Re: [vos-d] [philosophical] VOS as AI
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 27 Mar 2006, Hugh Perkins wrote: Something I've been thinking about a lot is replication and migration of computation. If a VOS AI bot could upload itself to other servers (given proper credentials, of course) it could quite literally wander from server to server, well beyond the purview of the creator. Unlike a virus or worm, it would retain memories of what it had seen and done, so it could learn as it travels. VOS would provide the environment for this new kind of artifical life. Whoa, that sounds like Skyn*carrier lost* Peter, this sounds awesome. Rather than Terminator, I was actually thinking more like Lawnmower Man, where at the very end Job manages to "upload himself to the Internet"... Unfortunately the sequel totally squandered the potential by bringing Job's physical body back to life, rather than having him be a ghost in the machine that lived in the network and controls things from the background. A similar idea occurs in the end of The Otherland series, where a couple of the characters (Orlando and Sellars) become part of the "Otherland" simulation when their physical bodies die. But I'm getting off track in to Wired-hype territory here :-) [ Peter Amstutz ][ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ][ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [Lead Programmer][Interreality Project][Virtual Reality for the Internet] [ VOS: Next Generation Internet Communication][ http://interreality.org ] [ http://interreality.org/~tetron ][ pgpkey: pgpkeys.mit.edu 18C21DF7 ] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEJ3BxaeHUyhjCHfcRAts9AJ9KBV7kQJywnabfB8mxtm8vdebjGwCgpElX daFcFlaTgpANbUCogLSK1hQ= =cWK3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ vos-d mailing list vos-d@interreality.org http://www.interreality.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vos-d
Re: [vos-d] [philosophical] VOS as AI
> Something I've been thinking about a lot is replication and migration ofcomputation. If a VOS AI bot could upload itself to other servers (givenproper credentials, of course) it could quite literally wander from server to server, well beyond the purview of the creator. Unlike a virus orworm, it would retain memories of what it had seen and done, so it couldlearn as it travels. VOS would provide the environment for this new kind of artifical life. Whoa, that sounds like Skyn*carrier lost* Peter, this sounds awesome. ___ vos-d mailing list vos-d@interreality.org http://www.interreality.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vos-d
Re: [vos-d] [philosophical] VOS as AI
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 A few comments... VOS grew out of my work for the Multi-Agent Systems Laboratory at the University of Massachusetts. Multi-Agent Systems is, broadly states, the study of distributed AI systems. At the time we were developing a simulator which tied together software agents using a protocol called KQML (Knowledge Query and Manipulation Language). This was a fairly anemic message-passing protocol, and the limitations of it inspired me to build something better. So VOS as an infrastructure to support intellegent agents has always been on my mind. Building "knowledge networks" using a graph structure of idea nodes and relations is nothing new, but it is certainly a very powerful concept which has not been fully explored in mainstream applications, I think. The closest example I can think of is the use of free-form tagging on some web sites, where you can create new categories for your content on the fly, and relate that content based on shared tags. As we discussed on IRC last night, dmiles has for a while been planning on using VOS as the underlying database for an inference engine, in which case you would quite literally have "knowledge objects" and parent/child links that relate them. Something I've been thinking about a lot is replication and migration of computation. If a VOS AI bot could upload itself to other servers (given proper credentials, of course) it could quite literally wander from server to server, well beyond the purview of the creator. Unlike a virus or worm, it would retain memories of what it had seen and done, so it could learn as it travels. VOS would provide the environment for this new kind of artifical life. On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, Lalo Martins wrote: Just a random thought... can probably be reused in some piece of documentation. The VOS object model neatly matches the way some people believe our memory works. A Vobject maps to a "concept". Each concept is a discrete, very abstract atom, meaningless in itself. Each concept can have an unlimited number (theoretically unlimited; there are probably upper bounds that we haven't reached) of connections to other concepts, each connection labeled and directional. Although a connection is directional, you can navigate it both ways. The concept acquires meaning trough its network of connections to other concepts. A Property maps to a "memory", which is a piece of "concrete" sensorial data �- a word, an image, a taste, hunger, pain, etc. It can connect to concepts just like a concept, so in terms of OOP, it "is" also a concept. [ Peter Amstutz ][ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ][ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [Lead Programmer][Interreality Project][Virtual Reality for the Internet] [ VOS: Next Generation Internet Communication][ http://interreality.org ] [ http://interreality.org/~tetron ][ pgpkey: pgpkeys.mit.edu 18C21DF7 ] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEJxgsaeHUyhjCHfcRArIbAJ9XOAx9kvV2hMPEkNaaEzQCGzAXvgCfToxZ vVQPGulozbQOw23X+JCd3HE= =ULLq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ vos-d mailing list vos-d@interreality.org http://www.interreality.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vos-d
Re: [vos-d] [philosophical] VOS as AI
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Well, it's probably not a coincidence, actually :) Reed Lalo Martins wrote: > Just a random thought... can probably be reused in some piece of > documentation. > > The VOS object model neatly matches the way some people believe our > memory works. > > A Vobject maps to a "concept". Each concept is a discrete, very > abstract atom, meaningless in itself. Each concept can have an > unlimited number (theoretically unlimited; there are probably upper > bounds that we haven't reached) of connections to other concepts, each > connection labeled and directional. Although a connection is > directional, you can navigate it both ways. The concept acquires > meaning trough its network of connections to other concepts. > > A Property maps to a "memory", which is a piece of "concrete" sensorial > data - a word, an image, a taste, hunger, pain, etc. It can connect to > concepts just like a concept, so in terms of OOP, it "is" also a concept. > > best, >Lalo Martins > -- > So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, >then they seem improbable, and then, when we >summon the will, they soon become inevitable. > -- > personal: http://www.laranja.org/ > technical:http://lalo.revisioncontrol.net/ > GNU: never give up freedom http://www.gnu.org/ > > > ___ > vos-d mailing list > vos-d@interreality.org > http://www.interreality.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vos-d -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEJVtLFK83gN8ItOQRAiQ6AJ4+9RDpmG46KfoARZ6FPEsKBBmppgCfc9QG w9nxqKHndXSqcP9DAT9+4DE= =l7C/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ vos-d mailing list vos-d@interreality.org http://www.interreality.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vos-d
[vos-d] [philosophical] VOS as AI
Just a random thought... can probably be reused in some piece of documentation. The VOS object model neatly matches the way some people believe our memory works. A Vobject maps to a "concept". Each concept is a discrete, very abstract atom, meaningless in itself. Each concept can have an unlimited number (theoretically unlimited; there are probably upper bounds that we haven't reached) of connections to other concepts, each connection labeled and directional. Although a connection is directional, you can navigate it both ways. The concept acquires meaning trough its network of connections to other concepts. A Property maps to a "memory", which is a piece of "concrete" sensorial data - a word, an image, a taste, hunger, pain, etc. It can connect to concepts just like a concept, so in terms of OOP, it "is" also a concept. best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon the will, they soon become inevitable. -- personal: http://www.laranja.org/ technical:http://lalo.revisioncontrol.net/ GNU: never give up freedom http://www.gnu.org/ ___ vos-d mailing list vos-d@interreality.org http://www.interreality.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vos-d
