Re: [Vo]:Tillerson Says China Should Be Barred From South China Sea Islands

[Daniel Rocha]

Save for China, the other countries are in a really sorry state... each of
them with its own reasons. India growth, in particular, is very irregular.
BRICS are in a worst state than EU, save for China.

Re: [Vo]:Tillerson Says China Should Be Barred From South China Sea Islands

[Jed Rothwell]

Quote from Jack Ma:


> So what if the spent on Wall Street and the Middle East was spent on the
> Mid-West of the United States, developing the industry there? That could
> change a lot.”
>

I agree with just about everything he said, except that I quibble with
this. The U.S. does not need more industry. We really are in a
post-industrial era. We need things like basic research and improvements
that reduce the need for industry and material goods. For example, with
improved telepresence and telecommuting we can reduce the need to commute,
which reduces the need for cars and roads, and reduces the maintenance
burden. Another example is improved inventory control for the food chain
from farms to grocery stores. This reduces wasted food, and spoiled food.

You can often replace hardware with software. This will be easier with the
upcoming generation of AI.

If self-driving vehicles are deployed properly, they will also reduce the
overall need for material goods. For example, there is no need to make all
vehicles as large as an automobile that carries people. You could make
millions of smaller vehicles only large enough to deliver groceries,
packages or mail. The robot vehicles in Amazon distribution warehouses are
far smaller than forklifts driven by people, but they do the same job as
those forklifts, using less energy and less materials.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Tillerson Says China Should Be Barred From South China Sea Islands

[a.ashfield]

Jack Ma had the best answer to Tillerson.

“Over the past thirty years, the Americans had thirteen wars spending 
40.2 trillion dollars,” said Ma, speaking at the World Economic Forum in 
Davos. “What if they spent a part of that money on building up the 
infrastructure, helping the white-collar and the blue-collar workers? No 
matter how strategically good it is, you’re supposed to spend money on 
your own people.”


“And the other money which I’m curious about is that when I was young, 
all I heard about America was Ford and Boeing and those big 
manufacturing companies. The last 10-20 years, all I heard about is 
Silicon Valley and Wall Street,” he continued.


“And what happened? The year 2008: the financial crisis wiped out 19.2 
trillion dollars in the USA alone and destroyed 34 million jobs 
globally. So what if the spent on Wall Street and the Middle East was 
spent on the Mid-West of the United States, developing the industry 
there? That could change a lot.”


According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute , the 
United States spent $596 billion, or 3.3 percent of its GDP, on military 
expenditure in 2015, which is higher than any other country in the 
world. In Ma’s opinion, this is partly responsible for the loss of jobs 
in America’s Rust Belt.


“So it’s not that other countries steal jobs from you guys, it is your 
strategy! You do not distribute the money in a proper way,” he summarized.


Ma also expressed the view that overall globalization was a positive 
thing as it had brought many benefits to both China and the world. 
However, it should be improved by making more room for small businesses 
rather than the current system run by the World Trade Organization 
(WTO), which was developed to protect corporate interests.


“The WTO was great but it was mainly designed for developed countries 
and big companies. There’s no opportunity for small business. We want to 
build up an EWTP – an Electronic World Trade Platform – to support young 
people, small business.”


https://youtu.be/Np-HQH_ruGY

On 1/22/2017 2:51 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote:


Doubt it.  The BRICS nations (Brazil, Russia, India, China, S.Africa) 
have launched a major global effort to provide a competitor to 
BIS/World Bank/IMF, and I seriously doubt if Russia would jeopardize 
all that by siding with U.S./Japan/Philipines on China’s expanding in 
S.China sea.


*From:*Daniel Rocha [mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 3:14 AM
*To:* John Milstone
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Tillerson Says China Should Be Barred From South 
China Sea Islands


Perhaps the strategy is to get in good terms with Russia and both 
surround China?

RE: [Vo]:Tillerson Says China Should Be Barred From South China Sea Islands

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Doubt it.  The BRICS nations (Brazil, Russia, India, China, S.Africa) have 
launched a major global effort to provide a competitor to BIS/World Bank/IMF, 
and I seriously doubt if Russia would jeopardize all that by siding with 
U.S./Japan/Philipines on China’s expanding in S.China sea.

 

From: Daniel Rocha [mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 3:14 AM
To: John Milstone
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Tillerson Says China Should Be Barred From South China Sea 
Islands

 

Perhaps the strategy is to get in good terms with Russia and both surround 
China?

Re: [Vo]:Tillerson Says China Should Be Barred From South China Sea Islands

[Daniel Rocha]

Perhaps the strategy is to get in good terms with Russia and both surround
China?