Re: [webkit-dev] Constructors for DOM4 Events

2013-02-07 Thread Kentaro Hara
Now all DOM4 event constructors (UIEvent, FocusEvent, MouseEvent,
WheelEvent, CompositionEvent and KeyboardEvent) are implemented under
a DOM4_EVENTS_CONSTRUCTOR flag.

Currently the flag is enabled on Safari and Chromium. Please enable
the flag once your port wants to enable the feature.

Before:
  event=document.createEvent(MouseEvents);
  
event.initMouseEvent(click,true,false,null,0,0,0,0,0,false,false,false,false,0,null);

After:
  event = new MouseEvent(click, {bubbles: true});

Spec: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/d4e/raw-file/tip/source_respec.htm
Bug: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67824



On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Sam Weinig wei...@apple.com wrote:
 Seems fine to me.

 -Sam

 On Jan 10, 2013, at 6:36 AM, Kentaro Hara hara...@chromium.org wrote:

 At TPAC there was no objection for DOM4 Event constructors (e.g. new
 MouseEvent()).

 Now DOM4 Event constructors are on editor's draft:
 http://html5labs.interoperabilitybridges.com/dom4events/
 https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/d4e/raw-file/tip/source_respec.htm

 Given the above, I am planning to implement them in WebKit (without
 any flag). If you have any concern, please let me know.

 Best Regards


 On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Kentaro Hara hara...@chromium.org wrote:
 Since TPAC is less than a month away, I don't understand why we can't wait 
 for that discussion.

 Sounds reasonable. I'll wait for TPAC.

 I do support the idea in general, and I plan to be at TPAC and will 
 advocate for it.

 I'll be also going to TPAC. I would appreciate your support.



 On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote:

 Since TPAC is less than a month away, I don't understand why we can't wait 
 for that discussion. I do support the idea in general, and I plan to be at 
 TPAC and will advocate for it.

 I understand that sometimes we need to move ahead of the spec. If there's 
 a reason not to wait a few extra weeks in this case, then please at least 
 use a prefix.

 Cheers,
 Maciej

 On Sep 30, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Kentaro Hara hara...@chromium.org wrote:

 TL;DR: Would it be OK to implement constructors for DOM4 Events in
 WebKit without waiting for the spec?


 == Background ==

 Events should have constructors. 'new XXXEvent()' is much easier than
 'e = document.createEvent(...); e.initXXXEvent(_a_lot_of_arguments_)'.
 We have already implemented constructors for a bunch of Events such as
 Event, CustomEvent, ProgressEvent, etc [5]. However, we have not yet
 implemented constructors for DOM4 Events (i.e. UIEvent, MouseEvent,
 KeyboardEvent, WheelEvent, TextEvent, CompositionEvent) because they
 are not yet speced.

 Recently PointerEvent was speced with [Constructor] [2]. Considering
 that PointerEvent inherits MouseEvent, now we want to support
 [Constructor] on MouseEvent
 too. In terms of implementation, it is possible to implement
 [Constructor] on PointerEvent without implementing [Constructor] on
 MouseEvent. However, implementing [Constructor] on both PointerEvent
 and MouseEvent would be best.

 == Rationale for implementing constructors for DOM4 Events ==

 I have been discussing this topic for one year, in www-dom@ [4] and a
 www.w3.org bug [3]. It looks like there is a consensus on introducing
 constructors for DOM4 Events. However, the spec is still a draft [1]
 and the www.w3.org bug [3] is marked as LATER. Last week I discussed
 the timeline of the spec with Jacob Rossi (a.k.a. a spec author of
 PointerEvent and DOM4 Events). According to him:

 - Their primary focus is on finishing DOM3 Events first.
 - With DOM3 Events in Candidate Recommendation, they are going to
 start working on the DOM4 Events. They will discuss it in TPAC.
 - They will introduce constructors to DOM4 Events.

 In summary, constructors for DOM4 Events are going to be speced, but
 it will take time. So I would like to implement them in WebKit a bit
 ahead of the spec (and thus implement PointerEvent constructors too).
 If you have any concern, please let me know.


 == References ==
 [1] The spec draft by Jacob Rossi:
 http://html5labs.interoperabilitybridges.com/dom4events/

 [2] The spec of Pointer Events:
 http://www.w3.org/Submission/pointer-events/

 [3] www.w3.org bug:
 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14051

 [4] Discussion on www-dom@:
 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2011OctDec/0081.html
 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2012JanMar/0025.html

 [5] WebKit bug:
 https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67824


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Re: [webkit-dev] Constructors for DOM4 Events

2013-01-13 Thread Sam Weinig
Seems fine to me.

-Sam

On Jan 10, 2013, at 6:36 AM, Kentaro Hara hara...@chromium.org wrote:

 At TPAC there was no objection for DOM4 Event constructors (e.g. new
 MouseEvent()).
 
 Now DOM4 Event constructors are on editor's draft:
 http://html5labs.interoperabilitybridges.com/dom4events/
 https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/d4e/raw-file/tip/source_respec.htm
 
 Given the above, I am planning to implement them in WebKit (without
 any flag). If you have any concern, please let me know.
 
 Best Regards
 
 
 On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Kentaro Hara hara...@chromium.org wrote:
 Since TPAC is less than a month away, I don't understand why we can't wait 
 for that discussion.
 
 Sounds reasonable. I'll wait for TPAC.
 
 I do support the idea in general, and I plan to be at TPAC and will 
 advocate for it.
 
 I'll be also going to TPAC. I would appreciate your support.
 
 
 
 On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote:
 
 Since TPAC is less than a month away, I don't understand why we can't wait 
 for that discussion. I do support the idea in general, and I plan to be at 
 TPAC and will advocate for it.
 
 I understand that sometimes we need to move ahead of the spec. If there's a 
 reason not to wait a few extra weeks in this case, then please at least use 
 a prefix.
 
 Cheers,
 Maciej
 
 On Sep 30, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Kentaro Hara hara...@chromium.org wrote:
 
 TL;DR: Would it be OK to implement constructors for DOM4 Events in
 WebKit without waiting for the spec?
 
 
 == Background ==
 
 Events should have constructors. 'new XXXEvent()' is much easier than
 'e = document.createEvent(...); e.initXXXEvent(_a_lot_of_arguments_)'.
 We have already implemented constructors for a bunch of Events such as
 Event, CustomEvent, ProgressEvent, etc [5]. However, we have not yet
 implemented constructors for DOM4 Events (i.e. UIEvent, MouseEvent,
 KeyboardEvent, WheelEvent, TextEvent, CompositionEvent) because they
 are not yet speced.
 
 Recently PointerEvent was speced with [Constructor] [2]. Considering
 that PointerEvent inherits MouseEvent, now we want to support
 [Constructor] on MouseEvent
 too. In terms of implementation, it is possible to implement
 [Constructor] on PointerEvent without implementing [Constructor] on
 MouseEvent. However, implementing [Constructor] on both PointerEvent
 and MouseEvent would be best.
 
 == Rationale for implementing constructors for DOM4 Events ==
 
 I have been discussing this topic for one year, in www-dom@ [4] and a
 www.w3.org bug [3]. It looks like there is a consensus on introducing
 constructors for DOM4 Events. However, the spec is still a draft [1]
 and the www.w3.org bug [3] is marked as LATER. Last week I discussed
 the timeline of the spec with Jacob Rossi (a.k.a. a spec author of
 PointerEvent and DOM4 Events). According to him:
 
 - Their primary focus is on finishing DOM3 Events first.
 - With DOM3 Events in Candidate Recommendation, they are going to
 start working on the DOM4 Events. They will discuss it in TPAC.
 - They will introduce constructors to DOM4 Events.
 
 In summary, constructors for DOM4 Events are going to be speced, but
 it will take time. So I would like to implement them in WebKit a bit
 ahead of the spec (and thus implement PointerEvent constructors too).
 If you have any concern, please let me know.
 
 
 == References ==
 [1] The spec draft by Jacob Rossi:
 http://html5labs.interoperabilitybridges.com/dom4events/
 
 [2] The spec of Pointer Events:
 http://www.w3.org/Submission/pointer-events/
 
 [3] www.w3.org bug:
 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14051
 
 [4] Discussion on www-dom@:
 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2011OctDec/0081.html
 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2012JanMar/0025.html
 
 [5] WebKit bug:
 https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67824
 
 
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Re: [webkit-dev] Constructors for DOM4 Events

2013-01-10 Thread Kentaro Hara
At TPAC there was no objection for DOM4 Event constructors (e.g. new
MouseEvent()).

Now DOM4 Event constructors are on editor's draft:
http://html5labs.interoperabilitybridges.com/dom4events/
https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/d4e/raw-file/tip/source_respec.htm

Given the above, I am planning to implement them in WebKit (without
any flag). If you have any concern, please let me know.

Best Regards


On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Kentaro Hara hara...@chromium.org wrote:
 Since TPAC is less than a month away, I don't understand why we can't wait 
 for that discussion.

 Sounds reasonable. I'll wait for TPAC.

 I do support the idea in general, and I plan to be at TPAC and will advocate 
 for it.

 I'll be also going to TPAC. I would appreciate your support.



 On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote:

 Since TPAC is less than a month away, I don't understand why we can't wait 
 for that discussion. I do support the idea in general, and I plan to be at 
 TPAC and will advocate for it.

 I understand that sometimes we need to move ahead of the spec. If there's a 
 reason not to wait a few extra weeks in this case, then please at least use 
 a prefix.

 Cheers,
 Maciej

 On Sep 30, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Kentaro Hara hara...@chromium.org wrote:

 TL;DR: Would it be OK to implement constructors for DOM4 Events in
 WebKit without waiting for the spec?


 == Background ==

 Events should have constructors. 'new XXXEvent()' is much easier than
 'e = document.createEvent(...); e.initXXXEvent(_a_lot_of_arguments_)'.
 We have already implemented constructors for a bunch of Events such as
 Event, CustomEvent, ProgressEvent, etc [5]. However, we have not yet
 implemented constructors for DOM4 Events (i.e. UIEvent, MouseEvent,
 KeyboardEvent, WheelEvent, TextEvent, CompositionEvent) because they
 are not yet speced.

 Recently PointerEvent was speced with [Constructor] [2]. Considering
 that PointerEvent inherits MouseEvent, now we want to support
 [Constructor] on MouseEvent
 too. In terms of implementation, it is possible to implement
 [Constructor] on PointerEvent without implementing [Constructor] on
 MouseEvent. However, implementing [Constructor] on both PointerEvent
 and MouseEvent would be best.

 == Rationale for implementing constructors for DOM4 Events ==

 I have been discussing this topic for one year, in www-dom@ [4] and a
 www.w3.org bug [3]. It looks like there is a consensus on introducing
 constructors for DOM4 Events. However, the spec is still a draft [1]
 and the www.w3.org bug [3] is marked as LATER. Last week I discussed
 the timeline of the spec with Jacob Rossi (a.k.a. a spec author of
 PointerEvent and DOM4 Events). According to him:

 - Their primary focus is on finishing DOM3 Events first.
 - With DOM3 Events in Candidate Recommendation, they are going to
 start working on the DOM4 Events. They will discuss it in TPAC.
 - They will introduce constructors to DOM4 Events.

 In summary, constructors for DOM4 Events are going to be speced, but
 it will take time. So I would like to implement them in WebKit a bit
 ahead of the spec (and thus implement PointerEvent constructors too).
 If you have any concern, please let me know.


 == References ==
 [1] The spec draft by Jacob Rossi:
 http://html5labs.interoperabilitybridges.com/dom4events/

 [2] The spec of Pointer Events:
 http://www.w3.org/Submission/pointer-events/

 [3] www.w3.org bug:
 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14051

 [4] Discussion on www-dom@:
 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2011OctDec/0081.html
 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2012JanMar/0025.html

 [5] WebKit bug:
 https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67824


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Re: [webkit-dev] Constructors for DOM4 Events

2013-01-10 Thread Maciej Stachowiak

+1 on the feature addition.

Please use a feature define so vendors can decide to ship the new functionality 
at a time of their choosing.

Cheers,
Maciej

On Jan 10, 2013, at 6:36 AM, Kentaro Hara hara...@chromium.org wrote:

 At TPAC there was no objection for DOM4 Event constructors (e.g. new
 MouseEvent()).
 
 Now DOM4 Event constructors are on editor's draft:
 http://html5labs.interoperabilitybridges.com/dom4events/
 https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/d4e/raw-file/tip/source_respec.htm
 
 Given the above, I am planning to implement them in WebKit (without
 any flag). If you have any concern, please let me know.
 
 Best Regards
 
 
 On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Kentaro Hara hara...@chromium.org wrote:
 Since TPAC is less than a month away, I don't understand why we can't wait 
 for that discussion.
 
 Sounds reasonable. I'll wait for TPAC.
 
 I do support the idea in general, and I plan to be at TPAC and will 
 advocate for it.
 
 I'll be also going to TPAC. I would appreciate your support.
 
 
 
 On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote:
 
 Since TPAC is less than a month away, I don't understand why we can't wait 
 for that discussion. I do support the idea in general, and I plan to be at 
 TPAC and will advocate for it.
 
 I understand that sometimes we need to move ahead of the spec. If there's a 
 reason not to wait a few extra weeks in this case, then please at least use 
 a prefix.
 
 Cheers,
 Maciej
 
 On Sep 30, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Kentaro Hara hara...@chromium.org wrote:
 
 TL;DR: Would it be OK to implement constructors for DOM4 Events in
 WebKit without waiting for the spec?
 
 
 == Background ==
 
 Events should have constructors. 'new XXXEvent()' is much easier than
 'e = document.createEvent(...); e.initXXXEvent(_a_lot_of_arguments_)'.
 We have already implemented constructors for a bunch of Events such as
 Event, CustomEvent, ProgressEvent, etc [5]. However, we have not yet
 implemented constructors for DOM4 Events (i.e. UIEvent, MouseEvent,
 KeyboardEvent, WheelEvent, TextEvent, CompositionEvent) because they
 are not yet speced.
 
 Recently PointerEvent was speced with [Constructor] [2]. Considering
 that PointerEvent inherits MouseEvent, now we want to support
 [Constructor] on MouseEvent
 too. In terms of implementation, it is possible to implement
 [Constructor] on PointerEvent without implementing [Constructor] on
 MouseEvent. However, implementing [Constructor] on both PointerEvent
 and MouseEvent would be best.
 
 == Rationale for implementing constructors for DOM4 Events ==
 
 I have been discussing this topic for one year, in www-dom@ [4] and a
 www.w3.org bug [3]. It looks like there is a consensus on introducing
 constructors for DOM4 Events. However, the spec is still a draft [1]
 and the www.w3.org bug [3] is marked as LATER. Last week I discussed
 the timeline of the spec with Jacob Rossi (a.k.a. a spec author of
 PointerEvent and DOM4 Events). According to him:
 
 - Their primary focus is on finishing DOM3 Events first.
 - With DOM3 Events in Candidate Recommendation, they are going to
 start working on the DOM4 Events. They will discuss it in TPAC.
 - They will introduce constructors to DOM4 Events.
 
 In summary, constructors for DOM4 Events are going to be speced, but
 it will take time. So I would like to implement them in WebKit a bit
 ahead of the spec (and thus implement PointerEvent constructors too).
 If you have any concern, please let me know.
 
 
 == References ==
 [1] The spec draft by Jacob Rossi:
 http://html5labs.interoperabilitybridges.com/dom4events/
 
 [2] The spec of Pointer Events:
 http://www.w3.org/Submission/pointer-events/
 
 [3] www.w3.org bug:
 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14051
 
 [4] Discussion on www-dom@:
 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2011OctDec/0081.html
 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2012JanMar/0025.html
 
 [5] WebKit bug:
 https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67824
 
 
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[webkit-dev] Constructors for DOM4 Events

2012-09-30 Thread Kentaro Hara
TL;DR: Would it be OK to implement constructors for DOM4 Events in
WebKit without waiting for the spec?


== Background ==

Events should have constructors. 'new XXXEvent()' is much easier than
'e = document.createEvent(...); e.initXXXEvent(_a_lot_of_arguments_)'.
We have already implemented constructors for a bunch of Events such as
Event, CustomEvent, ProgressEvent, etc [5]. However, we have not yet
implemented constructors for DOM4 Events (i.e. UIEvent, MouseEvent,
KeyboardEvent, WheelEvent, TextEvent, CompositionEvent) because they
are not yet speced.

Recently PointerEvent was speced with [Constructor] [2]. Considering
that PointerEvent inherits MouseEvent, now we want to support
[Constructor] on MouseEvent
too. In terms of implementation, it is possible to implement
[Constructor] on PointerEvent without implementing [Constructor] on
MouseEvent. However, implementing [Constructor] on both PointerEvent
and MouseEvent would be best.

== Rationale for implementing constructors for DOM4 Events ==

I have been discussing this topic for one year, in www-dom@ [4] and a
www.w3.org bug [3]. It looks like there is a consensus on introducing
constructors for DOM4 Events. However, the spec is still a draft [1]
and the www.w3.org bug [3] is marked as LATER. Last week I discussed
the timeline of the spec with Jacob Rossi (a.k.a. a spec author of
PointerEvent and DOM4 Events). According to him:

- Their primary focus is on finishing DOM3 Events first.
- With DOM3 Events in Candidate Recommendation, they are going to
start working on the DOM4 Events. They will discuss it in TPAC.
- They will introduce constructors to DOM4 Events.

In summary, constructors for DOM4 Events are going to be speced, but
it will take time. So I would like to implement them in WebKit a bit
ahead of the spec (and thus implement PointerEvent constructors too).
If you have any concern, please let me know.


== References ==
[1] The spec draft by Jacob Rossi:
http://html5labs.interoperabilitybridges.com/dom4events/

[2] The spec of Pointer Events:
http://www.w3.org/Submission/pointer-events/

[3] www.w3.org bug:
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14051

[4] Discussion on www-dom@:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2011OctDec/0081.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2012JanMar/0025.html

[5] WebKit bug:
https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67824


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Re: [webkit-dev] Constructors for DOM4 Events

2012-09-30 Thread Maciej Stachowiak

Since TPAC is less than a month away, I don't understand why we can't wait for 
that discussion. I do support the idea in general, and I plan to be at TPAC and 
will advocate for it.

I understand that sometimes we need to move ahead of the spec. If there's a 
reason not to wait a few extra weeks in this case, then please at least use a 
prefix.

Cheers,
Maciej

On Sep 30, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Kentaro Hara hara...@chromium.org wrote:

 TL;DR: Would it be OK to implement constructors for DOM4 Events in
 WebKit without waiting for the spec?
 
 
 == Background ==
 
 Events should have constructors. 'new XXXEvent()' is much easier than
 'e = document.createEvent(...); e.initXXXEvent(_a_lot_of_arguments_)'.
 We have already implemented constructors for a bunch of Events such as
 Event, CustomEvent, ProgressEvent, etc [5]. However, we have not yet
 implemented constructors for DOM4 Events (i.e. UIEvent, MouseEvent,
 KeyboardEvent, WheelEvent, TextEvent, CompositionEvent) because they
 are not yet speced.
 
 Recently PointerEvent was speced with [Constructor] [2]. Considering
 that PointerEvent inherits MouseEvent, now we want to support
 [Constructor] on MouseEvent
 too. In terms of implementation, it is possible to implement
 [Constructor] on PointerEvent without implementing [Constructor] on
 MouseEvent. However, implementing [Constructor] on both PointerEvent
 and MouseEvent would be best.
 
 == Rationale for implementing constructors for DOM4 Events ==
 
 I have been discussing this topic for one year, in www-dom@ [4] and a
 www.w3.org bug [3]. It looks like there is a consensus on introducing
 constructors for DOM4 Events. However, the spec is still a draft [1]
 and the www.w3.org bug [3] is marked as LATER. Last week I discussed
 the timeline of the spec with Jacob Rossi (a.k.a. a spec author of
 PointerEvent and DOM4 Events). According to him:
 
 - Their primary focus is on finishing DOM3 Events first.
 - With DOM3 Events in Candidate Recommendation, they are going to
 start working on the DOM4 Events. They will discuss it in TPAC.
 - They will introduce constructors to DOM4 Events.
 
 In summary, constructors for DOM4 Events are going to be speced, but
 it will take time. So I would like to implement them in WebKit a bit
 ahead of the spec (and thus implement PointerEvent constructors too).
 If you have any concern, please let me know.
 
 
 == References ==
 [1] The spec draft by Jacob Rossi:
 http://html5labs.interoperabilitybridges.com/dom4events/
 
 [2] The spec of Pointer Events:
 http://www.w3.org/Submission/pointer-events/
 
 [3] www.w3.org bug:
 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14051
 
 [4] Discussion on www-dom@:
 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2011OctDec/0081.html
 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2012JanMar/0025.html
 
 [5] WebKit bug:
 https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67824
 
 
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Re: [webkit-dev] Constructors for DOM4 Events

2012-09-30 Thread Kentaro Hara
 Since TPAC is less than a month away, I don't understand why we can't wait 
 for that discussion.

Sounds reasonable. I'll wait for TPAC.

 I do support the idea in general, and I plan to be at TPAC and will advocate 
 for it.

I'll be also going to TPAC. I would appreciate your support.



On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote:

 Since TPAC is less than a month away, I don't understand why we can't wait 
 for that discussion. I do support the idea in general, and I plan to be at 
 TPAC and will advocate for it.

 I understand that sometimes we need to move ahead of the spec. If there's a 
 reason not to wait a few extra weeks in this case, then please at least use a 
 prefix.

 Cheers,
 Maciej

 On Sep 30, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Kentaro Hara hara...@chromium.org wrote:

 TL;DR: Would it be OK to implement constructors for DOM4 Events in
 WebKit without waiting for the spec?


 == Background ==

 Events should have constructors. 'new XXXEvent()' is much easier than
 'e = document.createEvent(...); e.initXXXEvent(_a_lot_of_arguments_)'.
 We have already implemented constructors for a bunch of Events such as
 Event, CustomEvent, ProgressEvent, etc [5]. However, we have not yet
 implemented constructors for DOM4 Events (i.e. UIEvent, MouseEvent,
 KeyboardEvent, WheelEvent, TextEvent, CompositionEvent) because they
 are not yet speced.

 Recently PointerEvent was speced with [Constructor] [2]. Considering
 that PointerEvent inherits MouseEvent, now we want to support
 [Constructor] on MouseEvent
 too. In terms of implementation, it is possible to implement
 [Constructor] on PointerEvent without implementing [Constructor] on
 MouseEvent. However, implementing [Constructor] on both PointerEvent
 and MouseEvent would be best.

 == Rationale for implementing constructors for DOM4 Events ==

 I have been discussing this topic for one year, in www-dom@ [4] and a
 www.w3.org bug [3]. It looks like there is a consensus on introducing
 constructors for DOM4 Events. However, the spec is still a draft [1]
 and the www.w3.org bug [3] is marked as LATER. Last week I discussed
 the timeline of the spec with Jacob Rossi (a.k.a. a spec author of
 PointerEvent and DOM4 Events). According to him:

 - Their primary focus is on finishing DOM3 Events first.
 - With DOM3 Events in Candidate Recommendation, they are going to
 start working on the DOM4 Events. They will discuss it in TPAC.
 - They will introduce constructors to DOM4 Events.

 In summary, constructors for DOM4 Events are going to be speced, but
 it will take time. So I would like to implement them in WebKit a bit
 ahead of the spec (and thus implement PointerEvent constructors too).
 If you have any concern, please let me know.


 == References ==
 [1] The spec draft by Jacob Rossi:
 http://html5labs.interoperabilitybridges.com/dom4events/

 [2] The spec of Pointer Events:
 http://www.w3.org/Submission/pointer-events/

 [3] www.w3.org bug:
 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14051

 [4] Discussion on www-dom@:
 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2011OctDec/0081.html
 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2012JanMar/0025.html

 [5] WebKit bug:
 https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67824


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