Re: [webkit-dev] Deprecating features guideline wiki

2012-04-30 Thread Julien Chaffraix
BTW, the page at https://trac.webkit.org/wiki/DeprecatingFeatures seems to be using deprecate in the sense of remove entirely. Is that what is meant? If so, I think it would be helpful to change the wording to removing features. In non-Web contexts, deprecate often means a step short of

Re: [webkit-dev] Deprecating features guideline wiki

2012-04-29 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Apr 27, 2012, at 6:29 PM, Dirk Pranke dpra...@chromium.org wrote: BTW, the page at https://trac.webkit.org/wiki/DeprecatingFeatures seems to be using deprecate in the sense of remove entirely. Is that what is meant? If so, I think it would be helpful to change the wording to removing

Re: [webkit-dev] Deprecating features guideline wiki

2012-04-29 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: On Apr 27, 2012, at 6:29 PM, Dirk Pranke dpra...@chromium.org wrote: BTW, the page at https://trac.webkit.org/wiki/DeprecatingFeatures seems to be using deprecate in the sense of remove entirely. Is that what is

Re: [webkit-dev] Deprecating features guideline wiki

2012-04-29 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Apr 29, 2012, at 1:04 PM, Ryosuke Niwa rn...@webkit.org wrote: On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: On Apr 27, 2012, at 6:29 PM, Dirk Pranke dpra...@chromium.org wrote: BTW, the page at https://trac.webkit.org/wiki/DeprecatingFeatures seems to be

Re: [webkit-dev] Deprecating features guideline wiki

2012-04-29 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: On Apr 29, 2012, at 1:04 PM, Ryosuke Niwa rn...@webkit.org wrote: On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: On Apr 27, 2012, at 6:29 PM, Dirk Pranke dpra...@chromium.org wrote: BTW,

Re: [webkit-dev] Deprecating features guideline wiki

2012-04-29 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Apr 29, 2012, at 1:18 PM, Ryosuke Niwa rn...@webkit.org wrote: On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: On Apr 29, 2012, at 1:04 PM, Ryosuke Niwa rn...@webkit.org wrote: On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: On Apr 27,

Re: [webkit-dev] Deprecating features guideline wiki

2012-04-27 Thread Dirk Pranke
Hi Julien, Thanks for the writeup! I definitely wanted to be in that discussion but it conflicted with another discussion I wanted to be in. It looks like I more or less agree with the writeup, though :). That said, what sort of officialness does this writeup/guideline/policy have? Do all the

Re: [webkit-dev] Deprecating features guideline wiki

2012-04-27 Thread Benjamin Poulain
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Dirk Pranke dpra...@chromium.org wrote: That said, what sort of officialness does this writeup/guideline/policy have? Do all the ports agree that this is what our stance should be? Everyone seemed to agree we just need to discuss each deprecation on webkit-dev

Re: [webkit-dev] Deprecating features guideline wiki

2012-04-27 Thread Eric Seidel
Is the concern that we've been deprecating too many things too quickly? On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Benjamin Poulain benja...@webkit.org wrote: On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Dirk Pranke dpra...@chromium.org wrote: That said, what sort of officialness does this writeup/guideline/policy

Re: [webkit-dev] Deprecating features guideline wiki

2012-04-27 Thread Benjamin Poulain
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Eric Seidel e...@webkit.org wrote: Is the concern that we've been deprecating too many things too quickly? Quite the contrary. People were concerned about the way to deprecate more stuff and making fewer mistakes when adding and removing features :)

Re: [webkit-dev] Deprecating features guideline wiki

2012-04-27 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
I think the concern is that, due to lack of clear standards, we end up not knowing when we can remove things. Thus, we end up with a lot of inconclusive and frustrating conversations, and people may shy away from even trying to remove things. BTW, the page at

Re: [webkit-dev] Deprecating features guideline wiki

2012-04-27 Thread Eric Seidel
Not having been to the meeting (but having read https://trac.webkit.org/wiki/DeprecatingFeatures), it struck me as though we were trying to add process (like we did for adding features last year), to deter deprecating things. On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Benjamin Poulain benja...@webkit.org

Re: [webkit-dev] Deprecating features guideline wiki

2012-04-27 Thread Dirk Pranke
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: I think the concern is that, due to lack of clear standards, we end up not knowing when we can remove things. Thus, we end up with a lot of inconclusive and frustrating conversations, and people may shy away from even

[webkit-dev] Deprecating features guideline wiki

2012-04-25 Thread Julien Chaffraix
Hi WebKittens, following the talk about Deprecating (web-facing) features and vendor prefixing [1], we decided to create a guideline covering new deprecations or un-prefixing [2]. The rationale is that this will avoid a lot of the mistakes that we have made in the previous deprecations and that