Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-16 Thread Sverre Haslund
You are absolutely correct. I am not an experienced user and I will not push this further ayway :-) Sverre Haslund 2012/9/16 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com At 05:03 AM 9/15/2012, Sverre Haslund wrote: Hmm.. my edit about SGS certificate has held for 10 minutes.Â

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: TheNextFuture, 5RR. I predict a block any day for TheNextFuture. This is an SPA, likely the sock of a banned user. New users don't file AfDs in their first few edits. . . . All these arcane acronyms: SPA, AfD, blah, blah. As I said, Wikipedia

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-16 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:54 AM 9/16/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: TheNextFuture, 5RR. I predict a block any day for TheNextFuture. This is an SPA, likely the sock of a banned user. New users don't file AfDs in their first few edits. . . .

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-15 Thread Sverre Haslund
Hmm.. my edit about SGS certificate has held for 10 minutes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Catalyzer#Commercial_plans Sverre Haslund 2012/9/15 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com At 05:33 PM 9/14/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: At 04:18 PM 9/14/2012, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-15 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:03 AM 9/15/2012, Sverre Haslund wrote: Hmm.. my edit about SGS certificate has held for 10 minutes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Catalyzer#Commercial_planshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Catalyzer#Commercial_plans Sverre Haslund Eek. Page history shows revert warring

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-14 Thread Wolf Fischer
Thanks for this answer! Very informative! On a side note: The shutdownrossi.com site has been deleted. I of course don't know why, perhaps it has been hacked... ;) Wolf Wolf Fischer wolffisc...@gmx.de mailto:wolffisc...@gmx.de wrote: Out of curiosity: Has there ever been a scam in

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-14 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:48 PM 9/13/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Alan J Fletcher mailto:a...@well.coma...@well.com wrote: Thanks to AK for the correct link (which I'd already fixed on the wiki -- though even my comments in talk have been collapsed -- and I'm being threatened with arbitration.) 'Dat's how it

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-14 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 04:18 PM 9/14/2012, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Well, very funny, Jed. However, Mr. Fletcher is essentially clueless as to what would be acceptable as a source for Wikipedia. I looked about and didn't see where he was threatened with arbitration, which is weird. The last thing that the cabal

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-14 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 03:33 PM 9/14/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: I remember now why I gave up in December last year. But I thought it was my turn to put in a shift or two at the coalface (or whatever). I'm now getting my feet wet in Cold Fusion ... let's see how quick THEY are. (Some of the players are the

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-13 Thread Terry Blanton
Rossi also claimed CE certification a year ago. I found no such certification under any of his or his wife's company names. T

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-13 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Andrea Rossi September 13th, 2012 at 1:45 AM Dear Giuseppe B.: Mr “Gary Wright” ( a false name that the coward snake – The Snake- is using for cowardice, has contacted SGS in an unproper way and has put an unproper question. So he published on his newbogusenergybricolage that we do not have a

RE: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-13 Thread Jones Beene
Is he saying that S. Krivit and Gary Wright are one and the same individual? From: Alan J Fletcher . Andrea Rossi September http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=733cpage=1#comment-320805 13th, 2012 at 1:45 AM Dear Giuseppe B.: Mr Gary Wright ( a false name that the

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-13 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-09-12 23:04, Harry Veeder wrote: This blog called Shut down Rossi can't find any evidence that safety certificate was issue by SGS as Rossi claims. Here's the safety certificate by SGS: http://www.scribd.com/doc/105839897/EFA-rep-1107 Source:

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: This blog called Shut down Rossi can't find any evidence that safety certificate was issue by SGS as Rossi claims. Here's the safety certificate by SGS: I'll be darned! How do you like that?! As I have often said, Rossi says all kinds of

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-13 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 12:55 PM 9/13/2012, Akira Shirakawa wrote: On 2012-09-12 23:04, Harry Veeder wrote: This blog called Shut down Rossi can't find any evidence that safety certificate was issue by SGS as Rossi claims. Here's the safety certificate by SGS: http://www.scribd.com/doc/105839897/EFA-rep-1107

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-13 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-09-13 22:09, Jed Rothwell wrote: I'll be darned! How do you like that?! [...] Hmm... hold on! Read this on the bottom of page 2: This certificate relates solely to the above identified prototype machine within the limits of the request for voluntary testing of essential health and

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-13 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 01:19 PM 9/13/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: I gleefully added it to the wiki (and deletion discussion) !!! Of course it's been deleted already as a primary source with zero relevance

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-13 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Now for the questions -- the certificate states 200kW IN, 1MW out -- does the certification confirm those numbers?

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-13 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 01:42 PM 9/13/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Now for the questions -- the certificate states 200kW IN, 1MW out -- does the certification confirm those numbers? The directive is at http://eur-lex.europa.eu/smartapi/cgi/sga_doc?smartapi!celexplus!prod!CELEXnumdoclg=ENnumdoc=32006L0032 but it

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote . . . or translated, I guess, the small print: This certificate relates solely to the above identified prototype machine within the limits of the request for voluntary testing of essential health and safety requirements relevant to Annex I of

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-13 Thread Wolf Fischer
Still - didn't SGS have to test this prototype in some way to find out if it runs within their safety parameters? How did they run these tests? Wolf Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com mailto:shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote . . . or translated, I guess, the small print: This

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-13 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 02:03 PM 9/13/2012, Wolf Fischer wrote: Still - didn't SGS have to test this prototype in some way to find out if it runs within their safety parameters? How did they run these tests? Here's a clear copy as a PDF file : (I'd only seen the jpg)

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-13 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-09-13 23:03, Wolf Fischer wrote: Still - didn't SGS have to test this prototype in some way to find out if it runs within their safety parameters? How did they run these tests? Try checking if you can find that out in the following link. This is the EC directive under which the 1MW

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Wolf Fischer wolffisc...@gmx.de wrote: Still - didn't SGS have to test this prototype in some way to find out if it runs within their safety parameters? How did they run these tests? I think you are right. I was poking fun at this, but Rossi is quite right to say that his reactor has been

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-13 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Thanks to AK for the correct link (which I'd already fixed on the wiki -- though even my comments in talk have been collapsed -- and I'm being threatened with arbitration.) Article 5 and Annex I indicate that this is at least a pre-requisite for commercial sale, and that other regulations may

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: Thanks to AK for the correct link (which I'd already fixed on the wiki -- though even my comments in talk have been collapsed -- and I'm being threatened with arbitration.) 'Dat's how it woiks at Wikipedia. First 'dey collapse you. 'Den they arbitrate you.

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-13 Thread Craig Haynie
Can someone confirm the power output? The certificate says: Power In: 200 kw (max) Power Out: 1MW Water flow rate: 1500 kg/h Temperature in: 85C Temperature out: 120C Craig

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-13 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 02:58 PM 9/13/2012, Craig Haynie wrote: Can someone confirm the power output? The certificate says: Power In: 200 kw (max) Power Out: 1MW Water flow rate: 1500 kg/hr Temperature in: 85C Temperature out: 120C As AK pointed out, this particular certificate doesn't certify the

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-13 Thread Wolf Fischer
Out of curiosity: Has there ever been a scam in which a safety certificate from a big and independent organization has been granted? Wolf At 02:58 PM 9/13/2012, Craig Haynie wrote: Can someone confirm the power output? The certificate says: Power In: 200 kw (max) Power Out: 1MW Water flow

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Wolf Fischer wolffisc...@gmx.de wrote: Out of curiosity: Has there ever been a scam in which a safety certificate from a big and independent organization has been granted? Interesting question. I do not know much about scams. I do not have a comprehensive database of them. Perhaps such a

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-13 Thread Daniel Rocha
Andrea Rossi September 13th, 2012 at 3:54 PM Dear Brian: The reports are under NDA. Also the testing done is under NDA The SGS engineers have worked for the safety certification, not for the product certifications, therefore they did not work on the COP issue. Warm Regards, A.R.

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-13 Thread Harry Veeder
I think so, because newbogusenergybricolage sounds like an allusion to Kirvit's newenergytimes.com. harry On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Is he saying that S. Krivit and “Gary Wright” are one and the same individual? From: Alan J Fletcher .

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-12 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Harry: This blog called Shut down Rossi can't find any evidence that safety certificate was issue by SGS as Rossi claims. http://shutdownrossi.com/?page_id=1774 this is hilarious. I guess I shouldn't be surprised. How many wannabe rossi related websites are there now? Regards Steven

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder wrote: This blog called Shut down Rossi can't find any evidence that safety certificate was issue by SGS as Rossi claims. This person has it in for Rossi, doesn't he? Rossi rubs people the wrong way. Why worry about Rossi? Who has he hurt, other than himself? If he is all that

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-12 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-09-12 23:04, Harry Veeder wrote: I suppose it is possible that the certificate was issued under a different company name because SGS only confirms that a certificate was not issued to any of the companies listed by the owner of Shut down Rossi I would say it's highly probable that the