Re: [Vserver] Anounce: CentOS 5 guest image
Daniel Hokka Zakrisson wrote: Sandino Araico Sánchez wrote: Yum is marked unstable in Gentoo. It works sometimes but i got used to unpacking the guest image and running a script that creates the config directory and the config file... It takes me about 20 minutes to setup a new vservar and have it running What config file? You're also aware of vserver ... build -m template, yes? I am aware of build -m template but most of the parameters are the same for all my vservers so I hardcoded them in a script so I can use it with a small config file with only the values that change. It's not rocket science to create a config directory with all the correct values. The script is not general purpose. It's designed for the defaults I use in all my vservers (no more than 50 lines of code)... It's not intended to reinvent the build -m template; It's just a customization for my service. 20 minutes does seem like a long time, especially if it doesn't include downloading the guest. What else is your script doing? 20 minutes from registering the new vserver in the DNS, connecting to the server, to creating the new vserver, verifying everything works and sending notification to the customer Yum in Gentoo is sensitive to upgrades of dependencies; it breaks easily Whenever Yum breaks It's easier to unpack a guest image than revdep-rebuild. So, pin the few packages it does depend on? Seems to me like you're unnecessarily complicating the procedure. LibXML2 with USE=python (for example) ... My opinion is that the host server installation should be as minimal as possible and as hardened as possible Yum depends on ~10 packages I don't need for anything else. I can install yum and revdep-rebuild every time It breaks (I know it breaks every now and then), but I don't gain a huge beneffit over unpacking a host image and running a configuration script.. Now, think about supporting not only CentOS but also Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, Slackware, Gentoo, SuSE, an embedded system a friend jut cooked, I will end up with lots and lots of new dependency packages and several distinct installation procedures instead of a single unified procedure of unpacking a host image and running a configuration script. Perhaps you are underestimating the usefulness of host images... Perhaps a general purpose procedure could be a build -m template install followed by unpacking a host image of the Linux distro of your choice. If you have many vservers with many different distros you don't need to install all the distro-specific tools; you just need to unpack the host image and that's it. -- Sandino Araico Sánchez edce71952773051c884f6a49cc194445 8a3ac99fbf88d0c58677ffd9706081bb5471b756 2bc1ad9b84e28ba8725ee0008c80a7f0 5945bcf00844d5a421f7b66e3c5c28467e48f2bc -- 2d188949024d886941f4dff4f500918d 510f47aeec377edb804439a0dae774b9d94269b9 0732340cb5d7e7e456e091f11ae3dcb1 f78a9751c2b8f4af0b56f9f175f20172c2c38847 ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] Anounce: CentOS 5 guest image
On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 08:16:41AM -0500, Sandino Araico Sánchez wrote: Daniel Hokka Zakrisson wrote: Sandino Araico Sánchez wrote: Yum is marked unstable in Gentoo. It works sometimes but i got used to unpacking the guest image and running a script that creates the config directory and the config file... It takes me about 20 minutes to setup a new vservar and have it running What config file? You're also aware of vserver ... build -m template, yes? I am aware of build -m template but most of the parameters are the same for all my vservers so I hardcoded them in a script so I can use it with a small config file with only the values that change. It's not rocket science to create a config directory with all the correct values. The script is not general purpose. It's designed for the defaults I use in all my vservers (no more than 50 lines of code)... It's not intended to reinvent the build -m template; It's just a customization for my service. 20 minutes does seem like a long time, especially if it doesn't include downloading the guest. What else is your script doing? 20 minutes from registering the new vserver in the DNS, connecting to the server, to creating the new vserver, verifying everything works and sending notification to the customer Yum in Gentoo is sensitive to upgrades of dependencies; it breaks easily Whenever Yum breaks It's easier to unpack a guest image than revdep-rebuild. So, pin the few packages it does depend on? Seems to me like you're unnecessarily complicating the procedure. LibXML2 with USE=python (for example) ... My opinion is that the host server installation should be as minimal as possible and as hardened as possible Yum depends on ~10 packages I don't need for anything else. I can install yum and revdep-rebuild every time It breaks (I know it breaks every now and then), but I don't gain a huge beneffit over unpacking a host image and running a configuration script.. Now, think about supporting not only CentOS but also Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, Slackware, Gentoo, SuSE, an embedded system a friend jut cooked, I will end up with lots and lots of new dependency packages and several distinct installation procedures instead of a single unified procedure of unpacking a host image and running a configuration script. Perhaps you are underestimating the usefulness of host images... Perhaps a general purpose procedure could be a build -m template install followed by unpacking a host image of the Linux distro of your choice. If you have many vservers with many different distros you don't need to install all the distro-specific tools; you just need to unpack the host image and that's it. hum, that is what the template build method usually does? (from vserver - build --help) template... -- (-t tarball)+ [-d distribution] ... installs a guest using tarball(s) best, Herbert -- Sandino Araico Sánchez edce71952773051c884f6a49cc194445 8a3ac99fbf88d0c58677ffd9706081bb5471b756 2bc1ad9b84e28ba8725ee0008c80a7f0 5945bcf00844d5a421f7b66e3c5c28467e48f2bc -- 2d188949024d886941f4dff4f500918d 510f47aeec377edb804439a0dae774b9d94269b9 0732340cb5d7e7e456e091f11ae3dcb1 f78a9751c2b8f4af0b56f9f175f20172c2c38847 ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] Anounce: CentOS 5 guest image
Sandino Araico Sánchez wrote: In case somebody finds it useful, here it is: http://mirrors.sandino.net/vserver/images/centos-5-i686-2007-07-14.tar.bz2 http://mirrors.sandino.net/vserver/images/centos-5-i686-2007-07-14.tar.bz2.md5 http://mirrors.sandino.net/vserver/images/centos-5-i686-2007-07-14.tar.bz2.asc It was cooked from a CentOS 5 stage2 image snip Not to rain on your parade, but you're aware of vserver ... build -m yum ... -- -d centos5 which will automatically build a CentOS 5 guest, right? -- Daniel Hokka Zakrisson ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] Anounce: CentOS 5 guest image
Daniel Hokka Zakrisson wrote: Sandino Araico Sánchez wrote: In case somebody finds it useful, here it is: http://mirrors.sandino.net/vserver/images/centos-5-i686-2007-07-14.tar.bz2 http://mirrors.sandino.net/vserver/images/centos-5-i686-2007-07-14.tar.bz2.md5 http://mirrors.sandino.net/vserver/images/centos-5-i686-2007-07-14.tar.bz2.asc It was cooked from a CentOS 5 stage2 image snip Not to rain on your parade, but you're aware of vserver ... build -m yum ... -- -d centos5 which will automatically build a CentOS 5 guest, right? That's right, but yum does not always work on Debian or Gentoo hosts. -- Sandino Araico Sánchez edce71952773051c884f6a49cc194445 8a3ac99fbf88d0c58677ffd9706081bb5471b756 2bc1ad9b84e28ba8725ee0008c80a7f0 5945bcf00844d5a421f7b66e3c5c28467e48f2bc -- 2d188949024d886941f4dff4f500918d 510f47aeec377edb804439a0dae774b9d94269b9 0732340cb5d7e7e456e091f11ae3dcb1 f78a9751c2b8f4af0b56f9f175f20172c2c38847 ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] Anounce: CentOS 5 guest image
Sandino Araico Sánchez wrote: That's right, but yum does not always work on Debian or Gentoo hosts. Oh? Details? Both Debian and Gentoo have packages for yum, so that sounds like bug(s) which should be reported to the maintainers... -- Daniel Hokka Zakrisson ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] Anounce: CentOS 5 guest image
Daniel Hokka Zakrisson wrote: Sandino Araico Sánchez wrote: That's right, but yum does not always work on Debian or Gentoo hosts. Oh? Details? Both Debian and Gentoo have packages for yum, so that sounds like bug(s) which should be reported to the maintainers... Yum is marked unstable in Gentoo. It works sometimes but i got used to unpacking the guest image and running a script that creates the config directory and the config file... It takes me about 20 minutes to setup a new vservar and have it running Yum in Gentoo is sensitive to upgrades of dependencies; it breaks easily Whenever Yum breaks It's easier to unpack a guest image than revdep-rebuild. I have used debootstrap in Gentoo to create Debian vservers and It works just fine. About Yum in Debian I don't know about It's stability status but I have only seen it working few times -- Sandino Araico Sánchez edce71952773051c884f6a49cc194445 8a3ac99fbf88d0c58677ffd9706081bb5471b756 2bc1ad9b84e28ba8725ee0008c80a7f0 5945bcf00844d5a421f7b66e3c5c28467e48f2bc -- 2d188949024d886941f4dff4f500918d 510f47aeec377edb804439a0dae774b9d94269b9 0732340cb5d7e7e456e091f11ae3dcb1 f78a9751c2b8f4af0b56f9f175f20172c2c38847 ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
