Re: [webkit-dev] Where does WebKit end and Safari begin on Windows?

2008-04-28 Thread Benjamin Meyer
 I ask because I
 have tried both Adobe Air's WebKit port and the latest QT QWebView
 widget and I just don't see the same results - they are both good, but
 not nearly as smooth and pretty.  Why is Safari so much better, and is
 there any way to get that Safari experience in locked down fullscreen
 mode?

Hi there, would you be able to share your testing methodoligy so that 
hopefully the problem can be found and improved?  When you say you tested the 
latest Qt QWebView was that the one in webkit trunk or the one that was in 
the Qt 4.4rc1 release?

-Benjamin Meyer



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[webkit-dev] Where does WebKit end and Safari begin on Windows?

2008-04-25 Thread Patrick Gostovic
Hi List.

 

My company is developing an in-store kiosk application using DHTML/Ajax,
etc.  It has to be Windows for a variety of reasons.  The goal is to
have a nice looking interface with lots of tasteful, fancy animations.
We were initially planning to use Internet Explorer to maximize hardware
peripheral integration (i.e. card reader, proximity sensor, etc.) and
most kiosk management software vendors assume IE; but needless to say
IE's performance is suboptimal.  Firefox is much better.  But Safari
blows them all away in every respect - JavaScript performance, rendering
speed of animations, overall prettiness, etc.  My big question... How
much of Safari's prowess can be attributed to WebKit?  I ask because I
have tried both Adobe Air's WebKit port and the latest QT QWebView
widget and I just don't see the same results - they are both good, but
not nearly as smooth and pretty.  Why is Safari so much better, and is
there any way to get that Safari experience in locked down fullscreen
mode?

 

Thanks for indulging.

 

Patrick

 

p.s. apologies if this is not the appropriate forum for this question
:-).

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Re: [webkit-dev] Where does WebKit end and Safari begin on Windows?

2008-04-25 Thread Daniel Zucker
Hi Patrick,

Glad to hear the positive feedback on Safari/WebKit performance on Windows.


IMHO, this performance is due much more to the WebKit portion--much less to
the Safari layer.

Please note that if you would like to use WebKit on Windows, the mainstream
version requires non-redistributable Apple libraries.  This means you cannot
use it in a commercial application.

However, there is an effort underway to replace the Apple libraries with
opensource alternatives.  See
http://trac.webkit.org/projects/webkit/wiki/BuildingCairoOnWindows.  This
should give you a solution that you can use with your commercial
application.

Best,
Dan

On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 7:48 AM, Patrick Gostovic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

  Hi List.



 My company is developing an in-store kiosk application using DHTML/Ajax,
 etc.  It has to be Windows for a variety of reasons.  The goal is to have a
 nice looking interface with lots of tasteful, fancy animations.  We were
 initially planning to use Internet Explorer to maximize hardware peripheral
 integration (i.e. card reader, proximity sensor, etc.) and most kiosk
 management software vendors assume IE; but needless to say IE's performance
 is suboptimal.  Firefox is much better.  But Safari blows them all away in
 every respect – JavaScript performance, rendering speed of animations,
 overall prettiness, etc.  My big question… How much of Safari's prowess can
 be attributed to WebKit?  I ask because I have tried both Adobe Air's WebKit
 port and the latest QT QWebView widget and I just don't see the same results
 – they are both good, but not nearly as smooth and pretty.  Why is Safari so
 much better, and is there any way to get that Safari experience in locked
 down fullscreen mode?



 Thanks for indulging.



 Patrick



 p.s. apologies if this is not the appropriate forum for this question J.

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Re: [webkit-dev] Where does WebKit end and Safari begin on Windows?

2008-04-25 Thread Daniel Zucker
Hi Paul,


 You correctly determined that the current build instructions are out of
 date.  Yes, some updates are required.

 I have been planning to update the wiki page with enhanced directions on
 how to build.  Please wait and I will update it over the next couple of
 days.

 Best,
 Dan


 On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Paul Monson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 Should following the directions for building WebKit using Cairo and
 CURL work?  I tried to build webkit yesterday with updated source code based
 on the wiki page directions and I have 39 errors.

 My company is evaluating using WebKit on Windows CE and as a first step I
 am trying to build webkit on Windows XP without any non-redistributable
 Apple libraries.

 Best regards,
 Paul

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 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:00:24 -0700
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Subject: Re: [webkit-dev] Where does WebKit end and Safari begin on
 Windows?
 CC: webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org


 Hi Patrick,

 Glad to hear the positive feedback on Safari/WebKit performance on
 Windows.

 IMHO, this performance is due much more to the WebKit portion--much less
 to the Safari layer.

 Please note that if you would like to use WebKit on Windows, the
 mainstream version requires non-redistributable Apple libraries.  This means
 you cannot use it in a commercial application.

 However, there is an effort underway to replace the Apple libraries with
 opensource alternatives.  See
 http://trac.webkit.org/projects/webkit/wiki/BuildingCairoOnWindows.  This
 should give you a solution that you can use with your commercial
 application.

 Best,
 Dan

 On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 7:48 AM, Patrick Gostovic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  Hi List.

 My company is developing an in-store kiosk application using DHTML/Ajax,
 etc.  It has to be Windows for a variety of reasons.  The goal is to have a
 nice looking interface with lots of tasteful, fancy animations.  We were
 initially planning to use Internet Explorer to maximize hardware peripheral
 integration (i.e. card reader, proximity sensor, etc.) and most kiosk
 management software vendors assume IE; but needless to say IE's performance
 is suboptimal.  Firefox is much better.  But Safari blows them all away in
 every respect – JavaScript performance, rendering speed of animations,
 overall prettiness, etc.  My big question… How much of Safari's prowess can
 be attributed to WebKit?  I ask because I have tried both Adobe Air's WebKit
 port and the latest QT QWebView widget and I just don't see the same results
 – they are both good, but not nearly as smooth and pretty.  Why is Safari so
 much better, and is there any way to get that Safari experience in locked
 down fullscreen mode?

 Thanks for indulging.

 Patrick

 p.s. apologies if this is not the appropriate forum for this question J.

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