Re: [Vo]:some news coming from Italy
The natural light-element ratio of equal protons and neutron numbers is prevented in beryllium by the extreme instability of 8Be toward alpha decay, which is favored due to the extremely tight binding of 4He nuclei. The half-life for the decay of 8Be is only 6.7(17)×10−17 seconds. (from Wikipedia) You would not expect to find Be-8 in the ash. Bob - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:some news coming from Italy If you remember this from the report. Besides the analyzed elements it has been found that the fuel also contains rather high concentrations of C, Ca, Cl, Fe, Mg, Mn and these are not found in the ash. These elements were transmuted to SOMETHING. My guess is lithium. No Be-8 was found in the ash so the Be gambit is not possible. On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:32 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: Peter and others-- From your blog notes and with respect to Bo Hoistadt's comments I have the following observations: Be-8 decay to 2 alphas, as is commonly observed, involves excess kinetic energy of the alphas equivalent to the loss of mass in the decay. In the E-Cat reaction, if Be-8 is formed and decays to 2 alphas, the decay happens without the mass showing up as kinetic energy of the alphas. Another possibility is that the mass shows up as spin energy of the alphas and is lost to the rest of a coherent system via spin coupling with many small quanta being distributed through the coherent system. Of course this is a coupling that may have been engineered by Rossi (maybe with the application of magnetic fields) and is not apparent in previous observations of Be-8 decay. This could explain Bo Hoistadt's question regarding the lack of EM radiation from energetic alpha particles traversing matter. There are no energetic alphas in the E-Cat. SPP entities may provide the spin coupling required, and/or the orbital spin of the system's electrons may also provide coupling to the alphas, which may only exist as transient particles with high spin energy states. This entire question highlights the desirability of monitoring for He as an ash from the E-Cat reaction. Bob Cook - Original Message - From: Peter Gluck To: Arik El Boher ; Brian Ahern ; CMNS ; Dagmar Kuhn ; doug marker ; Dr. Braun Tibor ; eCatNews ; Gabriel Moagar-Poladian ; Gary ; Haiko Lietz ; jeff aries ; Lewan Mats ; Nicolaie N. Vlad ; Peter Mobberley ; Pierre Clauzon ; Roberto Germano ; Roy Virgilio ; Sunwon Park ; vlad ; VORTEX ; Mark Tsirlin ; David Daggett ; Valerio Ciampoli ; Peter Schlosser ; Bo Hoistadt Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:30 AM Subject: [Vo]:some news coming from Italy Dear Friends, Festina lente- describes well the situation evolution of LENR at least at the surface. Some teams are working really hard and smart. For today I have published: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/12/daily-shared-lenr-questions-december-17.html Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:some news coming from Italy
Peter and others-- From your blog notes and with respect to Bo Hoistadt's comments I have the following observations: Be-8 decay to 2 alphas, as is commonly observed, involves excess kinetic energy of the alphas equivalent to the loss of mass in the decay. In the E-Cat reaction, if Be-8 is formed and decays to 2 alphas, the decay happens without the mass showing up as kinetic energy of the alphas. Another possibility is that the mass shows up as spin energy of the alphas and is lost to the rest of a coherent system via spin coupling with many small quanta being distributed through the coherent system. Of course this is a coupling that may have been engineered by Rossi (maybe with the application of magnetic fields) and is not apparent in previous observations of Be-8 decay. This could explain Bo Hoistadt's question regarding the lack of EM radiation from energetic alpha particles traversing matter. There are no energetic alphas in the E-Cat. SPP entities may provide the spin coupling required, and/or the orbital spin of the system's electrons may also provide coupling to the alphas, which may only exist as transient particles with high spin energy states. This entire question highlights the desirability of monitoring for He as an ash from the E-Cat reaction. Bob Cook - Original Message - From: Peter Gluck To: Arik El Boher ; Brian Ahern ; CMNS ; Dagmar Kuhn ; doug marker ; Dr. Braun Tibor ; eCatNews ; Gabriel Moagar-Poladian ; Gary ; Haiko Lietz ; jeff aries ; Lewan Mats ; Nicolaie N. Vlad ; Peter Mobberley ; Pierre Clauzon ; Roberto Germano ; Roy Virgilio ; Sunwon Park ; vlad ; VORTEX ; Mark Tsirlin ; David Daggett ; Valerio Ciampoli ; Peter Schlosser ; Bo Hoistadt Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:30 AM Subject: [Vo]:some news coming from Italy Dear Friends, Festina lente- describes well the situation evolution of LENR at least at the surface. Some teams are working really hard and smart. For today I have published: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/12/daily-shared-lenr-questions-december-17.html Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:some news coming from Italy
If you remember this from the report. Besides the analyzed elements it has been found that the fuel also contains rather high concentrations of C, Ca, Cl, Fe, Mg, Mn and these are not found in the ash. These elements were transmuted to SOMETHING. My guess is lithium. No Be-8 was found in the ash so the Be gambit is not possible. On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:32 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: Peter and others-- From your blog notes and with respect to Bo Hoistadt's comments I have the following observations: Be-8 decay to 2 alphas, as is commonly observed, involves excess kinetic energy of the alphas equivalent to the loss of mass in the decay. In the E-Cat reaction, if Be-8 is formed and decays to 2 alphas, the decay happens without the mass showing up as kinetic energy of the alphas. Another possibility is that the mass shows up as spin energy of the alphas and is lost to the rest of a coherent system via spin coupling with many small quanta being distributed through the coherent system. Of course this is a coupling that may have been engineered by Rossi (maybe with the application of magnetic fields) and is not apparent in previous observations of Be-8 decay. This could explain Bo Hoistadt's question regarding the lack of EM radiation from energetic alpha particles traversing matter. There are no energetic alphas in the E-Cat. SPP entities may provide the spin coupling required, and/or the orbital spin of the system's electrons may also provide coupling to the alphas, which may only exist as transient particles with high spin energy states. This entire question highlights the desirability of monitoring for He as an ash from the E-Cat reaction. Bob Cook - Original Message - *From:* Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com *To:* Arik El Boher elboh...@missouri.edu ; Brian Ahern ahern_br...@msn.com ; CMNS c...@googlegroups.com ; Dagmar Kuhn dagmar.k...@gmx.de ; doug marker dsmar...@gmail.com ; Dr. Braun Tibor br...@mail.iif.hu ; eCatNews p...@ecatnews.com ; Gabriel Moagar-Poladian gamo...@yahoo.com ; Gary g...@garywright.com ; Haiko Lietz h...@haikolietz.de ; jeff aries arias...@aol.com ; Lewan Mats mats.le...@nyteknik.se ; Nicolaie N. Vlad nicolaienv...@gmail.com ; Peter Mobberley petermobber...@hotmail.com ; Pierre Clauzon pierre.clau...@orange.fr ; Roberto Germano germ...@promete.it ; Roy Virgilio r.virgi...@gmail.com ; Sunwon Park swp...@kaist.ac.kr ; vlad v...@zpenergy.com ; VORTEX vortex-l@eskimo.com ; Mark Tsirlin tsirlin.m...@hotmail.com ; David Daggett david.l.dagg...@gmail.com ; Valerio Ciampoli v.ciamp...@anaf.eu ; Peter Schlosser schloss...@t-online.de ; Bo Hoistadt bo.hois...@physics.uu.se *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:30 AM *Subject:* [Vo]:some news coming from Italy Dear Friends, Festina lente- describes well the situation evolution of LENR at least at the surface. Some teams are working really hard and smart. For today I have published: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/12/daily-shared-lenr-questions-december-17.html Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
