Re: Join "Fon WiFi"

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Daniel,

As you know I have always been very suspicious of anything Telstra “Offers - 
Free”!
Don’t you just ‘adore’ this bit from Telstra under SECURITY…  (There is NO 
SECURITY)!
To their credit (if I have to give Telstra any credit), they at least warn 
users… if Users read all the documentation ;-)

/Begin Quote:
"How secure is the Telstra Air Network?
Providing a secure and easy Wi-Fi experience for customers is important to us.  
 
Like most public Wi-Fi services, browsing sessions on Telstra Air are open with 
the communication between a computing device and the wireless point 
unencrypted. We recommend to customers that it’s okay to use the service for 
general web browsing and for streaming content, however any activity that 
requires a secure connection such as internet banking should be done via a 
mobile or fixed broadband service.
 
If customers are wanting to share personal information when they're out and 
about should consider:
• Using a mobile network connection
• Using a VPN app which in initiates the exclusive connection from the 
computing device
• Or checking that the site they would like to use has HTTPS to protect 
their exchanged data before proceeding. HTTPS is in wide use on popular sites 
such as Facebook which started offering it in 2011. 
What customer information is collected when connected to a Telstra Air hotspot?
Once you are confirmed as a member of the Telstra Air network we don't monitor 
your internet usage other than how much data you use from your Fixed Broadband 
account.
/End Quote:

What a joke that last bit ‘Re ‘We don’t monitor your internet usage...'

I’m out of here after adding my 5c on the subject (only 5c as it was a short 
reply) ;-))

Regards,
Ronni

> On 15 Oct 2017, at 9:58 am, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
> 
> Telstra Air and FON networks (in my opinion) I feel are one of the 
> “strangest” things around,..and in fact I’m unsure how Telstra actually get 
> away with it.
> People that have recent Telstra modems generally are also one where these two 
> “free” networks are sent out from.
> 
> For example. You have a Telstra modem, and it broadcasts the network you use 
> (e.g. Telstra1AB234 and Telstra 1AB234-5G). These are the two you would 
> expect to see. However, the modem also broadcasts Telstra Air and FON 
> networks from that same modem as well. So effectively it’s broadcasting 4 
> networks. Two that are the ones you use with your own password and two which 
> are ones that a Telstra customer can join with their own Telstra details to 
> log in to it.
> So, effectively if someone did join it. they are logged on to your modem. 
> However it’s “seperate” from your network, so in theory they can’t access any 
> of your things. And from what I understand it doesn’t affect your quota. But 
> as I see it, it would be using your bandwidth. (I could be wrong on this 
> part, as I haven’t fully looked into that part).
> 
> And the other thing which is also a bit annoying, is that you can’t actually 
> turn this off without calling Telstra (though recently you can log in to your 
> Telstra account and are meant to be able to turn it off there now as well! 
> You can log in to the modem and see the networks are broadcasting (by logging 
> into the modem interface using something like 10.1.1.1 or 192.168.0.1 or 
> 192.168.1.1 or something similar to that). But even being logged in , you 
> can’t de-activate it from there! 
> 
> As I see it, this is how Telstra are making their “Telstra Air network” cover 
> all of Australia. In using modem spread around that anyone can join. But my 
> issue with it is, that a lot of people don’t realise it’s from their own 
> modem. And, how did they advise they were happy with their modem being part 
> of the “large Telstra pool of internet” to make this. More then likely it’s 
> in the “Terms and Conditions” that everyone reads and agrees to. :)) 
> I had one client that had 5 people on his network downloading movies and TV 
> shows and lots of streaming. We could actually see the download speed 
> decrease when it was on. When we turned off Wireless for the two “Free” 
> Telstra networks, we then saw the speed increase. Perhaps this was a 
> coincidence, but to me common sense would have to say that more people on a 
> freeway, the slower the traffic is going to be. So the same would apply to a 
> modem and internet speed as well. And when I explain that their Telstra modem 
> is more then likely the one broadcasting these networks (and show them in the 
> interface page) they’re quite surprised and asked how they turned it on! (and 
> most importantly how do they turn that off, as they don’t want other people 
> using their modem). 
> 
> Again, I could be wrong here, but it just seems like a bit of a sneaky way to 
> supply internet to other people. Surely if it was something that was going to 
> be OK, it would be spelt out very clearly so people could opt in to it when 
> 

Re: Join "Fon WiFi"

[Daniel Kerr]

Telstra Air and FON networks (in my opinion) I feel are one of the “strangest” 
things around,..and in fact I’m unsure how Telstra actually get away with it.
People that have recent Telstra modems generally are also one where these two 
“free” networks are sent out from.

For example. You have a Telstra modem, and it broadcasts the network you use 
(e.g. Telstra1AB234 and Telstra 1AB234-5G). These are the two you would expect 
to see. However, the modem also broadcasts Telstra Air and FON networks from 
that same modem as well. So effectively it’s broadcasting 4 networks. Two that 
are the ones you use with your own password and two which are ones that a 
Telstra customer can join with their own Telstra details to log in to it.
So, effectively if someone did join it. they are logged on to your modem. 
However it’s “seperate” from your network, so in theory they can’t access any 
of your things. And from what I understand it doesn’t affect your quota. But as 
I see it, it would be using your bandwidth. (I could be wrong on this part, as 
I haven’t fully looked into that part).

And the other thing which is also a bit annoying, is that you can’t actually 
turn this off without calling Telstra (though recently you can log in to your 
Telstra account and are meant to be able to turn it off there now as well! You 
can log in to the modem and see the networks are broadcasting (by logging into 
the modem interface using something like 10.1.1.1 or 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.1.1 
or something similar to that). But even being logged in , you can’t de-activate 
it from there! 

As I see it, this is how Telstra are making their “Telstra Air network” cover 
all of Australia. In using modem spread around that anyone can join. But my 
issue with it is, that a lot of people don’t realise it’s from their own modem. 
And, how did they advise they were happy with their modem being part of the 
“large Telstra pool of internet” to make this. More then likely it’s in the 
“Terms and Conditions” that everyone reads and agrees to. :)) 
I had one client that had 5 people on his network downloading movies and TV 
shows and lots of streaming. We could actually see the download speed decrease 
when it was on. When we turned off Wireless for the two “Free” Telstra 
networks, we then saw the speed increase. Perhaps this was a coincidence, but 
to me common sense would have to say that more people on a freeway, the slower 
the traffic is going to be. So the same would apply to a modem and internet 
speed as well. And when I explain that their Telstra modem is more then likely 
the one broadcasting these networks (and show them in the interface page) 
they’re quite surprised and asked how they turned it on! (and most importantly 
how do they turn that off, as they don’t want other people using their modem). 

Again, I could be wrong here, but it just seems like a bit of a sneaky way to 
supply internet to other people. Surely if it was something that was going to 
be OK, it would be spelt out very clearly so people could opt in to it when 
they signed up to Telstra. Rather then it just being on when they get the 
modems. And like others have seen here, it’s annoying sometimes as some devices 
jump to that open network straight away rather then to their own network, so 
then it has to be changed back (or ignored, or removed from settings etc). So 
it can be a bit of a pain too.

Some more info on it -
https://crowdsupport.telstra.com.au/t5/Broadband-nbn/Telstra-Air-Frequently-Asked-Questions/ta-p/473504
https://www.telstra.com.au/telstra-air/at-home
I particularly like this last link and where it says,…
/quote
Can I opt out?
…...By deactivating Telstra Air, you won’t be able to access our network of 
hotspots in Australia or overseas with your home broadband service.
/end quote

In other words,…if you won’t play with us, we’re taking our ball and going 
home. ;) Turn off our network at your house,..you can’t use our free Telstra 
Air network elsewhere. That s sounds like a tantrum,….lol.

Now as mentioned, this is just my personal opinion and take on this,…so I could 
be a little wrong, or perhaps I’m missing something to understand it all and 
how it works. But I’m judging it on what I’ve seen out and about when working. 
I do realise the Telstra phone boxes do the same sort of thing as well, so some 
is coming from there, but I think a lot of it is coming from people’s home 
modems (generally).

Sorry for the long post, (and any mistakes as I don’t re-read what I write 
somedays,….lol). Just thought I’d offer my 15cents on it (it used to be 2cents 
but the price of everything went up,…don’t get me started on that,….lol).
I’ll leave it there for food for thought, and go back to getting ready for my 
Sunday family activities,…hehe. 

Enjoy!
Kind regards
Daniel

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Re: Join "Fon WiFi"

[Peter Crisp]

HI Walter, I was getting this to in the apartment I am in. It is annoying to 
have this pop up like it is. I think it is simply telstra saying “we’ve got 
wifi where you are located and you can connect to our service”. I use my own 
controlled wifi 4G service so ignore it.

Pete.
> On 15 Oct 2017, at 8:40 am, FW  wrote:
> 
> Good morning,
> 
> A screen frequently pops up while I am in Safari:
> 
> “Join Fon WiFi”
> 
> from Telstra. Is this something legit ? Or scam ?
> 
> Cheers
> Walter
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Re: Join "Fon WiFi"

[FW]

Thanks Ronni,

I don’t think I need it

Cheers
W.

> On 15 Oct 2017, at 08:54 , Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
> That’s Telstra Air Network - hotspots across Australia
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPhone 7 Plus
> 
>> On 15 Oct 2017, at 8:40 am, FW  wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning,
>> 
>> A screen frequently pops up while I am in Safari:
>> 
>> “Join Fon WiFi”
>> 
>> from Telstra. Is this something legit ? Or scam ?
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Walter
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Re: Join "Fon WiFi"

[Ronda Brown]

That’s Telstra Air Network - hotspots across Australia

Sent from Ronni's iPhone 7 Plus

> On 15 Oct 2017, at 8:40 am, FW  wrote:
> 
> Good morning,
> 
> A screen frequently pops up while I am in Safari:
> 
> “Join Fon WiFi”
> 
> from Telstra. Is this something legit ? Or scam ?
> 
> Cheers
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[FW]

Good morning,

A screen frequently pops up while I am in Safari:

“Join Fon WiFi”

from Telstra. Is this something legit ? Or scam ?

Cheers
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Re: Bootable Backup?

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Blitto,

Short answer... Yes! Carbon Copy Cloner 5 is fully supported.

“High Sierra is here. APFS is here. We're ready for both, and we've got you 
covered. APFS, HFS, encrypted, not encrypted, FileVault – whatever your source 
or destination, we support all of these combinations in CCC 5. We've tested so 
many different scenarios, we put the results into a chart to keep track of 
them.”
CCC can clone your High Sierra SSD to an SSD or an HDD that is formatted as 
either HFS or APFS.
CCC can restore an HFS-formatted High Sierra backup to an APFS or HFS volume.
CCC can make bootable APFS backups.
CCC can make bootable HFS backups.
You can mix and match APFS and HFS sources and destinations – CCC will make the 
destination bootable.
https://bombich.com/blog/2017/09/26/resuming-your-bootable-backups-after-upgrading-high-sierra

Cheers,
Ronni

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> On 15 Oct 2017, at 5:34 am, Rod Blitvich  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> Ronni’s great Upgrade advice includes creating a bootable backup.
> 
> Is Carbon Copy Cloner 5 the idiot-proof solution for this?
> How long will it take?
> Thanks
> Blitto
> 
> 
> 
> 
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How long will it take?
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Re: Prepare to upgrade to macOS High Sierra 10.13

[Marcus Harris]

Hi Ronni, My iMac is 10.1 running Sierra. May I have a copy of your update 
instructions too please. 
Cheers

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> On 9 Oct 2017, at 6:58 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Blitto, Peter, and Peter,
> 
> I’ve posted to you ‘Offlist’, the better Prepare To Upgrade to High Sierra 
> 10.13 PDF version.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
>> On 9 Oct 2017, at 3:30 pm, Ronda Brown > > wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve done the document ‘Prepare to Upgrade to macOS High Sierra 10.13’ in 
>> Pages App and export it as a PDF for clients & family.
>> If any member would like a copy I’ will send it to you ‘OffList’.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>> 
>> 
>> On 9 Oct 2017, at 12:21 pm, Ronni Brown > > wrote:
>> 
>>> I have posted information earlier to the list about High Sierra.
>>> There have been people who have upgraded to High Sierra without first 
>>> preparing to upgrade.
>>> So please don’t make the mistake of upgrading without first preparing for 
>>> macOS High Sierra 10.13.
>>> 
>>> Prepare to upgrade to macOS High Sierra 10.13
>>> 
>>> Make sure your computer can run High Sierra 
>>> iMac models from late 2009 or later
>>> MacBook models from late 2009 or later
>>> MacBook Pro models from mid 2010 or later
>>> MacBook Air models from late 2010 or later
>>> Mac mini models from mid 2010 or later
>>> Mac Pro models from mid 2010 or later
>>> 
>>> Here are the Mac’s Model Identifier:
>>> iMac10,1 or newer
>>> MacBook6,1 or newer
>>> MacBookAir3,1 or newer
>>> MacBookPro6,1 or newer
>>> Macmini4,1 or newer
>>> MacPro5,1 or newer
>>> 
>>> If your Mac isn’t on that list (or has an older model number), then 
>>> regardless of its age or speed, it won’t run High Sierra.
>>> 
>>> RAM
>>> High Sierra requires a minimum of 2GB of RAM, but more RAM 4GB - or more is 
>>> better for your Mac’s performance.
>>> 
>>> Firmware Updates
>>> Some Macs may require updated EFI or SMC firmware to run High Sierra. To 
>>> see if a firmware update is available, check this webpage 
>>> . Unless you previously hid them 
>>> from the list, firmware updates should also appear when you choose Apple  
>>> > App Store and click Updates (in Yosemite and later).
>>> 
>>> Free Disk Space
>>> Apple says that the High Sierra installer requires 14.3 GB of free storage 
>>> space to perform the upgrade (and that after the installation is finished, 
>>> High Sierra will occupy about 1.5 GB more than Sierra did). Although you 
>>> may be able to get away with exactly 14.3 GB free, you’ll do much better 
>>> starting at least 20+GB of Free Space (before downloading the installer). 
>>> Even more free space is better of course. Some High Sierra features will 
>>> require increasing amounts of disk space as you use them. 
>>> You need to have ‘room to grow’.
>>> 
>>> OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion or Later
>>> In order to install High Sierra, your Mac must be running 10.8 Mountain 
>>> Lion or later.
>>> 
>>>  Update Your Third-party Software before installing High Sierra
>>> RoaringApps maintains a wiki listing hundreds of Mac and iOS apps and the 
>>> current status of their compatibility with various operating system 
>>> versions, as reported by users.
>>> If you are using Microsoft Office you can check Microsoft’s support article 
>>> for compatibility
>>> Microsoft Office support for macOS 10.13 High Sierra 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Check your current Printer is compatible with High Sierra
>>> Update the Printer Drivers and Software to High Sierra compatible
>>> 
>>> BACKUP BACKUP BACKUP!
>>>  ‘Time Machine backup’ and a ‘Bootable Duplicate Backup’!
>>> 
>>> Test your Duplicate - you should test the duplicate to make sure it truly 
>>> is bootable before taking the plunge and upgrading to High Sierra.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
>>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
>>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
>>> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
>>> 
>>> macOS High Sierra 10.13
>>> 
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Re: Prepare to upgrade to macOS High Sierra 10.13

[Graham Rabe]

Hi Ronni,

I’d appreciate a copy of the document you prepared for upgrading to High Sierra.

Thanks.

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> On 9 Oct 2017, at 3:30 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
> I’ve done the document ‘Prepare to Upgrade to macOS High Sierra 10.13’ in 
> Pages App and export it as a PDF for clients & family.
> If any member would like a copy I’ will send it to you ‘OffList’.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
> 
> On 9 Oct 2017, at 12:21 pm, Ronni Brown  > wrote:
> 
>> I have posted information earlier to the list about High Sierra.
>> There have been people who have upgraded to High Sierra without first 
>> preparing to upgrade.
>> So please don’t make the mistake of upgrading without first preparing for 
>> macOS High Sierra 10.13.
>> 
>> Prepare to upgrade to macOS High Sierra 10.13
>> 
>> Make sure your computer can run High Sierra 
>> iMac models from late 2009 or later
>> MacBook models from late 2009 or later
>> MacBook Pro models from mid 2010 or later
>> MacBook Air models from late 2010 or later
>> Mac mini models from mid 2010 or later
>> Mac Pro models from mid 2010 or later
>> 
>> Here are the Mac’s Model Identifier:
>> iMac10,1 or newer
>> MacBook6,1 or newer
>> MacBookAir3,1 or newer
>> MacBookPro6,1 or newer
>> Macmini4,1 or newer
>> MacPro5,1 or newer
>> 
>> If your Mac isn’t on that list (or has an older model number), then 
>> regardless of its age or speed, it won’t run High Sierra.
>> 
>> RAM
>> High Sierra requires a minimum of 2GB of RAM, but more RAM 4GB - or more is 
>> better for your Mac’s performance.
>> 
>> Firmware Updates
>> Some Macs may require updated EFI or SMC firmware to run High Sierra. To see 
>> if a firmware update is available, check this webpage 
>> . Unless you previously hid them 
>> from the list, firmware updates should also appear when you choose Apple  > 
>> App Store and click Updates (in Yosemite and later).
>> 
>> Free Disk Space
>> Apple says that the High Sierra installer requires 14.3 GB of free storage 
>> space to perform the upgrade (and that after the installation is finished, 
>> High Sierra will occupy about 1.5 GB more than Sierra did). Although you may 
>> be able to get away with exactly 14.3 GB free, you’ll do much better 
>> starting at least 20+GB of Free Space (before downloading the installer). 
>> Even more free space is better of course. Some High Sierra features will 
>> require increasing amounts of disk space as you use them. 
>> You need to have ‘room to grow’.
>> 
>> OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion or Later
>> In order to install High Sierra, your Mac must be running 10.8 Mountain Lion 
>> or later.
>> 
>>  Update Your Third-party Software before installing High Sierra
>> RoaringApps maintains a wiki listing hundreds of Mac and iOS apps and the 
>> current status of their compatibility with various operating system 
>> versions, as reported by users.
>> If you are using Microsoft Office you can check Microsoft’s support article 
>> for compatibility
>> Microsoft Office support for macOS 10.13 High Sierra 
>> 
>> 
>> Check your current Printer is compatible with High Sierra
>> Update the Printer Drivers and Software to High Sierra compatible
>> 
>> BACKUP BACKUP BACKUP!
>>  ‘Time Machine backup’ and a ‘Bootable Duplicate Backup’!
>> 
>> Test your Duplicate - you should test the duplicate to make sure it truly is 
>> bootable before taking the plunge and upgrading to High Sierra.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
>> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
>> 
>> macOS High Sierra 10.13
>> 
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