Re: [webkit-dev] AX: Implement CSS -webkit-alt property (text alternative for generated content pseudo-elements ::before and ::after)

2013-10-08 Thread Dirk Schulze
On Oct 7, 2013, at 11:55 PM, Chris Fleizach cfleiz...@apple.com wrote: Hi Dirk, On Oct 7, 2013, at 12:36 AM, Dirk Schulze dschu...@adobe.com wrote: I am all for accessibility! But isn't the idea to keep content out of CSS so that it does not interfere with accessibility as much as

Re: [webkit-dev] AX: Implement CSS -webkit-alt property (text alternative for generated content pseudo-elements ::before and ::after)

2013-10-08 Thread James Craig
On Oct 8, 2013, at 1:02 AM, Dirk Schulze dschu...@adobe.com wrote: I hope you understand that I am not particularly concerned about Apples screen reader solution. It is one implementation. I would like to know if JAWS, NVDA, Dolphin and other are aboard. Withe the exception of NVDA, the

Re: [webkit-dev] AX: Implement CSS -webkit-alt property (text alternative for generated content pseudo-elements ::before and ::after)

2013-10-07 Thread Dirk Schulze
I am all for accessibility! But isn't the idea to keep content out of CSS so that it does not interfere with accessibility as much as possible? The main problem with the 'content' property is that it is not accessible. Why I really think it should not be used for more than symbols. ARIA and

Re: [webkit-dev] AX: Implement CSS -webkit-alt property (text alternative for generated content pseudo-elements ::before and ::after)

2013-10-07 Thread Chris Fleizach
Hi Dirk, On Oct 7, 2013, at 12:36 AM, Dirk Schulze dschu...@adobe.com wrote: I am all for accessibility! But isn't the idea to keep content out of CSS so that it does not interfere with accessibility as much as possible? The main problem with the 'content' property is that it is not

Re: [webkit-dev] AX: Implement CSS -webkit-alt property (text alternative for generated content pseudo-elements ::before and ::after)

2013-10-04 Thread Dean Jackson
On 3 Oct 2013, at 4:46 am, Christian Biesinger cbiesin...@chromium.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 8:26 PM, Ryosuke Niwa rn...@webkit.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 4:53 PM, James Craig jcr...@apple.com wrote: Follow-up question: Since this hasn’t made it into the CSS4 spec yet,

Re: [webkit-dev] AX: Implement CSS -webkit-alt property (text alternative for generated content pseudo-elements ::before and ::after)

2013-10-04 Thread Adam Barth
On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Dean Jackson d...@apple.com wrote: On 3 Oct 2013, at 4:46 am, Christian Biesinger cbiesin...@chromium.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 8:26 PM, Ryosuke Niwa rn...@webkit.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 4:53 PM, James Craig jcr...@apple.com wrote:

Re: [webkit-dev] AX: Implement CSS -webkit-alt property (text alternative for generated content pseudo-elements ::before and ::after)

2013-10-04 Thread Dean Jackson
On 5 Oct 2013, at 6:22 am, Adam Barth aba...@webkit.org wrote: On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Dean Jackson d...@apple.com wrote: On 3 Oct 2013, at 4:46 am, Christian Biesinger cbiesin...@chromium.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 8:26 PM, Ryosuke Niwa rn...@webkit.org wrote: On Tue, Oct

Re: [webkit-dev] AX: Implement CSS -webkit-alt property (text alternative for generated content pseudo-elements ::before and ::after)

2013-10-04 Thread Adam Barth
On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Dean Jackson d...@apple.com wrote: On 5 Oct 2013, at 6:22 am, Adam Barth aba...@webkit.org wrote: On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Dean Jackson d...@apple.com wrote: On 3 Oct 2013, at 4:46 am, Christian Biesinger cbiesin...@chromium.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 1,

Re: [webkit-dev] AX: Implement CSS -webkit-alt property (text alternative for generated content pseudo-elements ::before and ::after)

2013-10-04 Thread Dean Jackson
On 5 Oct 2013, at 6:45 am, Adam Barth aba...@webkit.org wrote: Also, our prefixing/unprefixing rules are not set in stone. I think the community will evaluate them case by case. I would encourage you (and others) not to ship new vendor-prefixed APIs in production releases. If the

Re: [webkit-dev] AX: Implement CSS -webkit-alt property (text alternative for generated content pseudo-elements ::before and ::after)

2013-10-02 Thread Christian Biesinger
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 8:26 PM, Ryosuke Niwa rn...@webkit.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 4:53 PM, James Craig jcr...@apple.com wrote: Follow-up question: Since this hasn’t made it into the CSS4 spec yet, should we temporarily use “-webkit-alt” for the property name? I know there has been

Re: [webkit-dev] AX: Implement CSS -webkit-alt property (text alternative for generated content pseudo-elements ::before and ::after)

2013-10-01 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 10:56 PM, James Craig jcr...@apple.com wrote: Did you realize you sent this off-list? Keeping my reply off-list, too. Oops, I must have pressed the wrong button. On Sep 30, 2013, at 10:42 PM, Ryosuke Niwa rn...@webkit.org wrote: Are you going to add a build flag for

Re: [webkit-dev] AX: Implement CSS -webkit-alt property (text alternative for generated content pseudo-elements ::before and ::after)

2013-10-01 Thread James Craig
Follow-up question: Since this hasn’t made it into the CSS4 spec yet, should we temporarily use “-webkit-alt” for the property name? I know there has been a push to move away from vendor prefixes lately, so if there are no objections, I propose we use the unprefixed version. On Sep 30, 2013,

Re: [webkit-dev] AX: Implement CSS -webkit-alt property (text alternative for generated content pseudo-elements ::before and ::after)

2013-10-01 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
Sounds ok to add it prefixed. - Maciej On Oct 1, 2013, at 4:53 PM, James Craig jcr...@apple.com wrote: Follow-up question: Since this hasn’t made it into the CSS4 spec yet, should we temporarily use “-webkit-alt” for the property name? I know there has been a push to move away from

Re: [webkit-dev] AX: Implement CSS -webkit-alt property (text alternative for generated content pseudo-elements ::before and ::after)

2013-10-01 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 4:53 PM, James Craig jcr...@apple.com wrote: Follow-up question: Since this hasn’t made it into the CSS4 spec yet, should we temporarily use “-webkit-alt” for the property name? I know there has been a push to move away from vendor prefixes lately, so if there are no

[webkit-dev] AX: Implement CSS -webkit-alt property (text alternative for generated content pseudo-elements ::before and ::after)

2013-09-30 Thread James Craig
AX: Implement CSS -webkit-alt property https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120188 This is blocking 20+ bugs on one of our higher profile content sites and we’d like to start work on it. To clarify, the problem is that with CSS generated content in pseudo-elements like this: