the water for
showering etc.
6. Refueling
What I learned from the interview.
10 kW home E-Cat is the size of a portable computer.
Rossi calls the recharges Energy Sticks, fits with the ball point pen
refill statement.
Replacement is simple and can be done by anyone.
No H2 canisters used. Reactor stores and recycles the H2. Only
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
What I learned from the interview.
10 kW home E-Cat is the size of a portable computer.SNIP
Just curious -- you believe all that? Some of that? None of that?
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
These prices are just plain silly.
He's going to manufacture furnaces for the home for $500 each.
Sure he is, like I really believe that...
On the contrary, it is quite believable. The device is only 10 kW, which is
not enough to heat an entire
I wrote:
He's going to manufacture furnaces for the home for $500 each.
Sure he is, like I really believe that...
On the contrary, it is quite believable. The device is only 10 kW, which
is not enough to heat an entire house. . . .
I meant the pricing is believable. The price points are
Jed,
I agree. I did once design embedded control systems. The cost to Rossi
would be around $10, especially in the 1m unit pricing. Electronics
today is done for almost nothing. Retail price can however be 1,000s of
time higher, especially if you must buy that failed controller from a
single
Mary,
From what I know, there was nothing said that seemed to be out of place.
Rossi's earlier Door Knob copper reactor could reach the 10 - 20 kW
power level. It was a VERY simple design. If that is what is at the
heart of the home E-Cat, Rossi will make a fortune selling 10 kW units
for
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