Re: [RFC v2] Wayland presentation extension (video protocol)

2014-02-25 Thread Pekka Paalanen
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 23:25:18 +0100 Mario Kleiner mario.kleiner...@gmail.com wrote: On 21/02/14 09:36, Pekka Paalanen wrote: ... Atm. i have to verify on specific X-Server / ddx / Linux kernel versions, at least for the most common setups i care about, because there's always potential for

Re: [RFC v2] Wayland presentation extension (video protocol)

2014-02-24 Thread Mario Kleiner
On 21/02/14 09:36, Pekka Paalanen wrote: On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 06:40:02 +0100 Mario Kleiner mario.kleiner...@gmail.com wrote: On 20/02/14 12:07, Pekka Paalanen wrote: Hi Mario, Ok, now i am magically subscribed. Thanks to the moderator! Cool, I can start trimming out parts of the email.

Re: [RFC v2] Wayland presentation extension (video protocol)

2014-02-21 Thread Pekka Paalanen
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 06:40:02 +0100 Mario Kleiner mario.kleiner...@gmail.com wrote: On 20/02/14 12:07, Pekka Paalanen wrote: Hi Mario, Ok, now i am magically subscribed. Thanks to the moderator! Cool, I can start trimming out parts of the email. :-) I have replies to your comments

Re: [RFC v2] Wayland presentation extension (video protocol)

2014-02-20 Thread Pekka Paalanen
Hi Mario, I have replies to your comments below, but while reading what you said, I started wondering whether Wayland would be good for you after all. It seems that your timing sensitive experiment programs and you and your developers use a great deal of effort into - detecting the hardware and

Re: [RFC v2] Wayland presentation extension (video protocol)

2014-02-20 Thread Mario Kleiner
On 20/02/14 12:07, Pekka Paalanen wrote: Hi Mario, Ok, now i am magically subscribed. Thanks to the moderator! I have replies to your comments below, but while reading what you said, I started wondering whether Wayland would be good for you after all. It seems that your timing sensitive

Re: [RFC v2] Wayland presentation extension (video protocol)

2014-02-17 Thread Pekka Paalanen
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 03:23:40 + Zhang, Xiong Y xiong.y.zh...@intel.com wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-30 at 17:35 +0200, Pekka Paalanen wrote: Hi, it's time for a take two on the Wayland presentation extension. 1. Introduction The v1 proposal is here:

Re: [RFC v2] Wayland presentation extension (video protocol)

2014-02-17 Thread Pekka Paalanen
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 01:25:07 +0100 Mario Kleiner mario.kleiner...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Pekka, i'm not yet subscribed to wayland-devel, and a bit short on time atm., so i'll take a shortcut via direct e-mail for some quick feedback for your Wayland presentation extension v2. Hi Mario,

Re: [RFC v2] Wayland presentation extension (video protocol)

2014-02-16 Thread Zhang, Xiong Y
On Thu, 2014-01-30 at 17:35 +0200, Pekka Paalanen wrote: Hi, it's time for a take two on the Wayland presentation extension. 1. Introduction The v1 proposal is here: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/wayland-devel/2013-October/011496.html In v2 the basic idea is

Re: [RFC v2] Wayland presentation extension (video protocol)

2014-02-12 Thread Bill Spitzak
I think I was wrong to say the display time would always be = to the time the client specifies. It would be rounded just like you are saying, the nearest start time would be rounded to the nearest output frame start time and thus could be earlier. I tend to think of a frame as covering a

Re: [RFC v2] Wayland presentation extension (video protocol)

2014-02-12 Thread Pekka Paalanen
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 11:27:12 -0800 Bill Spitzak spit...@gmail.com wrote: I think I was wrong to say the display time would always be = to the time the client specifies. It would be rounded just like you are saying, the nearest start time would be rounded to the nearest output frame start

Re: [RFC v2] Wayland presentation extension (video protocol)

2014-02-11 Thread Pekka Paalanen
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 09:23:12 -0600 Jason Ekstrand ja...@jlekstrand.net wrote: On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 3:53 AM, Pekka Paalanen ppaala...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 8 Feb 2014 15:23:29 -0600 Jason Ekstrand ja...@jlekstrand.net wrote: Pekka, First off, I think you've done a great job

Re: [RFC v2] Wayland presentation extension (video protocol)

2014-02-11 Thread Pekka Paalanen
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 12:20:00 -0800 Bill Spitzak spit...@gmail.com wrote: Pekka Paalanen wrote: This algorithm aims to start showing an update between t-T/2 and t+T/2, which means that presentation may occur a little early or late, with an average of zero. Another option would be to show

Re: [RFC v2] Wayland presentation extension (video protocol)

2014-02-11 Thread Pekka Paalanen
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 12:03:41 -0800 Bill Spitzak spit...@gmail.com wrote: I think in absolute time you are right, the P points do not move. Instead everything else would move left by .5, resulting in the same image I described with the vertical arrows always tilting to the right. The green

Re: [RFC v2] Wayland presentation extension (video protocol)

2014-02-10 Thread Pekka Paalanen
On Sat, 8 Feb 2014 15:23:29 -0600 Jason Ekstrand ja...@jlekstrand.net wrote: Pekka, First off, I think you've done a great job over-all. I think it will both cover most cases and work well I've got a few comments below. Thank you for the review. :-) Replies below. On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at

Re: [RFC v2] Wayland presentation extension (video protocol)

2014-02-10 Thread Pekka Paalanen
On Sat, 8 Feb 2014 15:39:57 -0600 Jason Ekstrand ja...@jlekstrand.net wrote: On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:32 AM, Pekka Paalanen ppaala...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 17:35:17 +0200 Pekka Paalanen ppaala...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, it's time for a take two on the Wayland

Re: [RFC v2] Wayland presentation extension (video protocol)

2014-02-10 Thread Jason Ekstrand
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 3:53 AM, Pekka Paalanen ppaala...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 8 Feb 2014 15:23:29 -0600 Jason Ekstrand ja...@jlekstrand.net wrote: Pekka, First off, I think you've done a great job over-all. I think it will both cover most cases and work well I've got a few

Re: [RFC v2] Wayland presentation extension (video protocol)

2014-02-10 Thread Bill Spitzak
Pekka Paalanen wrote: This algorithm aims to start showing an update between t-T/2 and t+T/2, which means that presentation may occur a little early or late, with an average of zero. Another option would be to show the update between t and t+T, which would mean that presentation would be always

Re: [RFC v2] Wayland presentation extension (video protocol)

2014-02-08 Thread Jason Ekstrand
More comments! On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Pekka Paalanen ppaala...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 17:35:17 +0200 Pekka Paalanen ppaala...@gmail.com wrote: The v1 proposal is here: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/wayland-devel/2013-October/011496.html In v2 the

Re: [RFC v2] Wayland presentation extension (video protocol)

2014-02-08 Thread Jason Ekstrand
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:32 AM, Pekka Paalanen ppaala...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 17:35:17 +0200 Pekka Paalanen ppaala...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, it's time for a take two on the Wayland presentation extension. 1. Introduction The v1 proposal is here:

Re: [RFC v2] Wayland presentation extension (video protocol)

2014-02-08 Thread Axel Davy
Hi, On 08/02/2014, Jason Ekstrand wrote : For each surface with queued content updates and matching main output, the compositor picks the update with the highest timestamp no later than a half frame period after the predicted presentation time. The

Re: [RFC v2] Wayland presentation extension (video protocol)

2014-02-08 Thread Jason Ekstrand
OK, that makes more sense. Thank you for stating it in terms of intervals. I still need to think about it a bit more. On Feb 8, 2014 4:14 PM, Axel Davy axel.d...@ens.fr wrote: On 08/02/2014, Axel Davy wrote : Hi, On 08/02/2014, Jason Ekstrand wrote : For each surface with queued

Re: [RFC v2] Wayland presentation extension (video protocol)

2014-02-04 Thread Pekka Paalanen
On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 17:35:17 +0200 Pekka Paalanen ppaala...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, it's time for a take two on the Wayland presentation extension. 1. Introduction The v1 proposal is here: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/wayland-devel/2013-October/011496.html In

Re: [RFC v2] Wayland presentation extension (video protocol)

2014-01-31 Thread Pekka Paalanen
On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 17:35:17 +0200 Pekka Paalanen ppaala...@gmail.com wrote: The v1 proposal is here: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/wayland-devel/2013-October/011496.html In v2 the basic idea is the same: you can queue frames with a target presentation time, and you can get accurate