Re: [Warzone-dev] videos / briefings / pause 'bug'?
2006/9/20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: We just don't know what as is with no guarantee means in the legal sense, and if that conflicts with GPL in any way at all? Is this not also one of the reasons Rodzilla Grimandmandy Charun Henrivee Qamly Kevin ?? left the project to move on to their own RTS? Rodzilla got a new job that he is very happy about, and I think he just don't have time to follow the project any more. Qamly has/had a job that kept him away from computers for weeks. He probably found that it was unstable to be as committed as he was, to a project like this when you only have one or two weekends a month to work on it. Kevin is still Kevin. I haven't noticed any change in activety levels here ;) I recall hearing something about Grim not wanting to release his artwork under a GPL compatible license, and if he's not with us any more, then this could probably be the reason. I don't recall much about Charun Henrivee I really doubt that Eidos/pumpkin (who are now Pivotal)-- http://www.pivotalgames.com/index.php?content=warzonecat=support care, but I think the new person to contact would be Jim Bambra, Managing Director Pivotal Games. They say 'You can contact us at: [EMAIL PROTECTED]' Perhaps we can write up something again, and see if they can write a new license that is more clear for the GPL legal people so we can move on? Give it a shot. Though I'm skeptic. -- All good software releases were accidents corrected in the next version. ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [Warzone-dev] videos / briefings / pause 'bug'?
On Wednesday, 20 September 2006 at 19:02, Christian Vest Hansen wrote: 2006/9/20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I really doubt that Eidos/pumpkin (who are now Pivotal)-- http://www.pivotalgames.com/index.php?content=warzonecat=support care, but I think the new person to contact would be Jim Bambra, Managing Director Pivotal Games. They say 'You can contact us at: [EMAIL PROTECTED]' Perhaps we can write up something again, and see if they can write a new license that is more clear for the GPL legal people so we can move on? Give it a shot. Though I'm skeptic. The question is: Who owns the copyright to Warzone? The README says Thankyou to Jonathan Kemp of Eidos Europe for permitting the release. So, at that time, Eidos owned the copyright. Now what happened? Did Eidos transfer the copyright to the Pumpkin guys, as Virgil said? (They could have done it, there's no law (yet) that copyrights can only belong to corporations.) Then those are the ones to ask. I'd guess Pivotal has no role in that, other than them being employed there. So, asking Pivotal will only be successful if they actually do know anything about the Warzone affair. But if they don't, they might start assuming things, and that's the last thing we need... -- The politician is someone who deals in man's problems of adjustment. To ask a politician to lead us is to ask the tail of a dog to lead the dog. -- Buckminster Fuller ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [Warzone-dev] videos / briefings / pause 'bug'?
On Wednesday, 20 September 2006 at 12:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:15:26 -0400 Christian Ohm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday, 20 September 2006 at 1:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If not OK, then what, fork the SP MP/skirmish so we don't have to deal with GPL restrictions that make no sense for this game since everything *should* be covered by GPL, but we can never be 100% sure, since we can't contact anyone who can tell us? *BINGBINGBING* Wrong. If there is any doubt about the data's license (ie. we are not allowed to redistribute and change it), that will affect both the campaign and multiplayer modes, so there's no sense separating them. If that is the case (and it is highly unlikely, since the intention of the source release was the continued development of the game), we can stop the whole project. You sure about that? The SP game is the only thing that uses video I thought? The video playback is a thorn for GPL, since it uses non GPL content. The rest of the data can be viewed/used with no special codecs or anything else that might break GPL. Oh, you meant just the videos. I thought you were speaking of the whole data, because you mentioned the uncertainty around it. The video issue is crystal clear, we cannot redistribute any of those not included in the source archive (ie. those that are interesting). The format of the videos doesn't matter, a GPL program can use data that is not GPL (else you couldn't use GPL programs for commercial purposes). Just the whole source code has to be GPL (so until someone writes a GPLed implementation for the RPL video codec, we cannot play them in the GPLed Warzone). What I meant was the whole data. If we are not allowed to modify and distribute that, this project is over (then there is nothing to resurrect, just to conserve - and who wants the role of a curator?). -- You will outgrow your usefulness. ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [Warzone-dev] videos / briefings / pause 'bug'?
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:25:15 -0400 Christian Ohm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I meant was the whole data. If we are not allowed to modify and distribute that, this project is over (then there is nothing to resurrect, just to conserve - and who wants the role of a curator?). Did this not come up before, or is this more of a issue now since more people have found the project, and just the Debian guys are the first to ask more questions about the license? Doing some checking in the logs, to me it seems that there was a inadvertent GPL violation for the newer map editor that works with a higher color quality (32 bit versus 16bit) Coyote's hard disk crashed or something, and lost the source code. Does that matter? I was reading the GPL FAQ, and it said that if binaries are available and released, then the source must be with it. Wonder if any member of the warzone community is a lawyer? Looks like we need a international lawyer to deal with this stuff. Concerned about your privacy? Instantly send FREE secure email, no account required http://www.hushmail.com/send?l=480 Get the best prices on SSL certificates from Hushmail https://www.hushssl.com?l=485 ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
