Re: [webkit-dev] Please do not enable ENABLE_INPUT_TYPE_DATETIME

2013-01-24 Thread TAMURA, Kent

Unfortunately I don't have data on mobile-targeted sites.  The number
'0.08% of input[type=date]' came from Google's web search repository.  So
it is basically on desktop-targeted sites.




On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Maciej Stachowiak  wrote:



On Jan 22, 2013, at 12:32 AM, "TAMURA, Kent"  wrote:



>
>
>> The two mail threads bounce back and forth between Hixie's opinion and
>> yours. Was there a conclusion reached anywhere on what to do with
datetime
>> and datetime-local?
>
> We agreed that existing implementations of input[type=datetime] were
wrong.
> But we have no
> conclusion of the type renaming and the expected UI.
> So, I don't think we can provide reasonable implementation of
> input[type=datetime] in WebKit
> anytime soon, and we had better stop shipping the wrong implementation
> before it is used widely.



Do we have any data on how much usage there is currently (most
particularly on mobile-targeted sites)?



Regards,
Maciej





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Re: [webkit-dev] Please do not enable ENABLE_INPUT_TYPE_DATETIME

2013-01-22 Thread Maciej Stachowiak

On Jan 22, 2013, at 12:32 AM, "TAMURA, Kent"  wrote:

> 
> 
>> The two mail threads bounce back and forth between Hixie's opinion and
>> yours. Was there a conclusion reached anywhere on what to do with datetime
>> and datetime-local?
> 
> We agreed that existing implementations of input[type=datetime] were wrong.
> But we have no
> conclusion of the type renaming and the expected UI.
> So, I don't think we can provide reasonable implementation of
> input[type=datetime] in WebKit
> anytime soon, and we had better stop shipping the wrong implementation
> before it is used widely.

Do we have any data on how much usage there is currently (most particularly on 
mobile-targeted sites)?

Regards,
Maciej

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Re: [webkit-dev] Please do not enable ENABLE_INPUT_TYPE_DATETIME

2013-01-22 Thread TAMURA, Kent




The two mail threads bounce back and forth between Hixie's opinion and
yours. Was there a conclusion reached anywhere on what to do with datetime
and datetime-local?


We agreed that existing implementations of input[type=datetime] were wrong.
But we have no
conclusion of the type renaming and the expected UI.
So, I don't think we can provide reasonable implementation of
input[type=datetime] in WebKit
anytime soon, and we had better stop shipping the wrong implementation
before it is used widely.


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Re: [webkit-dev] Please do not enable ENABLE_INPUT_TYPE_DATETIME

2013-01-21 Thread TAMURA, Kent




Please do not enable ENABLE_INPUT_TYPE_DATETIME to ship implementation in your products.



What do you recommend for products that have shipped it already?


I recommend to disable it in the next release of the products.  I'll
disable it for Android Chrome.

It's an incompatible change. However I think it won't have large impact
because the number
of input[type=datetime] in the web is only 0.08% of the number of
input[type=date]



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Re: [webkit-dev] Please do not enable ENABLE_INPUT_TYPE_DATETIME

2013-01-21 Thread Maciej Stachowiak

On Jan 20, 2013, at 9:55 PM, "TAMURA, Kent"  wrote:

> Please do not enable ENABLE_INPUT_TYPE_DATETIME to ship  type=datetime>implementation in your products.

What do you recommend for products that have shipped it already?

 - Maciej

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Re: [webkit-dev] Please do not enable ENABLE_INPUT_TYPE_DATETIME

2013-01-21 Thread Benjamin Poulain
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 9:55 PM, TAMURA, Kent  wrote:

> Please do not enable ENABLE_INPUT_TYPE_DATETIME to ship  type=datetime>implementation in your products.
>
> We had some discussion in WHATWG [1] [2] and realized 
> UIs in iOS Safari and Android Chrome are wrong and harmful. The current
> code for  in WebCore can't make a reasonable UI and
> should not be shipped in products.
>

The two mail threads bounce back and forth between Hixie's opinion and
yours. Was there a conclusion reached anywhere on what to do with datetime
and datetime-local?

I don't think just asking people to disable ENABLE_INPUT_TYPE_DATETIME will
get us far (why risk breaking existing websites without a minimum of
data?). Can you share the plan going forward?

Benjamin
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[webkit-dev] Please do not enable ENABLE_INPUT_TYPE_DATETIME

2013-01-20 Thread TAMURA, Kent

Please do not enable ENABLE_INPUT_TYPE_DATETIME to ship implementation in your products.

We had some discussion in WHATWG [1] [2] and realized 
UIs in iOS Safari and Android Chrome are wrong and harmful. The current
code for  in WebCore can't make a reasonable UI and
should not be shipped in products.


For other new input types, they are ready to implement platform-specific
code.  We're going to post an implementation guide or make a wiki page to
explain what is needed.


[1]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/2012Nov/thread.html#msg119
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/2013Jan/thread.html#msg45

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