Re: [webkit-dev] Your opinion on a CSS proposal
On 07/06/2007, at 3:35 PM, Windy Road wrote: On 06/06/07, David D. Kilzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may be interested in these blogs as well: http://webkit.org/blog/55/high-dpi-web-sites/ http://webkit.org/blog/56/high-dpi-part-2/ Thanks for the heads up. I did find them interesting. Anyone got any thoughts on how to deliver high resolution images to high DPI screens and low resolution images to low DPI screens. http://webkit.org/blog/55/high-dpi-web-sites/ mentions using CSS 3's media queries to target a portion of a stylesheet based on the devices DPI. See http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-mediaqueries/ for more information. - Mark ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
Re: [webkit-dev] Your opinion on a CSS proposal
On 06/06/07, Rob Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think its an interesting idea. However, perhaps it would be better
to have an additional property that wouldn't conflict with the font-
size property. Something like font-size-transform (to avoid conflict
with font-size-adjust though this could still cause author
confusion).
I thought about this as well, but when I was developing the demo I
kept thinking What I really need is a way in CSS to tell the browser
that I don't care what the font size is, just make sure the line
length is X characters, whatever the width of the column is. This is
why I thought of font-size: auto
hmm... maybe line-length is a better option. e.g. adjusting my previous example
body {
width: 100%;
line-length: 62.5em;
}
#main-column {
width: 80%;
}
#secondary-column {
width: 20%;
}
Thoughts?
Cheers,
--
Tom Howard
http://windyroad.org
___
webkit-dev mailing list
webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org
http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
Re: [webkit-dev] Your opinion on a CSS proposal
On 06/06/07, David D. Kilzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may be interested in these blogs as well: http://webkit.org/blog/55/high-dpi-web-sites/ http://webkit.org/blog/56/high-dpi-part-2/ Thanks for the heads up. I did find them interesting. Anyone got any thoughts on how to deliver high resolution images to high DPI screens and low resolution images to low DPI screens. Cheers, -- Tom Howard http://windyroad.org ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
Re: [webkit-dev] Your opinion on a CSS proposal
Its not easy to do these days. In my opinion, this is one of the key features needed for an HTTP 1.2 (along with event/change notifications and a few other things). Apache can probably be configured to do this, but I'm not sure that there's a way to easily get the HTTP clients to request a particular resolution. Take care, Rob On Jun 7, 2007, at 12:35 AM, Windy Road wrote: On 06/06/07, David D. Kilzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may be interested in these blogs as well: http://webkit.org/blog/55/high-dpi-web-sites/ http://webkit.org/blog/56/high-dpi-part-2/ Thanks for the heads up. I did find them interesting. Anyone got any thoughts on how to deliver high resolution images to high DPI screens and low resolution images to low DPI screens. Cheers, -- Tom Howard http://windyroad.org ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
[webkit-dev] Your opinion on a CSS proposal
Hi, Sorry in advance if this is the wrong place/way to ask this. I recently posted on the www-style list a proposal for allowing the 'font-size' CSS property to have a value of 'auto': http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Jun/0016.html The basic idea is that when font-size: auto is used, the browser would calculate the font-size based on the element's width margins and padding. A javascript mockup is available at: http://windyroad.org/static/resolution-independence/ What I would like to know, if you can spare the time, is what you, the webkit developers, feel about this proposal. I'm not involved in any browser development, so I don't know the implications such a proposal would have if is at all feasible. Thanks for your time, -- Tom Howard http://windyroad.org ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
Re: [webkit-dev] Your opinion on a CSS proposal
You may be interested in these blogs as well: http://webkit.org/blog/55/high-dpi-web-sites/ http://webkit.org/blog/56/high-dpi-part-2/ Dave Windy Road [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Sorry in advance if this is the wrong place/way to ask this. I recently posted on the www-style list a proposal for allowing the 'font-size' CSS property to have a value of 'auto': http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Jun/0016.html The basic idea is that when font-size: auto is used, the browser would calculate the font-size based on the element's width margins and padding. A javascript mockup is available at: http://windyroad.org/static/resolution-independence/ What I would like to know, if you can spare the time, is what you, the webkit developers, feel about this proposal. I'm not involved in any browser development, so I don't know the implications such a proposal would have if is at all feasible. Thanks for your time, -- Tom Howard http://windyroad.org ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
Re: [webkit-dev] Your opinion on a CSS proposal
Tom, Overlooking for the moment the problem Dave H raised, what would the rendering engine be aiming to do with the text when font-size was auto? I assume this is to make the resolution independent example you've made easier to implement, how does it help that? WM On 6/6/07, Windy Road [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Sorry in advance if this is the wrong place/way to ask this. I recently posted on the www-style list a proposal for allowing the 'font-size' CSS property to have a value of 'auto': http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Jun/0016.html The basic idea is that when font-size: auto is used, the browser would calculate the font-size based on the element's width margins and padding. A javascript mockup is available at: http://windyroad.org/static/resolution-independence/ What I would like to know, if you can spare the time, is what you, the webkit developers, feel about this proposal. I'm not involved in any browser development, so I don't know the implications such a proposal would have if is at all feasible. Thanks for your time, -- Tom Howard http://windyroad.org ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
Re: [webkit-dev] Your opinion on a CSS proposal
On Jun 6, 2007, at 12:01 AM, Windy Road wrote:
On 06/06/07, Wesley Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Overlooking for the moment the problem Dave H raised, what would the
rendering engine be aiming to do with the text when font-size was
auto? I assume this is to make the resolution independent example
you've made easier to implement, how does it help that?
Just say you wanted a RI (resolution independent) web page with a body
width of 62.5em, which comprises of a main column which is takes up
80% and a secondary column which takes up the remaining 20%. The hope
is font-size: auto, would allow you to use the following CSS
body {
width: 62.5em;
font-size: auto;
}
#main-column {
width: 80%;
}
#secondary-column {
width: 20%;
}
Such a page would look identical on a 640px wide browser as a 1900px
wide browser in every aspect, except that the font would be much more
detailed in the 1900px wide browser.
While the demonstration shows this is achievable with Javascript,
there is quite a lot of 'scaffolding' to hold it all together. Also,
I feel it is something that belongs more in the realms of CSS than
Javascript (you know, the whole separation of responsibilities).
I'll also admit that font-size auto does not address how to request
the server to deliver a correctly scaled version of an image, video or
similar.
I think its an interesting idea. However, perhaps it would be better
to have an additional property that wouldn't conflict with the font-
size property. Something like font-size-transform (to avoid conflict
with font-size-adjust though this could still cause author
confusion). In this way, the width and height in the box model could
continue to bet set relative to font-size (an important part of
resolution independent CSS). However, there could be a font-size-
transform that scaled the font-size relative to the enclosing content
box after the other properties are determined. That's just a reaction
off the top of my head.
Take care,
Rob
___
webkit-dev mailing list
webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org
http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
Re: [webkit-dev] Your opinion on a CSS proposal
On 06/06/07, David Hyatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Except that the width of an element can depend on the font size. And in those situations (say a floated element), specifying font-size: auto would be invalid and should be ignored. Your idea is interesting, but it can't really be defined using font- size. It's more of an after-the-fact adjiustment based off the calculated width of a block. So let me rephase the question. Do you think the effect I'm trying to achieve should be specified via CSS or Javascript? If the former, do you have any suggestions on how? Cheers, -- Tom Howard http://windyroad.org ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
