Re: [vox-tech] dkim on vox-tech
On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 09:48:58AM -0700, Brian E. Lavender wrote: > I talked to one our members and he said he didn't get a message > fromt he vox-tech list that he sent. He has a gmail account. > I have a mail server I manage that is connected to Comcast business > and I had to implement dkim on outbound messages so that they would > make it to gmail. I wonder if we need to put dkim on the vox mailing > list? Can you confirm that it didn't get to the list? (Check archives) Stupid question, but is he subscribed? Most vox-* lists just discard junk from non-subscribers -- it doesn't even hold them. (I only do that for vox-jobs@ (and maybe one other) since it's more likely to get drive-by posts, and isn't much of a "discussion" list.) If I _happen_ to look and notice an actual legin email from a non-subscriber, I fwd it to the list on their behalf (and I typically point out "they sent it from a non-subscribed address" at the top). USUALLY it's someone trying to post to the list, who is subscribed under a different email address than the one they actually tried to post from. Thanks, -bill! ___ vox-tech mailing list [email protected] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] dkim on vox-tech
On 04/29/2016 09:48 AM, Brian E. Lavender wrote: I talked to one our members and he said he didn't get a message fromt he vox-tech list that he sent. Common, many lists and mail servers suppress email from yourself. To not do so risks infinite loops from broken vacation messages and the like. He has a gmail account. I have a mail server I manage that is connected to Comcast business and I had to implement dkim on outbound messages so that they would make it to gmail. I wonder if we need to put dkim on the vox mailing list? In my experience adding DKIM or not, doesn't change much. Gmail does add a nice little green ball with a "signed by: ", but it doesn't effect spam scores and the like much or at all. With all that said I think DKIM is useful, but mailing lists have to decide to do one of: A) not touch any headers DKIM decides to sign, like for instance the subject line and signature. B) resign all message from dkim. I like the later option since (IMO) the mailing list should verify incoming email, apply anti-virus, and anti-spam. Then if it passes all that it should resign. That way all subscribers can be sure it's actually email from the list not a forgery that looks like it's from the list. Sadly email is pretty much a lost cause for security, privacy, and authenticity. If you do a really good job of it, it's not really email anymore. ___ vox-tech mailing list [email protected] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] dkim on vox-tech
Yes, gmail hides duplicates. If you sent the email there is no way in gmail to verify that the list received it within gmail. You'd have to look at the online archives or cc some other email of yours. Alex On 04/29/2016 10:35 AM, Foo Lim wrote: > I had the experience where gmail filters out email from myself. Not sure if > that's what's happening. > > On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Brian E. Lavender wrote: > >> I talked to one our members and he said he didn't get a message >> fromt he vox-tech list that he sent. He has a gmail account. >> I have a mail server I manage that is connected to Comcast business >> and I had to implement dkim on outbound messages so that they would >> make it to gmail. I wonder if we need to put dkim on the vox mailing >> list? >> >> brian >> -- >> Brian Lavender >> http://www.brie.com/brian/ >> >> "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to >> make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other >> way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." >> >> Professor C. A. R. Hoare >> The 1980 Turing award lecture >> ___ >> vox-tech mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech >> > > > > ___ > vox-tech mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > ___ vox-tech mailing list [email protected] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] dkim on vox-tech
I had the experience where gmail filters out email from myself. Not sure if that's what's happening. On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Brian E. Lavender wrote: > I talked to one our members and he said he didn't get a message > fromt he vox-tech list that he sent. He has a gmail account. > I have a mail server I manage that is connected to Comcast business > and I had to implement dkim on outbound messages so that they would > make it to gmail. I wonder if we need to put dkim on the vox mailing > list? > > brian > -- > Brian Lavender > http://www.brie.com/brian/ > > "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to > make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other > way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." > > Professor C. A. R. Hoare > The 1980 Turing award lecture > ___ > vox-tech mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > ___ vox-tech mailing list [email protected] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
