Re: [vox-tech] libstdc++ and sgi and hp?
On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 01:40:34PM -0400, Hai Yi wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Brian Lavender wrote:
> > I thought the STL was renamed to the Standard Library. I thought the
> > article was interesting where Stephanov described how C++ programmers
> > tried to form generics (or however you call it) using the object
> > oriented approach and it would invariably fail. The STL (or standard
> > library ) is a great thing and it is hard to imagine C++ without it.
> >
> >
> According to "Effective C++", STL and Standard Library is not superset
> of either. STL concentrates on algorithm, iterator, containers,
> functors and maybe, allocator, while standard library includes part(if
> not all) STL, besides, it has io packages and C89 library,etc.
>
Is the following considered a part of the "Standard Library"?
This is an example from Yolinux.com
#include
#include
#include
using namespace std;
main()
{
vector SS;
SS.push_back("The number is 10");
SS.push_back("The number is 20");
SS.push_back("The number is 30");
cout << "Loop by index:" << endl;
int ii;
for(ii=0; ii < SS.size(); ii++)
{
cout << SS[ii] << endl;
}
vector::reverse_iterator rii;
for(rii=SS.rbegin(); rii!=SS.rend(); ++rii)
{
cout << *rii << endl;
}
}
--
Brian Lavender
http://www.brie.com/brian/
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Re: [vox-tech] libstdc++ and sgi and hp?
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Brian Lavender wrote: > I thought the STL was renamed to the Standard Library. I thought the > article was interesting where Stephanov described how C++ programmers > tried to form generics (or however you call it) using the object > oriented approach and it would invariably fail. The STL (or standard > library ) is a great thing and it is hard to imagine C++ without it. > > According to "Effective C++", STL and Standard Library is not superset of either. STL concentrates on algorithm, iterator, containers, functors and maybe, allocator, while standard library includes part(if not all) STL, besides, it has io packages and C89 library,etc. > On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 09:56:40AM -0400, Hai Yi wrote: >> it seems to me Stepanov is good at convincing people so that he was >> able to push his ideas and make his marks no matter where he was, >> hehe. >> >> And libstdc++, anyone knows the history? (Wiki redirect this item to >> "C++ standard Library") >> >> Hai >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Ken Bloom wrote: >> > On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 19:51 -0700, Jeff Newmiller wrote: >> >> Hai Yi wrote: >> >> > I've been reading some general stuff about C++, it appears to me that >> >> > in unix/linux, libstdc++ is a c++ implementation from gnu, but there >> >> > are the sgi and hp's copyright info in the header files like >> >> > /usr/include/c++/4.3/vector . I used to use sgi's stl website as >> >> > reference (http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/ ), which gave me an impression >> >> > that this company used to be a big contributor to C++ (or STL? ) >> >> > standardization; however, from wiki, it appears HP is the one behind >> >> > the STL effort. >> >> > >> >> > Anyone can have a brief history lesson about libstdc++, sgl and hp's >> >> > relations in regard to STL? >> >> >> >> Alexander Stepanov might [1][2] have something to say about the latter >> >> two, but I don't think he reads this mailing list. >> >> >> >> [1] http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/drdobbs-interview.html >> >> [2] http://www.stlport.org/resources/StepanovUSA.html >> >> >> > >> > Sounds from these articles and Wikipedia like: >> > >> > Alexander Stepanov is the contributor, and whatever company employs him >> > at the time is the one behind the the STL effort. So the earliest >> > conceptual work in generic programming was stuff Stepanov did at GE and >> > later AT&T. Stepanov must have started working with generic programming >> > in C++ when he was at HP (and he published a full STL while he was >> > there). He then did further development on the STL at SGI, and that's >> > the version that's standardized. >> > >> > There are other languages these days that also seem to do a good job at >> > generic programming, in particular Haskell, and dynamic languages like >> > Ruby. >> > >> > --Ken >> > ___ >> > vox-tech mailing list >> > vox-tech@lists.lugod.org >> > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech >> > >> ___ >> vox-tech mailing list >> vox-tech@lists.lugod.org >> http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > > -- > Brian Lavender > http://www.brie.com/brian/ > ___ > vox-tech mailing list > vox-tech@lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] libstdc++ and sgi and hp?
On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 09:56:40AM -0400, Hai Yi wrote: > it seems to me Stepanov is good at convincing people so that he was > able to push his ideas and make his marks no matter where he was, > hehe. Well, I've definitely looked at the HP STL, and the SGI STL, and SGI's definitely has some differences and SGI's version matches the standard, there's no question that at some point the cutting edge work on the STL moved from HP to SGI. The only question was why. When I read in one of Stepanov's interviews that he was part of the SGI group, I understood why. Having a project like this follow its creator from company to company is actually not so unusual. --Ken -- Chanoch (Ken) Bloom. PhD candidate. Linguistic Cognition Laboratory. Department of Computer Science. Illinois Institute of Technology. http://www.iit.edu/~kbloom1/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] libstdc++ and sgi and hp?
I thought the STL was renamed to the Standard Library. I thought the article was interesting where Stephanov described how C++ programmers tried to form generics (or however you call it) using the object oriented approach and it would invariably fail. The STL (or standard library ) is a great thing and it is hard to imagine C++ without it. On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 09:56:40AM -0400, Hai Yi wrote: > it seems to me Stepanov is good at convincing people so that he was > able to push his ideas and make his marks no matter where he was, > hehe. > > And libstdc++, anyone knows the history? (Wiki redirect this item to > "C++ standard Library") > > Hai > > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Ken Bloom wrote: > > On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 19:51 -0700, Jeff Newmiller wrote: > >> Hai Yi wrote: > >> > I've been reading some general stuff about C++, it appears to me that > >> > in unix/linux, libstdc++ is a c++ implementation from gnu, but there > >> > are the sgi and hp's copyright info in the header files like > >> > /usr/include/c++/4.3/vector . I used to use sgi's stl website as > >> > reference (http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/ ), which gave me an impression > >> > that this company used to be a big contributor to C++ (or STL? ) > >> > standardization; however, from wiki, it appears HP is the one behind > >> > the STL effort. > >> > > >> > Anyone can have a brief history lesson about libstdc++, sgl and hp's > >> > relations in regard to STL? > >> > >> Alexander Stepanov might [1][2] have something to say about the latter > >> two, but I don't think he reads this mailing list. > >> > >> [1] http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/drdobbs-interview.html > >> [2] http://www.stlport.org/resources/StepanovUSA.html > >> > > > > Sounds from these articles and Wikipedia like: > > > > Alexander Stepanov is the contributor, and whatever company employs him > > at the time is the one behind the the STL effort. So the earliest > > conceptual work in generic programming was stuff Stepanov did at GE and > > later AT&T. Stepanov must have started working with generic programming > > in C++ when he was at HP (and he published a full STL while he was > > there). He then did further development on the STL at SGI, and that's > > the version that's standardized. > > > > There are other languages these days that also seem to do a good job at > > generic programming, in particular Haskell, and dynamic languages like > > Ruby. > > > > --Ken > > ___ > > vox-tech mailing list > > vox-tech@lists.lugod.org > > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > > > ___ > vox-tech mailing list > vox-tech@lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech -- Brian Lavender http://www.brie.com/brian/ ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] libstdc++ and sgi and hp?
it seems to me Stepanov is good at convincing people so that he was able to push his ideas and make his marks no matter where he was, hehe. And libstdc++, anyone knows the history? (Wiki redirect this item to "C++ standard Library") Hai On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Ken Bloom wrote: > On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 19:51 -0700, Jeff Newmiller wrote: >> Hai Yi wrote: >> > I've been reading some general stuff about C++, it appears to me that >> > in unix/linux, libstdc++ is a c++ implementation from gnu, but there >> > are the sgi and hp's copyright info in the header files like >> > /usr/include/c++/4.3/vector . I used to use sgi's stl website as >> > reference (http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/ ), which gave me an impression >> > that this company used to be a big contributor to C++ (or STL? ) >> > standardization; however, from wiki, it appears HP is the one behind >> > the STL effort. >> > >> > Anyone can have a brief history lesson about libstdc++, sgl and hp's >> > relations in regard to STL? >> >> Alexander Stepanov might [1][2] have something to say about the latter >> two, but I don't think he reads this mailing list. >> >> [1] http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/drdobbs-interview.html >> [2] http://www.stlport.org/resources/StepanovUSA.html >> > > Sounds from these articles and Wikipedia like: > > Alexander Stepanov is the contributor, and whatever company employs him > at the time is the one behind the the STL effort. So the earliest > conceptual work in generic programming was stuff Stepanov did at GE and > later AT&T. Stepanov must have started working with generic programming > in C++ when he was at HP (and he published a full STL while he was > there). He then did further development on the STL at SGI, and that's > the version that's standardized. > > There are other languages these days that also seem to do a good job at > generic programming, in particular Haskell, and dynamic languages like > Ruby. > > --Ken > ___ > vox-tech mailing list > vox-tech@lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] libstdc++ and sgi and hp?
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 19:51 -0700, Jeff Newmiller wrote: > Hai Yi wrote: > > I've been reading some general stuff about C++, it appears to me that > > in unix/linux, libstdc++ is a c++ implementation from gnu, but there > > are the sgi and hp's copyright info in the header files like > > /usr/include/c++/4.3/vector . I used to use sgi's stl website as > > reference (http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/ ), which gave me an impression > > that this company used to be a big contributor to C++ (or STL? ) > > standardization; however, from wiki, it appears HP is the one behind > > the STL effort. > > > > Anyone can have a brief history lesson about libstdc++, sgl and hp's > > relations in regard to STL? > > Alexander Stepanov might [1][2] have something to say about the latter > two, but I don't think he reads this mailing list. > > [1] http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/drdobbs-interview.html > [2] http://www.stlport.org/resources/StepanovUSA.html > Sounds from these articles and Wikipedia like: Alexander Stepanov is the contributor, and whatever company employs him at the time is the one behind the the STL effort. So the earliest conceptual work in generic programming was stuff Stepanov did at GE and later AT&T. Stepanov must have started working with generic programming in C++ when he was at HP (and he published a full STL while he was there). He then did further development on the STL at SGI, and that's the version that's standardized. There are other languages these days that also seem to do a good job at generic programming, in particular Haskell, and dynamic languages like Ruby. --Ken ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] libstdc++ and sgi and hp?
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 07:51:59PM -0700, Jeff Newmiller wrote: > Hai Yi wrote: > > I've been reading some general stuff about C++, it appears to me that > > in unix/linux, libstdc++ is a c++ implementation from gnu, but there [snip] > > Alexander Stepanov might [1][2] have something to say about the latter > two, but I don't think he reads this mailing list. > > [1] http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/drdobbs-interview.html > [2] http://www.stlport.org/resources/StepanovUSA.html I was under the impression SGI was the one, seeing how all the docs have been on their site. Good to see the stuff still exists on the SGI website, as SGI is now completely dead. http://www.sgi.com/company_info/newsroom/press_releases/2009/april/rackable.html brian -- Brian Lavender http://www.brie.com/brian/ ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] libstdc++ and sgi and hp?
they are insightful interviews, interesting to read. Thanks! On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Jeff Newmiller wrote: > Hai Yi wrote: >> I've been reading some general stuff about C++, it appears to me that >> in unix/linux, libstdc++ is a c++ implementation from gnu, but there >> are the sgi and hp's copyright info in the header files like >> /usr/include/c++/4.3/vector . I used to use sgi's stl website as >> reference (http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/ ), which gave me an impression >> that this company used to be a big contributor to C++ (or STL? ) >> standardization; however, from wiki, it appears HP is the one behind >> the STL effort. >> >> Anyone can have a brief history lesson about libstdc++, sgl and hp's >> relations in regard to STL? > > Alexander Stepanov might [1][2] have something to say about the latter > two, but I don't think he reads this mailing list. > > [1] http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/drdobbs-interview.html > [2] http://www.stlport.org/resources/StepanovUSA.html > > -- > --- > Jeff Newmiller The . . Go Live... > DCN: Basics: ##.#. ##.#. Live Go... > Live: OO#.. Dead: OO#.. Playing > Research Engineer (Solar/Batteries O.O#. #.O#. with > /Software/Embedded Controllers) .OO#. .OO#. rocks...1k > --- > ___ > vox-tech mailing list > vox-tech@lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] libstdc++ and sgi and hp?
Hai Yi wrote: > I've been reading some general stuff about C++, it appears to me that > in unix/linux, libstdc++ is a c++ implementation from gnu, but there > are the sgi and hp's copyright info in the header files like > /usr/include/c++/4.3/vector . I used to use sgi's stl website as > reference (http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/ ), which gave me an impression > that this company used to be a big contributor to C++ (or STL? ) > standardization; however, from wiki, it appears HP is the one behind > the STL effort. > > Anyone can have a brief history lesson about libstdc++, sgl and hp's > relations in regard to STL? Alexander Stepanov might [1][2] have something to say about the latter two, but I don't think he reads this mailing list. [1] http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/drdobbs-interview.html [2] http://www.stlport.org/resources/StepanovUSA.html -- --- Jeff NewmillerThe . . Go Live... DCN:Basics: ##.#. ##.#. Live Go... Live: OO#.. Dead: OO#.. Playing Research Engineer (Solar/BatteriesO.O#. #.O#. with /Software/Embedded Controllers) .OO#. .OO#. rocks...1k --- ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] libstdc++ and sgi and hp?
I've been reading some general stuff about C++, it appears to me that in unix/linux, libstdc++ is a c++ implementation from gnu, but there are the sgi and hp's copyright info in the header files like /usr/include/c++/4.3/vector . I used to use sgi's stl website as reference (http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/ ), which gave me an impression that this company used to be a big contributor to C++ (or STL? ) standardization; however, from wiki, it appears HP is the one behind the STL effort. Anyone can have a brief history lesson about libstdc++, sgl and hp's relations in regard to STL? Thanks! Hai ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
