Re: [webkit-dev] Network Information API reboot: request for early feedback

2021-08-31 Thread Thomas Steiner via webkit-dev
> > I'm going to stop replying to this thread going forward since I have other > things to do but please note that my lack of future response does not, in > any way, constitute a lack of signal or acceptance of an argument, idea, or > amendment to the proposal. > > Apple's WebKit team is against

Re: [webkit-dev] Network Information API reboot: request for early feedback

2021-08-30 Thread Ryosuke Niwa via webkit-dev
On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 2:58 AM Thomas Steiner wrote: > On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 11:06 AM Ryosuke Niwa wrote: > >> On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 1:17 AM Thomas Steiner wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 1:00 AM Ryosuke Niwa wrote: >>> I don't think exposing the information about whether the

Re: [webkit-dev] Network Information API reboot: request for early feedback

2021-08-30 Thread Thomas Steiner via webkit-dev
> > OK, so you are using the existing OS-level network interface settings. > At least on Linux, that is a heuristic-based per-interface setting with > a manual override. > That's great. It's an entirely manual setting on Android and Windows, but I imagine certain rules like "SSID is 'Android AP'"

Re: [webkit-dev] Network Information API reboot: request for early feedback

2021-08-30 Thread Michael Catanzaro via webkit-dev
OK, so you are using the existing OS-level network interface settings. At least on Linux, that is a heuristic-based per-interface setting with a manual override. None of this happens without the user voluntarily revealing the information. How would that possibly work? A new type of

Re: [webkit-dev] Network Information API reboot: request for early feedback

2021-08-30 Thread Thomas Steiner via webkit-dev
> Why would it be implemented as a manual setting in the browser, rather > than a per-connection setting controlled by the OS? It’s exactly this, a per-connection setting controlled by the OS and reflected as is by the browser:

Re: [webkit-dev] Network Information API reboot: request for early feedback

2021-08-30 Thread Michael Catanzaro via webkit-dev
On Mon, Aug 30 2021 at 10:16:54 AM +0200, Thomas Steiner via webkit-dev wrote: Thanks for the reply, Ryosuke! Just to clarify, the `metered` attribute would be a manual user setting, not a browser heuristic. This means you could easily mark your all-data included WiFi at home as metered if

Re: [webkit-dev] Network Information API reboot: request for early feedback

2021-08-30 Thread Thomas Steiner via webkit-dev
On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 11:06 AM Ryosuke Niwa wrote: > On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 1:17 AM Thomas Steiner wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 1:00 AM Ryosuke Niwa wrote: >> >>> I don't think exposing the information about whether the connection is >>> metered or not is acceptable from the privacy

Re: [webkit-dev] Network Information API reboot: request for early feedback

2021-08-30 Thread Thomas Steiner via webkit-dev
(I noticed the spec preview link had gone stale. Please use https://raw.githack.com/tomayac/netinfo/relaunch/index.html instead.) ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org https://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev

Re: [webkit-dev] Network Information API reboot: request for early feedback

2021-08-30 Thread Ryosuke Niwa via webkit-dev
On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 1:17 AM Thomas Steiner wrote: > On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 1:00 AM Ryosuke Niwa wrote: > >> I don't think exposing the information about whether the connection is >> metered or not is acceptable from the privacy standpoint. Based on the IP >> address of a user & this

Re: [webkit-dev] Network Information API reboot: request for early feedback

2021-08-30 Thread Thomas Steiner via webkit-dev
On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 1:00 AM Ryosuke Niwa wrote: > I don't think exposing the information about whether the connection is > metered or not is acceptable from the privacy standpoint. Based on the IP > address of a user & this metered status, a website may even be able to tell > what kind of

Re: [webkit-dev] Network Information API reboot: request for early feedback

2021-08-28 Thread Ryosuke Niwa via webkit-dev
I don't think exposing the information about whether the connection is metered or not is acceptable from the privacy standpoint. Based on the IP address of a user & this metered status, a website may even be able to tell what kind of carrier plan a given user is in. - R. Niwa On Fri, Aug 20,

[webkit-dev] Network Information API reboot: request for early feedback

2021-08-20 Thread Thomas Steiner via webkit-dev
Hey WebKit folks, I have rebooted the Network Information API recently. This is all in a relatively early stage, but I thought now would be a good time to get your feedback on the proposal: - Motivational doc: