Re: Malwarebytes, anti-malware for Mac

[Alex]

Hi Ronni

Thanks for this in-depth & informative info on this subject.

Unfortunately, in my dealings with the ATO I still have to use Java applets :(

Cheers,  Alex 

> On 27 Sep 2015, at 1:18 pm, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 27 Sep 2015, at 11:58 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au 
>> <mailto:gra...@rabe.com.au>> wrote:
>> 
>> A week or two ago Peter Marks on ABC Breakfast with Fran Kelly advised 
>> against installing any Apple virus protection software given that recent 
>> security upgrades have made them largely redundant and they seem to cause 
>> more problems than they claim to fix.  
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
> 
> I agree! In my previous reply I only supplied the information about 
> Malwarebytes anti-malware for Mac.
> 
> Peter, Daniel & I have posted numerous times re: Do Macs need Anti-Virus 
> programs.
> The short answer is NO.
> 
> Below I quote from Linc Davis 
> <https://discussions.apple.com/people/Linc%20Davis> - Level 10 Apple Support 
> Communities
> 
> /Begin Quote from Linc Davis:
> Mac users often ask whether they should install "anti-virus" software. The 
> answer usually given on ASC is "no." The answer is right, but it may give the 
> wrong impression that there is no threat from what are loosely called 
> "viruses." There  is a threat, and you need to educate yourself about it.
> 
> 1. This is a comment on what you should—and should not—do to protect yourself 
> from malicious software ("malware") that circulates on the Internet and gets 
> onto a computer as an unintended consequence of the user's actions. It does 
> not apply to software, such as keystroke loggers, that may be installed 
> deliberately by an intruder who has hands-on access to the computer, or who 
> has been able to log in to it remotely. That threat is in a different 
> category, and there's no easy way to defend against it.
> 
> The comment is long because the issue is complex. The key points are in 
> sections 5, 6, and 10.
> 
> OS X now implements three layers of built-in protection specifically against 
> malware, not counting runtime protections such as execute disable 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executable_space_protection>, sandboxing 
> <https://developer.apple.com/devcenter/mac/app-sandbox/>, system library 
> randomization, and address space layout randomization 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_space_layout_randomization> that may 
> also guard against other kinds of exploits.
> 
> 2. All versions of OS X since 10.6.7 have been able to detect known Mac 
> malware in downloaded files, and to block insecure web plugins. This feature 
> is transparent to the user. Internally Apple calls it "XProtect."
> 
> The malware recognition database used by XProtect is automatically updated; 
> however, you shouldn't rely on it, because the attackers are always at least 
> a day ahead of the defenders.
> 
> The following caveats apply to XProtect:
> 
> ☞ It can be bypassed by some third-party networking software, such as 
> BitTorrent clients and Java applets.
> 
> ☞ It only applies to software downloaded from the network. Software installed 
> from a CD or other media is not checked.
> 
> As new versions of OS X are released, it's not clear whether Apple will 
> indefinitely continue to maintain the XProtect database of older versions 
> such as 10.6. The security of obsolete system versions may eventually be 
> degraded. Security updates to the code of obsolete systems will stop being 
> released at some point, and that may leave them open to other kinds of attack 
> besides malware.
> 
> 3. Starting with OS X 10.7.5, there has been a second layer of built-in 
> malware protection, designated "Gatekeeper 
> <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5290>" by Apple. By default, applications and 
> Installer packages downloaded from the network will only run if they're 
> digitally signed by a developer with a certificate issued by Apple. Software 
> certified in this way hasn't necessarily been tested by Apple, but you can be 
> reasonably sure that it hasn't been modified by anyone other than the 
> developer. His identity is known to Apple, so he could be held legally 
> responsible if he distributed malware. That may not mean much if the 
> developer lives in a country with a weak legal system (see below.)
> 
> Gatekeeper doesn't depend on a database of known malware. It has, however, 
> the same limitations as XProtect, and in addition the following:
> 
> ☞ It can easily be disabled or overridden by the user.
> 
> ☞ A malware attacker could get contro

Re: Malwarebytes, anti-malware for Mac

[Michael Hawkins]

Hi Ronni,

Does this apply to iPhones on ios8, too?

Thank you, 

Michael

Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Sep 2015, at 8:40 am, FW <whae...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> 
> Yes Ronni, I certainly will. It’s already archived.
> Thanks.
> 
> Cheers.
> Walter
> 
> *
>> On 27 Sep 2015, at 17:37 , Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Well... No... It's not really anti-virus software.
>> But I do not recommend and have never recommended that Malwarebytes 
>> Anti-Malware software be installed on current OS X systems.
>> 
>> Please read thoroughly all the documentation I posted in my last reply to 
>> the list.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>> 
>> 
>>> On 27 Sep 2015, at 4:46 pm, FW <whae...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Malwarebytes Anti-Malware is not really anti-virus software, is it Ronni ?
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Walter
>>> 
>>> ***
>>> 
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>> 
>>>> From: Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Malwarebytes, anti-malware for Mac
>>>> Date: 27 September 2015 13:18:50 GMT+8
>>>> To: WAMUG <wamug@wamug.org.au>
>>>> Reply-To: wamug@wamug.org.au
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 27 Sep 2015, at 11:58 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> A week or two ago Peter Marks on ABC Breakfast with Fran Kelly advised 
>>>>> against installing any Apple virus protection software given that recent 
>>>>> security upgrades have made them largely redundant and they seem to cause 
>>>>> more problems than they claim to fix.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> Graham
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>> I agree! In my previous reply I only supplied the information about 
>>>> Malwarebytes anti-malware for Mac.
>>>> 
>>>> Peter, Daniel & I have posted numerous times re: Do Macs need Anti-Virus 
>>>> programs.
>>>> The short answer is NO.
>>>> 
>>>> Below I quote from Linc Davis - Level 10 Apple Support Communities
>>>> 
>>>> /Begin Quote from Linc Davis:
>>>> Mac users often ask whether they should install "anti-virus" software. The 
>>>> answer usually given on ASC is "no." The answer is right, but it may give 
>>>> the wrong impression that there is no threat from what are loosely called 
>>>> "viruses." There  is a threat, and you need to educate yourself about it.
>>>> 
>>>> 1. This is a comment on what you should—and should not—do to protect 
>>>> yourself from malicious software ("malware") that circulates on the 
>>>> Internet and gets onto a computer as an unintended consequence of tYes 
>>>> Ronni, I certainly will. It’s already archived.
> Thanks.
> 
> Cheers.
> Walter
> 
> *****
>> On 27 Sep 2015, at 17:37 , Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Well... No... It's not really anti-virus software.
>> But I do not recommend and have never recommended that Malwarebytes 
>> Anti-Malware software be installed on current OS X systems.
>> 
>> Please read thoroughly all the documentation I posted in my last reply to 
>> the list.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>> 
>> 
>>> On 27 Sep 2015, at 4:46 pm, FW <whae...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Malwarebytes Anti-Malware is not really anti-virus software, is it Ronni ?
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Walter
>>> 
>>> ***
>>> 
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>> 
>>>> From: Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Malwarebytes, anti-malware for Mac
>>>> Date: 27 September 2015 13:18:50 GMT+8
>>>> To: WAMUG <wamug@wamug.org.au>
>>>> Reply-To: wamug@wamug.org.au
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 27 Sep 2015, at 11:58 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> A week or two ago Peter Marks on ABC Breakfast with Fran Kelly advised 
>>>>> against ins

Re: Malwarebytes, anti-malware for Mac

[Ronni Brown]

hones on ios8, too?
> 
> Thank you, 
> 
> Michael
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 28 Sep 2015, at 8:40 am, FW <whae...@iinet.net.au 
>> <mailto:whae...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes Ronni, I certainly will. It’s already archived.
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Cheers.
>> Walter
>> 
>> *
>>> On 27 Sep 2015, at 17:37 , Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well... No... It's not really anti-virus software.
>>> But I do not recommend and have never recommended that Malwarebytes 
>>> Anti-Malware software be installed on current OS X systems.
>>> 
>>> Please read thoroughly all the documentation I posted in my last reply to 
>>> the list.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 27 Sep 2015, at 4:46 pm, FW <whae...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Malwarebytes Anti-Malware is not really anti-virus software, is it Ronni ?
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Walter
>>>> 
>>>> ***
>>>> 
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Malwarebytes, anti-malware for Mac
>>>>> Date: 27 September 2015 13:18:50 GMT+8
>>>>> To: WAMUG <wamug@wamug.org.au>
>>>>> Reply-To: wamug@wamug.org.au
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 27 Sep 2015, at 11:58 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A week or two ago Peter Marks on ABC Breakfast with Fran Kelly advised 
>>>>>> against installing any Apple virus protection software given that recent 
>>>>>> security upgrades have made them largely redundant and they seem to 
>>>>>> cause more problems than they claim to fix.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>> I agree! In my previous reply I only supplied the information about 
>>>>> Malwarebytes anti-malware for Mac.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter, Daniel & I have posted numerous times re: Do Macs need Anti-Virus 
>>>>> programs.
>>>>> The short answer is NO.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Below I quote from Linc Davis - Level 10 Apple Support Communities
>>>>> 
>>>>> /Begin Quote from Linc Davis:
>>>>> Mac users often ask whether they should install "anti-virus" software. 
>>>>> The answer usually given on ASC is "no." The answer is right, but it may 
>>>>> give the wrong impression that there is no threat from what are loosely 
>>>>> called "viruses." There  is a threat, and you need to educate yourself 
>>>>> about it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1. This is a comment on what you should—and should not—do to protect 
>>>>> yourself from malicious software ("malware") that circulates on the 
>>>>> Internet and gets onto a computer as an unintended consequence of tYes 
>>>>> Ronni, I certainly will. It’s already archived.
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Cheers.
>> Walter
>> 
>> *
>>> On 27 Sep 2015, at 17:37 , Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com 
>>> <mailto:ro...@mac.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well... No... It's not really anti-virus software.
>>> But I do not recommend and have never recommended that Malwarebytes 
>>> Anti-Malware software be installed on current OS X systems.
>>> 
>>> Please read thoroughly all the documentation I posted in my last reply to 
>>> the list.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 27 Sep 2015, at 4:46 pm, FW <whae...@iinet.net.au 
>>>> <mailto:whae...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Malwarebytes Anti-Malware is not really anti-virus software, is it Ronni ?
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Walter
>>>> 
>>>> ***
>>>> 
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>

Re: Malwarebytes, anti-malware for Mac

[Michael Hawkins]

 an iPhone or iPad, 
> or send a message to it in the hope of retrieving a lost iPhone or iPad.
> 
> 1. Click on Settings > Privacy > Location service
> 2. Tap Find My iPad and click it to On
> 3. Open the App Store and Find My iPhone. Install the app.
> 
> Open the Find My iPhone app on an iPad or iPhone and log in to see where all 
> your devices are. 
> Note that this service can also be accessed from Apple's iCloud website.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 
>> On 28 Sep 2015, at 9:41 am, Michael Hawkins 
>> <michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ronni,
>> 
>> Does this apply to iPhones on ios8, too?
>> 
>> Thank you, 
>> 
>> Michael
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 28 Sep 2015, at 8:40 am, FW <whae...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes Ronni, I certainly will. It’s already archived.
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Cheers.
>>> Walter
>>> 
>>> *
>>>> On 27 Sep 2015, at 17:37 , Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well... No... It's not really anti-virus software.
>>>> But I do not recommend and have never recommended that Malwarebytes 
>>>> Anti-Malware software be installed on current OS X systems.
>>>> 
>>>> Please read thoroughly all the documentation I posted in my last reply to 
>>>> the list.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Ronni
>>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 27 Sep 2015, at 4:46 pm, FW <whae...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Malwarebytes Anti-Malware is not really anti-virus software, is it Ronni ?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Walter
>>>>> 
>>>>> ***************
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Malwarebytes, anti-malware for Mac
>>>>>> Date: 27 September 2015 13:18:50 GMT+8
>>>>>> To: WAMUG <wamug@wamug.org.au>
>>>>>> Reply-To: wamug@wamug.org.au
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 27 Sep 2015, at 11:58 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> A week or two ago Peter Marks on ABC Breakfast with Fran Kelly advised 
>>>>>>> against installing any Apple virus protection software given that 
>>>>>>> recent security upgrades have made them largely redundant and they seem 
>>>>>>> to cause more problems than they claim to fix.  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I agree! In my previous reply I only supplied the information about 
>>>>>> Malwarebytes anti-malware for Mac.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Peter, Daniel & I have posted numerous times re: Do Macs need Anti-Virus 
>>>>>> programs.
>>>>>> The short answer is NO.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Below I quote from Linc Davis - Level 10 Apple Support Communities
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> /Begin Quote from Linc Davis:
>>>>>> Mac users often ask whether they should install "anti-virus" software. 
>>>>>> The answer usually given on ASC is "no." The answer is right, but it may 
>>>>>> give the wrong impression that there is no threat from what are loosely 
>>>>>> called "viruses." There  is a threat, and you need to educate yourself 
>>>>>> about it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1. This is a comment on what you should—and should not—do to protect 
>>>>>> yourself from malicious software ("malware") that circulates on the 
>>>>>> Internet and gets onto a computer as an unintended consequence of tYes 
>>>>>> Ronni, I certainly will. It’s already archived.
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Cheers.
>>> Walter
>>> 
>>> *
>>>> On 27 Sep 2015, at 17:37 , Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well... No... 

Re: Malwarebytes, anti-malware for Mac

[FW]

Yes Ronni, I certainly will. It’s already archived.
Thanks.

Cheers.
Walter

*
> On 27 Sep 2015, at 17:37 , Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
> 
> Well... No... It's not really anti-virus software.
> But I do not recommend and have never recommended that Malwarebytes 
> Anti-Malware software be installed on current OS X systems.
> 
> Please read thoroughly all the documentation I posted in my last reply to the 
> list.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
> 
> 
> On 27 Sep 2015, at 4:46 pm, FW <whae...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> 
>> Malwarebytes Anti-Malware is not really anti-virus software, is it Ronni ?
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Walter
>> 
>> ***
>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> From: Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Malwarebytes, anti-malware for Mac
>>> Date: 27 September 2015 13:18:50 GMT+8
>>> To: WAMUG <wamug@wamug.org.au>
>>> Reply-To: wamug@wamug.org.au
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 27 Sep 2015, at 11:58 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> A week or two ago Peter Marks on ABC Breakfast with Fran Kelly advised 
>>>> against installing any Apple virus protection software given that recent 
>>>> security upgrades have made them largely redundant and they seem to cause 
>>>> more problems than they claim to fix.  
>>>> 
>>>> Graham
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> I agree! In my previous reply I only supplied the information about 
>>> Malwarebytes anti-malware for Mac.
>>> 
>>> Peter, Daniel & I have posted numerous times re: Do Macs need Anti-Virus 
>>> programs.
>>> The short answer is NO.
>>> 
>>> Below I quote from Linc Davis - Level 10 Apple Support Communities
>>> 
>>> /Begin Quote from Linc Davis:
>>> Mac users often ask whether they should install "anti-virus" software. The 
>>> answer usually given on ASC is "no." The answer is right, but it may give 
>>> the wrong impression that there is no threat from what are loosely called 
>>> "viruses." There  is a threat, and you need to educate yourself about it.
>>> 
>>> 1. This is a comment on what you should—and should not—do to protect 
>>> yourself from malicious software ("malware") that circulates on the 
>>> Internet and gets onto a computer as an unintended consequence of the 
>>> user's actions. It does not apply to software, such as keystroke loggers, 
>>> that may be installed deliberately by an intruder who has hands-on access 
>>> to the computer, or who has been able to log in to it remotely. That threat 
>>> is in a different category, and there's no easy way to defend against it.
>>> 
>>> The comment is long because the issue is complex. The key points are in 
>>> sections 5, 6, and 10.
>>> 
>>> OS X now implements three layers of built-in protection specifically 
>>> against malware, not counting runtime protections such as execute disable, 
>>> sandboxing, system library randomization, and address space layout 
>>> randomization that may also guard against other kinds of exploits.
>>> 
>>> 2. All versions of OS X since 10.6.7 have been able to detect known Mac 
>>> malware in downloaded files, and to block insecure web plugins. This 
>>> feature is transparent to the user. Internally Apple calls it "XProtect."
>>> 
>>> The malware recognition database used by XProtect is automatically updated; 
>>> however, you shouldn't rely on it, because the attackers are always at 
>>> least a day ahead of the defenders.
>>> 
>>> The following caveats apply to XProtect:
>>> 
>>> ☞ It can be bypassed by some third-party networking software, such as 
>>> BitTorrent clients and Java applets.
>>> 
>>> ☞ It only applies to software downloaded from the network. Software 
>>> installed from a CD or other media is not checked.
>>> 
>>> As new versions of OS X are released, it's not clear whether Apple will 
>>> indefinitely continue to maintain the XProtect database of older versions 
>>> such as 10.6. The security of obsolete system versions may eventually be 
>>> degraded. Security updates to the code of obsolete systems will stop being 
>>> released at some p

Fwd: Malwarebytes, anti-malware for Mac

[FW]

Malwarebytes Anti-Malware is not really anti-virus software, is it Ronni ?

Cheers
Walter

***

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com>
> Subject: Re: Malwarebytes, anti-malware for Mac
> Date: 27 September 2015 13:18:50 GMT+8
> To: WAMUG <wamug@wamug.org.au>
> Reply-To: wamug@wamug.org.au
> 
> 
>> On 27 Sep 2015, at 11:58 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au 
>> <mailto:gra...@rabe.com.au>> wrote:
>> 
>> A week or two ago Peter Marks on ABC Breakfast with Fran Kelly advised 
>> against installing any Apple virus protection software given that recent 
>> security upgrades have made them largely redundant and they seem to cause 
>> more problems than they claim to fix.  
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
> 
> I agree! In my previous reply I only supplied the information about 
> Malwarebytes anti-malware for Mac.
> 
> Peter, Daniel & I have posted numerous times re: Do Macs need Anti-Virus 
> programs.
> The short answer is NO.
> 
> Below I quote from Linc Davis 
> <https://discussions.apple.com/people/Linc%20Davis> - Level 10 Apple Support 
> Communities
> 
> /Begin Quote from Linc Davis:
> Mac users often ask whether they should install "anti-virus" software. The 
> answer usually given on ASC is "no." The answer is right, but it may give the 
> wrong impression that there is no threat from what are loosely called 
> "viruses." There  is a threat, and you need to educate yourself about it.
> 
> 1. This is a comment on what you should—and should not—do to protect yourself 
> from malicious software ("malware") that circulates on the Internet and gets 
> onto a computer as an unintended consequence of the user's actions. It does 
> not apply to software, such as keystroke loggers, that may be installed 
> deliberately by an intruder who has hands-on access to the computer, or who 
> has been able to log in to it remotely. That threat is in a different 
> category, and there's no easy way to defend against it.
> 
> The comment is long because the issue is complex. The key points are in 
> sections 5, 6, and 10.
> 
> OS X now implements three layers of built-in protection specifically against 
> malware, not counting runtime protections such as execute disable 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executable_space_protection>, sandboxing 
> <https://developer.apple.com/devcenter/mac/app-sandbox/>, system library 
> randomization, and address space layout randomization 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_space_layout_randomization> that may 
> also guard against other kinds of exploits.
> 
> 2. All versions of OS X since 10.6.7 have been able to detect known Mac 
> malware in downloaded files, and to block insecure web plugins. This feature 
> is transparent to the user. Internally Apple calls it "XProtect."
> 
> The malware recognition database used by XProtect is automatically updated; 
> however, you shouldn't rely on it, because the attackers are always at least 
> a day ahead of the defenders.
> 
> The following caveats apply to XProtect:
> 
> ☞ It can be bypassed by some third-party networking software, such as 
> BitTorrent clients and Java applets.
> 
> ☞ It only applies to software downloaded from the network. Software installed 
> from a CD or other media is not checked.
> 
> As new versions of OS X are released, it's not clear whether Apple will 
> indefinitely continue to maintain the XProtect database of older versions 
> such as 10.6. The security of obsolete system versions may eventually be 
> degraded. Security updates to the code of obsolete systems will stop being 
> released at some point, and that may leave them open to other kinds of attack 
> besides malware.
> 
> 3. Starting with OS X 10.7.5, there has been a second layer of built-in 
> malware protection, designated "Gatekeeper 
> <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5290>" by Apple. By default, applications and 
> Installer packages downloaded from the network will only run if they're 
> digitally signed by a developer with a certificate issued by Apple. Software 
> certified in this way hasn't necessarily been tested by Apple, but you can be 
> reasonably sure that it hasn't been modified by anyone other than the 
> developer. His identity is known to Apple, so he could be held legally 
> responsible if he distributed malware. That may not mean much if the 
> developer lives in a country with a weak legal system (see below.)
> 
> Gatekeeper doesn't depend on a database of known malware. It has, however, 
> the 

Re: Malwarebytes, anti-malware for Mac

[Ronda Brown]

Well... No... It's not really anti-virus software.
But I do not recommend and have never recommended that Malwarebytes 
Anti-Malware software be installed on current OS X systems.

Please read thoroughly all the documentation I posted in my last reply to the 
list.

Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad4


> On 27 Sep 2015, at 4:46 pm, FW <whae...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> 
> Malwarebytes Anti-Malware is not really anti-virus software, is it Ronni ?
> 
> Cheers
> Walter
> 
> ***
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com>
>> Subject: Re: Malwarebytes, anti-malware for Mac
>> Date: 27 September 2015 13:18:50 GMT+8
>> To: WAMUG <wamug@wamug.org.au>
>> Reply-To: wamug@wamug.org.au
>> 
>> 
>>> On 27 Sep 2015, at 11:58 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>> A week or two ago Peter Marks on ABC Breakfast with Fran Kelly advised 
>>> against installing any Apple virus protection software given that recent 
>>> security upgrades have made them largely redundant and they seem to cause 
>>> more problems than they claim to fix.  
>>> 
>>> Graham
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> I agree! In my previous reply I only supplied the information about 
>> Malwarebytes anti-malware for Mac.
>> 
>> Peter, Daniel & I have posted numerous times re: Do Macs need Anti-Virus 
>> programs.
>> The short answer is NO.
>> 
>> Below I quote from Linc Davis - Level 10 Apple Support Communities
>> 
>> /Begin Quote from Linc Davis:
>> Mac users often ask whether they should install "anti-virus" software. The 
>> answer usually given on ASC is "no." The answer is right, but it may give 
>> the wrong impression that there is no threat from what are loosely called 
>> "viruses." There  is a threat, and you need to educate yourself about it.
>> 
>> 1. This is a comment on what you should—and should not—do to protect 
>> yourself from malicious software ("malware") that circulates on the Internet 
>> and gets onto a computer as an unintended consequence of the user's actions. 
>> It does not apply to software, such as keystroke loggers, that may be 
>> installed deliberately by an intruder who has hands-on access to the 
>> computer, or who has been able to log in to it remotely. That threat is in a 
>> different category, and there's no easy way to defend against it.
>> 
>> The comment is long because the issue is complex. The key points are in 
>> sections 5, 6, and 10.
>> 
>> OS X now implements three layers of built-in protection specifically against 
>> malware, not counting runtime protections such as execute disable, 
>> sandboxing, system library randomization, and address space layout 
>> randomization that may also guard against other kinds of exploits.
>> 
>> 2. All versions of OS X since 10.6.7 have been able to detect known Mac 
>> malware in downloaded files, and to block insecure web plugins. This feature 
>> is transparent to the user. Internally Apple calls it "XProtect."
>> 
>> The malware recognition database used by XProtect is automatically updated; 
>> however, you shouldn't rely on it, because the attackers are always at least 
>> a day ahead of the defenders.
>> 
>> The following caveats apply to XProtect:
>> 
>> ☞ It can be bypassed by some third-party networking software, such as 
>> BitTorrent clients and Java applets.
>> 
>> ☞ It only applies to software downloaded from the network. Software 
>> installed from a CD or other media is not checked.
>> 
>> As new versions of OS X are released, it's not clear whether Apple will 
>> indefinitely continue to maintain the XProtect database of older versions 
>> such as 10.6. The security of obsolete system versions may eventually be 
>> degraded. Security updates to the code of obsolete systems will stop being 
>> released at some point, and that may leave them open to other kinds of 
>> attack besides malware.
>> 
>> 3. Starting with OS X 10.7.5, there has been a second layer of built-in 
>> malware protection, designated "Gatekeeper" by Apple. By default, 
>> applications and Installer packages downloaded from the network will only 
>> run if they're digitally signed by a developer with a certificate issued by 
>> Apple. Software certified in this way hasn't necessarily been tested by 
>> Apple, but you can be reasonably sure that it hasn't been

Re: Malwarebytes, anti-malware for Mac

[Ronni Brown]

> On 27 Sep 2015, at 11:58 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au> wrote:
> 
> A week or two ago Peter Marks on ABC Breakfast with Fran Kelly advised 
> against installing any Apple virus protection software given that recent 
> security upgrades have made them largely redundant and they seem to cause 
> more problems than they claim to fix.  
> 
> Graham
> 
> Sent from my iPad

I agree! In my previous reply I only supplied the information about 
Malwarebytes anti-malware for Mac.

Peter, Daniel & I have posted numerous times re: Do Macs need Anti-Virus 
programs.
The short answer is NO.

Below I quote from Linc Davis 
<https://discussions.apple.com/people/Linc%20Davis> - Level 10 Apple Support 
Communities

/Begin Quote from Linc Davis:
Mac users often ask whether they should install "anti-virus" software. The 
answer usually given on ASC is "no." The answer is right, but it may give the 
wrong impression that there is no threat from what are loosely called 
"viruses." There  is a threat, and you need to educate yourself about it.

1. This is a comment on what you should—and should not—do to protect yourself 
from malicious software ("malware") that circulates on the Internet and gets 
onto a computer as an unintended consequence of the user's actions. It does not 
apply to software, such as keystroke loggers, that may be installed 
deliberately by an intruder who has hands-on access to the computer, or who has 
been able to log in to it remotely. That threat is in a different category, and 
there's no easy way to defend against it.

The comment is long because the issue is complex. The key points are in 
sections 5, 6, and 10.

OS X now implements three layers of built-in protection specifically against 
malware, not counting runtime protections such as execute disable 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executable_space_protection>, sandboxing 
<https://developer.apple.com/devcenter/mac/app-sandbox/>, system library 
randomization, and address space layout randomization 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_space_layout_randomization> that may also 
guard against other kinds of exploits.

2. All versions of OS X since 10.6.7 have been able to detect known Mac malware 
in downloaded files, and to block insecure web plugins. This feature is 
transparent to the user. Internally Apple calls it "XProtect."

The malware recognition database used by XProtect is automatically updated; 
however, you shouldn't rely on it, because the attackers are always at least a 
day ahead of the defenders.

The following caveats apply to XProtect:

☞ It can be bypassed by some third-party networking software, such as 
BitTorrent clients and Java applets.

☞ It only applies to software downloaded from the network. Software installed 
from a CD or other media is not checked.

As new versions of OS X are released, it's not clear whether Apple will 
indefinitely continue to maintain the XProtect database of older versions such 
as 10.6. The security of obsolete system versions may eventually be degraded. 
Security updates to the code of obsolete systems will stop being released at 
some point, and that may leave them open to other kinds of attack besides 
malware.

3. Starting with OS X 10.7.5, there has been a second layer of built-in malware 
protection, designated "Gatekeeper <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5290>" by 
Apple. By default, applications and Installer packages downloaded from the 
network will only run if they're digitally signed by a developer with a 
certificate issued by Apple. Software certified in this way hasn't necessarily 
been tested by Apple, but you can be reasonably sure that it hasn't been 
modified by anyone other than the developer. His identity is known to Apple, so 
he could be held legally responsible if he distributed malware. That may not 
mean much if the developer lives in a country with a weak legal system (see 
below.)

Gatekeeper doesn't depend on a database of known malware. It has, however, the 
same limitations as XProtect, and in addition the following:

☞ It can easily be disabled or overridden by the user.

☞ A malware attacker could get control of a code-signing certificate under 
false pretenses, or could simply ignore the consequences of distributing 
codesigned malware <http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/2554.html>.

☞ An App Store developer could find a way to bypass Apple's oversight 
<http://www.technologyreview.com/news/518096/remotely-assembled-malware-blows-past-apples-screening-process/>,
 or the oversight could fail 
<https://www.securelist.com/en/blog/208193641/Find_and_Call_Leak_and_Spam> due 
to human error.

Apple has so far failed to revoke the codesigning certificates of some known 
abusers, thereby diluting the value of Gatekeeper and the Developer ID program. 
These failures don't involve App Store products, howev

Re: Malwarebytes, anti-malware for Mac

[Graham Rabe]

A week or two ago Peter Marks on ABC Breakfast with Fran Kelly advised against 
installing any Apple virus protection software given that recent security 
upgrades have made them largely redundant and they seem to cause more problems 
than they claim to fix.  

Graham

Sent from my iPad

> On 25 Sep 2015, at 6:21 PM, FW <whae...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> 
> Interesting.
> Thanks  Stephen and Ronni.
> 
> Cheers,
> Walter
>> On 25 Sep 2015, at 16:06 , Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Stephen & Walter,
>> 
>> Malwarebytes Anti-Malware for Mac is Thomas Reed of 'The Safe Mac' - his 
>> AdwareMedic with some... 'extras'... 
>> "Improved, but still largely familiar, update of AdwareMedic"
>> 
>> AdwareMedic and The Safe Mac are now owned by Malwarebytes.
>> A lot of loyal followers of The Safe Mac are not so happy by the sellout to 
>> Malwarebytes.
>> 
>> The Safe Mac - Introducing Malwarebytes Anti-Malware for Mac
>> 
>> http://www.thesafemac.com/introducing-malwarebytes-anti-malware-for-mac/
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>> 
>> 
>>> On 25 Sep 2015, at 1:33 pm, Stephen Chape <chap...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have not heard of it Walter.
>>> But CNet have given it 4.5 Stars out of 5 and a rating of “Outstanding”.
>>> So I guess it must be OK.
>>> 
>>> I have used Intego Virus Barrier/Net Barrier combo for a few years now.
>>> It has always rated very well on reviews and does not noticeably effect my 
>>> Mac’s performance like some others have done. I tried Kaspersky one time 
>>> and it slowed everything down.
>>> 
>>> I figure if you pay for something then they are far more likely to do the 
>>> right thing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 25 Sep 2015, at 12:41 pm, FW <whae...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Good morning all,
>>>> 
>>>> Has anyone heard of this one ? 
>>>> Recommended in Australian Macworld.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Walter
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>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Stephen Chape
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Malwarebytes, anti-malware for Mac

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Stephen & Walter,

Malwarebytes Anti-Malware for Mac is Thomas Reed of 'The Safe Mac' - his 
AdwareMedic with some... 'extras'... 
"Improved, but still largely familiar, update of AdwareMedic"

AdwareMedic and The Safe Mac are now owned by Malwarebytes.
A lot of loyal followers of The Safe Mac are not so happy by the sellout to 
Malwarebytes.

The Safe Mac - Introducing Malwarebytes Anti-Malware for Mac

http://www.thesafemac.com/introducing-malwarebytes-anti-malware-for-mac/

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4


> On 25 Sep 2015, at 1:33 pm, Stephen Chape <chap...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
> I have not heard of it Walter.
> But CNet have given it 4.5 Stars out of 5 and a rating of “Outstanding”.
> So I guess it must be OK.
> 
> I have used Intego Virus Barrier/Net Barrier combo for a few years now.
> It has always rated very well on reviews and does not noticeably effect my 
> Mac’s performance like some others have done. I tried Kaspersky one time and 
> it slowed everything down.
> 
> I figure if you pay for something then they are far more likely to do the 
> right thing.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 25 Sep 2015, at 12:41 pm, FW <whae...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning all,
>> 
>> Has anyone heard of this one ? 
>> Recommended in Australian Macworld.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Walter
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> Regards,
> Stephen Chape
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Malwarebytes, anti-malware for Mac

[FW]

Interesting.
Thanks  Stephen and Ronni.

Cheers,
Walter
> On 25 Sep 2015, at 16:06 , Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Stephen & Walter,
> 
> Malwarebytes Anti-Malware for Mac is Thomas Reed of 'The Safe Mac' - his 
> AdwareMedic with some... 'extras'... 
> "Improved, but still largely familiar, update of AdwareMedic"
> 
> AdwareMedic and The Safe Mac are now owned by Malwarebytes.
> A lot of loyal followers of The Safe Mac are not so happy by the sellout to 
> Malwarebytes.
> 
> The Safe Mac - Introducing Malwarebytes Anti-Malware for Mac
> 
> http://www.thesafemac.com/introducing-malwarebytes-anti-malware-for-mac/
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
> 
> 
> On 25 Sep 2015, at 1:33 pm, Stephen Chape <chap...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
>> I have not heard of it Walter.
>> But CNet have given it 4.5 Stars out of 5 and a rating of “Outstanding”.
>> So I guess it must be OK.
>> 
>> I have used Intego Virus Barrier/Net Barrier combo for a few years now.
>> It has always rated very well on reviews and does not noticeably effect my 
>> Mac’s performance like some others have done. I tried Kaspersky one time and 
>> it slowed everything down.
>> 
>> I figure if you pay for something then they are far more likely to do the 
>> right thing.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 25 Sep 2015, at 12:41 pm, FW <whae...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good morning all,
>>> 
>>> Has anyone heard of this one ? 
>>> Recommended in Australian Macworld.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Walter
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>> 
>> Regards,
>> Stephen Chape
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Malwarebytes, anti-malware for Mac

[Stephen Chape]

I have not heard of it Walter.
But CNet have given it 4.5 Stars out of 5 and a rating of “Outstanding”.
So I guess it must be OK.

I have used Intego Virus Barrier/Net Barrier combo for a few years now.
It has always rated very well on reviews and does not noticeably effect my 
Mac’s performance like some others have done. I tried Kaspersky one time and it 
slowed everything down.

I figure if you pay for something then they are far more likely to do the right 
thing.



> On 25 Sep 2015, at 12:41 pm, FW  wrote:
> 
> Good morning all,
> 
> Has anyone heard of this one ? 
> Recommended in Australian Macworld.
> 
> Cheers
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[FW]

Good morning all,

Has anyone heard of this one ? 
Recommended in Australian Macworld.

Cheers
Walter
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