[webkit-dev] help
- Original Message - From:webkit-dev-requ...@lists.webkit.org webkit-dev-requ...@lists.webkit.org To:webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org Sent:15/11/2009 16:00 Subject:webkit-dev Digest, Vol 54, Issue 16 Send webkit-dev mailing list submissions to webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/webkit-dev or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to webkit-dev-requ...@lists.webkit.org You can reach the person managing the list at webkit-dev-ow...@lists.webkit.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of webkit-dev digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Staging WebSocket protocol deployment (Ian Hickson) 2. Re: Staging WebSocket protocol deployment (Ian Hickson) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 00:39:35 + (UTC) From: Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch To: Jeremy Orlow jor...@chromium.org Cc: Fumitoshi Ukai () u...@google.com,Alexey Proskuryakov a...@webkit.org, Noel Gordon n...@google.com, WebKit Development webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org Subject: Re: [webkit-dev] Staging WebSocket protocol deployment Message-ID: pine.lnx.4.62.0911150035580.30...@hixie.dreamhostps.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 13 Nov 2009, Jeremy Orlow wrote: I don't buy that at all. There's plenty of features with the webkit- prefix and I think it's pretty clear to developers what that means. IMHO it makes no difference to authors if they have to use webkit-ws: or ws: -- either way, they might come to depend on it, and either way if other browsers want to be compatible with code written for us, they have to use the same value. The features where we have the webkit- prefix are CSS properties and values. There, there's no problem with each browser vendor doing their own extension, since you can list multiple properties. This doesn't apply to URLs like here. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' -- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 00:41:33 + (UTC) From: Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch To: Adam Barth aba...@webkit.org Cc: Fumitoshi Ukai () u...@google.com,Alexey Proskuryakov a...@webkit.org, Noel Gordon n...@google.com, WebKit Development webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org Subject: Re: [webkit-dev] Staging WebSocket protocol deployment Message-ID: pine.lnx.4.62.0911150039460.30...@hixie.dreamhostps.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 13 Nov 2009, Adam Barth wrote: Does the IETF WG have a timeline? The IETF WG doesn't event exist yet. My understanding is that IETF WG take at least a year to do anything. They take as long as we (the community) let them take. As far as I'm concerned, the WebSocket feature is very mature. The IETF is late to this party; WebSocket has been under development since 2005. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' -- ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/webkit-dev End of webkit-dev Digest, Vol 54, Issue 16 ** ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/webkit-dev
Re: [webkit-dev] Staging WebSocket protocol deployment
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Adam Barth aba...@webkit.org wrote: Does the IETF WG have a timeline? My understanding is that IETF WG take at least a year to do anything. Here's the timeline for the HyBi WG: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki/HyBi Goals and Milestones: - Mar-2010: WGLC on the Design Space characterization (Informational) May-2010: WGLC on Requirements document on Short term solution Jul-2010: WGLC on Requirements document on Long term solution Nov-2010: Requirements to IESG Mar-2011: WGLC on Short term solution improvements Nov-2011: WGLC on Long term solution protocol I read this as one year for requirements and another year for a protocol assuming the WG stays on schedule. Adam ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/webkit-dev
Re: [webkit-dev] Staging WebSocket protocol deployment
Hi, I'm against prefixing with webkit- because of the following reasons. Reason 1: It connotes that the feature is experimental. That means there will be less developers seriously use that feature. Without serious use, we'll have less serious feedbacks from the real world. If the Web Socket has serious flaws, we should rather know them sooner than later. I'd say only serious uses can help us find the flaws faster. Reason 2: What should other browser vendors do? Should they use chrome-ws, firefox-ws, ie-ws, opera-ws, ..., etc? I believe at least developers will not happy with that. If the vendors need to reach the consensus on the common experimental name, say prelim-ws, then why not just use ws instead? Yuzo On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Adam Barth aba...@webkit.org wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Adam Barth aba...@webkit.org wrote: Does the IETF WG have a timeline? My understanding is that IETF WG take at least a year to do anything. Here's the timeline for the HyBi WG: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki/HyBi Goals and Milestones: - Mar-2010: WGLC on the Design Space characterization (Informational) May-2010: WGLC on Requirements document on Short term solution Jul-2010: WGLC on Requirements document on Long term solution Nov-2010: Requirements to IESG Mar-2011: WGLC on Short term solution improvements Nov-2011: WGLC on Long term solution protocol I read this as one year for requirements and another year for a protocol assuming the WG stays on schedule. Adam ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/webkit-dev ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/webkit-dev
Re: [webkit-dev] Staging WebSocket protocol deployment
On Sun, 15 Nov 2009, Adam Barth wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Adam Barth aba...@webkit.org wrote: Does the IETF WG have a timeline? My understanding is that IETF WG take at least a year to do anything. Here's the timeline for the HyBi WG: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki/HyBi Goals and Milestones: - Mar-2010: WGLC on the Design Space characterization (Informational) May-2010: WGLC on Requirements document on Short term solution Jul-2010: WGLC on Requirements document on Long term solution Nov-2010: Requirements to IESG Mar-2011: WGLC on Short term solution improvements Nov-2011: WGLC on Long term solution protocol I read this as one year for requirements and another year for a protocol assuming the WG stays on schedule. Then I guess WebSockets will be a WHATWG spec. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/webkit-dev
Re: [webkit-dev] using namespace style guideline
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Darin Adler da...@apple.com wrote: No using namespace statements are permitted in header files. The guidelines are talking about non-header files. We should clarify that. Thanks for your later reply explaining the history behind the using WTF::... statements. It sounds reasonable. I have a couple more questions related to the rule above though. (For everyone else's benefit, this rule now appears on the web site). I found there to be seven files in WebKit that don't follow this rule, and I wanted to double-check whether there should be any exceptions to it. In particular, the following file uses using namespace WTF::Unicode five times, but within the bodies of various template definitions: http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/WebCore/platform/text/BidiResolver.h (see line 304, for example) Is this also not okay? The following is another example. The using statement for this one appears at the beginning, outside of any definitions, but the file seems to be central: http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/JavaScriptGlue/JSUtils.h It uses using namespace JSC. My second question is whether the guideline above should apply, for the same reason, to all using statements within header files -- and not just to using namespace statements. Statements of the form using WTF::... would be exceptions. You've already discussed those here: https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2009-November/010453.html I checked, and there are only about 40 files in all of WebKit that wouldn't currently be following this -- slightly less than half of which are in JSC. --Chris ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/webkit-dev
