Re: Telstra starts censoring the internet

2011-07-10 Thread Paul K
No need to apologise :) -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au

Re: Telstra starts censoring the internet

2011-07-10 Thread Paul K
So if I agree with Matt's Ridiculous viewpoint is that bad? ;) The irony in this threat is quite galling. I cannot imagine the kind of complaints it may have 'contracted'. That is because I likely have a very different viewpoint. Different viewpoint, not bad viewpoint. Or offensive, or in

Re: Telstra starts censoring the internet

2011-07-09 Thread Dark1
I certainly think that censorship of the internet is a completely relevant topic. Censorship might of been in place for generations on books, films and songs but it hasn't been in place (for most countries, including Australia) at all yet for the internet and should it be implemented it's

Re: Telstra starts censoring the internet

2011-07-09 Thread Tim Law
I've always been mindful that this is a Mac user group, and any computer query that I have that is not specifically Mac related, I do not post here. Whirlpool for example is a much more appropriate forum for broader policy discussion such as this. http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/ Tim On

Re: Telstra starts censoring the internet

2011-07-09 Thread Matthew Healey
That depends entirely on what sort of internet connection I buy. Sure if I use one of those 3G wireless sticks then yes, my connection is being NAT'd. If I buy a business internet account then I can get a nice little /16 with a fully routed connection. If I buy a fibre connection from Amcom

Re: Telstra starts censoring the internet

2011-07-09 Thread Rob Davies
Morning All, This post is contracting some complaints, and Matthews response with due Respect is Ridiculous. So, I have responded of list to Matthew and apologise to WAMUG. Cheers! `RobD... On 09Jul2011, at 10:37 pm, Matthew Healey wrote: That depends entirely on what sort of internet

Re: Telstra starts censoring the internet

2011-07-08 Thread Rob Davies
Hi Matthew, I would hate to burst your bubble, but if you are connecting via PPoE, you connection is being NAT'd, monitored and filtered. This is in response to peoples lack of understanding of how networks function, do you think ISP's will give people access without some form of control.

Re: Telstra starts censoring the internet

2011-07-07 Thread Matthew Healey
On 06/07/2011, at 11:00 AM, Neil Houghton wrote: Yes, I have to agree. I have used OpenDNS for quite some time now – started when there was a DNS security scare some time ago – the scare soon came went as the ISPs got on top of it but I left it set up with open DNS anyway. It occasionally

Re: Telstra starts censoring the internet

2011-07-07 Thread cm
Hi Matt, While I am not in favour censoring, we as yet have no indication at all that Telstra will do anything other than block child porn sites -- which to me isn't a bad thing. The worst case scenario is that some corrupt official manages to gain control of this process and by some as yet

Re: Telstra starts censoring the internet

2011-07-07 Thread Neil Houghton
I don't know about Google DNS - never tried it - but I have had the OpenDNS servers set as the DNS servers in my Billion router for a couple of years (at least) now and have noticed NO slowdown whatsoever. I didn't bother with setting up an Open DNS account - I just use their DNS servers. I

Re: Telstra starts censoring the internet

2011-07-07 Thread Paul K
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:09 PM, cm cm200...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Matt, While I am not in favour censoring, we as yet have no indication at all that Telstra will do anything other than block child porn sites -- which to me isn't a bad thing. The worst case scenario is that some corrupt

Re: Telstra starts censoring the internet

2011-07-07 Thread Ronda Brown
On 07/07/2011, at 4:52 PM, Paul K wrote: On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:09 PM, cm cm200...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Matt, While I am not in favour censoring, we as yet have no indication at all that Telstra will do anything other than block child porn sites -- which to me isn't a bad thing. The

Re: Telstra starts censoring the internet

2011-07-07 Thread Rob Davies
Evening, If you are a Telstra customer and connected by such you are being filtered. DNS as Ronni has stated before is to change an IP address into english, a URL. Most sites they are chasing are IP based, so the filtering will be done before it reaches DNS servers. OpenDNS servers are based

Re: Telstra starts censoring the internet

2011-07-07 Thread Matthew Healey
Hi Rob, Don't confuse filtering with censoring. I can choose not to use SPAM filters or Virus Scanners. That's the difference. As Ronni mentioned, the problem is that once the infrastructure is in place to block web sites at will, then those in power will use that ability to their advantage.

Re: Telstra starts censoring the internet

2011-07-07 Thread cm
Hi all, I personally would like to see a more measured level of discussion on the WAMUG site. It would be unfortunate if a persons who visits the site looking for technical knowledge is driven away by fear of a heated political debate. There are many other places on the internet where we can

Re: Telstra starts censoring the internet

2011-07-05 Thread Paul K
Hi, Political opinions when they relate to information technology issues too? Cheers Paul -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe -

Re: Telstra starts censoring the internet

2011-07-05 Thread Eugene
This is a technology forum and I am open to any discussion that informs me of matters that may effect me.I applaud balanced, educated opinions related to technology even if they're political issues like National Broadband. How else will I keep informed without being influenced by our biased media?

Re: Telstra starts censoring the internet

2011-07-05 Thread Tom Hogarth
OMG Some people would say *simply *owning an apple mac computer is a political statement just try making fun of a PC based user with ''so youre using the dark side?'' and see how some take the bait some dont I would strongly suggest if anyone feels that comic or sarcastic asides about systems,

Re: Telstra starts censoring the internet

2011-07-05 Thread Neil Houghton
Yes, I have to agree. I have used OpenDNS for quite some time now ­ started when there was a DNS security scare some time ago ­ the scare soon came went as the ISPs got on top of it but I left it set up with open DNS anyway. It occasionally refuses to load some sites which are on some

Re: Telstra starts censoring the internet

2011-07-04 Thread Jennifer Lefroy
Is the WAMUG mailing list really the appropriate place to express political opinions? I would prefer to see them left out. Regards, Jennifer On 4 July 2011 08:18, Paul K logry...@gmail.com wrote: Groovy, policy through magic. What is this, Hogwarts? -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing

Re: Telstra starts censoring the internet

2011-07-03 Thread Matthew Healey
This is the payoff for winning the NBN contract. You'll note that Internode, who was very vocal in opposition to the filter, has been all but shut out of the NBN. Conroy needs the Family First loonies to support Labor to retain government. This is what it cost. On 03/07/2011, at 11:13 AM,

Re: Telstra starts censoring the internet

2011-07-03 Thread Paul K
Groovy, policy through magic. What is this, Hogwarts? -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au

Telstra starts censoring the internet

2011-07-02 Thread Matthew Healey
http://delimiter.com.au/2011/07/01/telstras-interpol-filter-goes-live/ Apparently Telstra is now censoring the connections of it's customers. Initially they appear to be doing it under the guise of child pornography, but I would expect them to start widening that fairly soon. Stephen Conroy

Re: Telstra starts censoring the internet

2011-07-02 Thread Paul K
Different to the Govt.'s filter? I agree with you Matt. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au