[webkit-dev] Single-page apps without Javascript W3C proposal interest?
Hi, I submitted a proposal to W3C WHATWG to enhance HTML to support single-page apps without using Javascript: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/2015Mar/0071.html And here’s a document on Github that’s clearer than that email: https://github.com/mozumder/html6 This proposal somehow went viral: http://www.infoworld.com/article/2901436/internet/faster-web-page-loading-without-javascript.html (includes an analyst quote) http://sdtimes.com/w3c-member-proposes-single-page-apps-without-javascript-in-html6/ (been a top trending story for the last week) http://blog.smartbear.com/web-development/html6-apis-as-natural-friends/ http://jaxenter.com/html6-proposal-for-single-page-apps-without-javascript-causes-scandal-115919.html and lots more, in different languages around the world. If you search “html6” on Twitter, you’ll see. There are hundreds or thousands of shares, upvotes, comments, etc. So it looks like a lot of people want something like this to happen. I believe it represents web developers’ dissatisfaction in having to use these Javascript frameworks to do something basic that should have been a part of the HTML spec, that is, dynamic loading of content. I put this proposal out there as a result of my own frustrations with these frameworks being constantly redesigned. I’m checking if there’s any interest from the Webkit team on this? I’m trying to plan the next steps and probably wouldn’t proceed without at least some sort of interest or guidance from the browser vendors. (maybe this is technically impossible, etc..) Next steps would probably include working on a full spec, and possibly implementation. I have built WebKit nightly before, but haven’t modified any of its code, and I suspect something like this would be way beyond me time-wise to fully implement myself, but if there’s interest, I could possibly figure out some options. Anyways do let me know of any interest. -bobby --- Bobby Mozumder Editor-in-Chief FutureClaw Magazine mozum...@futureclaw.com mailto:mozum...@futureclaw.com +1-240-745-5287 www.futureclaw.com http://www.futureclaw.com/ twitter.com/futureclaw https://www.twitter.com/futureclaw www.linkedin.com/in/mozumder http://www.linkedin.com/in/mozumder ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org https://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
Re: [webkit-dev] Single-page apps without Javascript W3C proposal interest?
IMHO JavaScript is a better solution for this. Instead of baking a custom solution into the engine that solve a single use case, we have a fast lightweight language that let you solve any use cases you have. Did any vendor actually respond positively to the whatwg proposal? Benjamin On 3/27/15 12:49 AM, Bobby Mozumder wrote: Hi, I submitted a proposal to W3C WHATWG to enhance HTML to support single-page apps without using Javascript: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/2015Mar/0071.html And here’s a document on Github that’s clearer than that email: https://github.com/mozumder/html6 This proposal somehow went viral: http://www.infoworld.com/article/2901436/internet/faster-web-page-loading-without-javascript.html (includes an analyst quote) http://sdtimes.com/w3c-member-proposes-single-page-apps-without-javascript-in-html6/ (been a top trending story for the last week) http://blog.smartbear.com/web-development/html6-apis-as-natural-friends/ http://jaxenter.com/html6-proposal-for-single-page-apps-without-javascript-causes-scandal-115919.html and lots more, in different languages around the world. If you search “html6” on Twitter, you’ll see. There are hundreds or thousands of shares, upvotes, comments, etc. So it looks like a lot of people want something like this to happen. I believe it represents web developers’ dissatisfaction in having to use these Javascript frameworks to do something basic that should have been a part of the HTML spec, that is, dynamic loading of content. I put this proposal out there as a result of my own frustrations with these frameworks being constantly redesigned. I’m checking if there’s any interest from the Webkit team on this? I’m trying to plan the next steps and probably wouldn’t proceed without at least some sort of interest or guidance from the browser vendors. (maybe this is technically impossible, etc..) Next steps would probably include working on a full spec, and possibly implementation. I have built WebKit nightly before, but haven’t modified any of its code, and I suspect something like this would be way beyond me time-wise to fully implement myself, but if there’s interest, I could possibly figure out some options. Anyways do let me know of any interest. -bobby --- Bobby Mozumder /Editor-in-Chief/ FutureClaw Magazine mozum...@futureclaw.com mailto:mozum...@futureclaw.com +1-240-745-5287 www.futureclaw.com http://www.futureclaw.com/ twitter.com/futureclaw https://www.twitter.com/futureclaw www.linkedin.com/in/mozumder http://www.linkedin.com/in/mozumder ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org https://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org https://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
Re: [webkit-dev] Single-page apps without Javascript W3C proposal interest?
Hi Benjamin, Thank you for the feedback. I haven’t heard a response from them and haven’t asked any other vendor directly.. I started with Webkit first as that’s what I’m most familiar with, and our fashion audience is mostly Mac/iOS Safari anyways. (then Chrome, then IE, then finally a bit of Firefox) I’ll check with the other vendors, but right now is it a definite no or more of skepticism/not enough info? (which is fine, as I expect this process to take years to go through, figure out specs, security holes, prototypes, implementations, etc..) I’m looking at this as more of a standard enhancement to HTML, usable by the 200 million Tumblr blogs, or 75 million Wordpress sites, that aren’t doing complex apps, but just basic document reading. All these sites have to reload full pages, but this proposal would allow their pages to be served quicker, without forcing these hundreds of million sites to go through Javascript. Lots of these sites are run by high-school kids, and forcing them to go through Angular or Ember or React would probably be too much, so they’re stuck with full page refreshes done by A href=“”. Javascript would be a huge impediment to their basic needs, as it’s infinitely more complex than HTML. Some of the comments and feedback web developers put out include that view as well, that declarative dynamic reloads should have been a basic part of HTML. -bobby On Mar 27, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Benjamin Poulain benja...@webkit.org wrote: IMHO JavaScript is a better solution for this. Instead of baking a custom solution into the engine that solve a single use case, we have a fast lightweight language that let you solve any use cases you have. Did any vendor actually respond positively to the whatwg proposal? Benjamin On 3/27/15 12:49 AM, Bobby Mozumder wrote: Hi, I submitted a proposal to W3C WHATWG to enhance HTML to support single-page apps without using Javascript: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/2015Mar/0071.html And here’s a document on Github that’s clearer than that email: https://github.com/mozumder/html6 This proposal somehow went viral: http://www.infoworld.com/article/2901436/internet/faster-web-page-loading-without-javascript.html (includes an analyst quote) http://sdtimes.com/w3c-member-proposes-single-page-apps-without-javascript-in-html6/ (been a top trending story for the last week) http://blog.smartbear.com/web-development/html6-apis-as-natural-friends/ http://jaxenter.com/html6-proposal-for-single-page-apps-without-javascript-causes-scandal-115919.html and lots more, in different languages around the world. If you search “html6” on Twitter, you’ll see. There are hundreds or thousands of shares, upvotes, comments, etc. So it looks like a lot of people want something like this to happen. I believe it represents web developers’ dissatisfaction in having to use these Javascript frameworks to do something basic that should have been a part of the HTML spec, that is, dynamic loading of content. I put this proposal out there as a result of my own frustrations with these frameworks being constantly redesigned. I’m checking if there’s any interest from the Webkit team on this? I’m trying to plan the next steps and probably wouldn’t proceed without at least some sort of interest or guidance from the browser vendors. (maybe this is technically impossible, etc..) Next steps would probably include working on a full spec, and possibly implementation. I have built WebKit nightly before, but haven’t modified any of its code, and I suspect something like this would be way beyond me time-wise to fully implement myself, but if there’s interest, I could possibly figure out some options. Anyways do let me know of any interest. -bobby --- Bobby Mozumder /Editor-in-Chief/ FutureClaw Magazine mozum...@futureclaw.com mailto:mozum...@futureclaw.com mailto:mozum...@futureclaw.com mailto:mozum...@futureclaw.com +1-240-745-5287 www.futureclaw.com http://www.futureclaw.com/ http://www.futureclaw.com/ http://www.futureclaw.com/ twitter.com/futureclaw http://twitter.com/futureclaw https://www.twitter.com/futureclaw https://www.twitter.com/futureclaw www.linkedin.com/in/mozumder http://www.linkedin.com/in/mozumder http://www.linkedin.com/in/mozumder http://www.linkedin.com/in/mozumder ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org mailto:webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org https://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev https://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org https://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
