I missed the first minutes, but I did not hear anyone demand that it
be Open Sourced or moved back to Objective-C. That is the first time
in several years!
On Jun 15, 2007, at 10:54 AM, Gavin Eadie wrote:
At 8:14 AM -0500 6/12/07, James Cicenia wrote:
Can we at least get a nugget like..
crap.
Bruce
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On 16/06/2007, at 8:56 AM, Pierre Bernard wrote:
>> We hav
On Friday, June 15, 2007, at 02:12PM, "Janine Sisk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ... I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in feeling that the face time
> with other developers alone is worth the price of admission. ...
Agreed! Every year I'm amazed at the number of tips, tricks, specific details,
On Jun 16, 2007, at 1:56 AM, Pierre Bernard wrote:
Hibernate is a joke of a pile of crap! It is by no means a
persistence framework. You might at best call it a SQL generator.
No validation, no object graph management, makes you have SQL-like
Strings in your Java code, ...
Hehe, hear ya
Beware of Hibernate!
* You cannot write clean code that ages well: you mix model
information, java code and SQL in one file. The compiler cannot
validate HQL/SQL
* No way to query the model. Thus no fancy stuff like D2W is possible
* No transactions !!! You must add Spring to get transacti
So far I have to agree with your assessment regarding the differences. While
we are still pretty early on in learning Hibernate and we have never used
any previous version than the current release. Here are some things that we
have found to be actually pretty cool about Hibernate:
* EOF and most O
On 16/06/2007, at 8:56 AM, Pierre Bernard wrote:
We have been seriously investigating Hibernate.
No matter where in the world you are now. You might have heard me
crying!
I had the "pleasure" to be involved in a Hibernate project. I
wouldn't know where to start criticizing this whateve
We have been seriously investigating Hibernate.
No matter where in the world you are now. You might have heard me
crying!
I had the "pleasure" to be involved in a Hibernate project. I
wouldn't know where to start criticizing this whatever you want to
call it. I actually purged much of my
At 11:42 AM -0700 6/15/07, Chuck Hill wrote:
The move would not be easy but in light of the lack of news I don't
think we have a lot of choice from a business perspective.
... if this is a big deal for you, or your company, it might be worth
the investment of a trip to Cupertino to talk to peo
I don't think that what was not mentioned is under NDA so...
On Jun 15, 2007, at 11:17 AM, Dov Rosenberg wrote:
I am curious about a few things that perhaps people can comment on:
1. Is EOF going to support JPA (Java Persistence Architecture)
anytime soon?
2. Is direct support for connecti
Well that is good to know. With all the non-news, and quite frankly
disappointing news, I had no desire to spend the money and the time
to go.
However, with this bit of news, I will definitely attend next year.
On Jun 15, 2007, at 2:34 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
On Jun 15, 2007, at 9:52 AM, Mar
On Jun 15, 2007, at 9:52 AM, Mark Ritchie wrote:
On 12-Jun-07, at 12:24 PM, netBrackets wrote:
Without giving any technical details, can you state whether you're:
A. More excited about WO than before the session.
B. Less excited about WO than before the session.
C. About the same.
A++ for th
I am curious about a few things that perhaps people can comment on:
1. Is EOF going to support JPA (Java Persistence Architecture) anytime soon?
2. Is direct support for connection pooling going to be implemented?
3. Any word on open source status?
We have been seriously investigating Hibernate.
Well having devoted three full years with WebObjects I am finally
feeling ok with my decision. Don't get me wrong the learning curve
was steep,
however, I had a secret weapon back in the first six months... this
list and Chuck.
I too now have a very nice success story with WebObjects. And,
The session list is never complete when first posted; I don't think
they make that very clear, but they add things all the time. There
are even new sessions announced the night before sometimes. So It's
best to make the assumption that there will be something for just
about everyone.
B
When Apple first posted the sessions for WWDC, it looked like there
would be absolutely nothing at all about WebObjects at the developers
conference (I was under the impression that this was the major
impetus for WOWODC). So after WOWODC, I opted to skip WWDC and head
back home. I am now
At 8:14 AM -0500 6/12/07, James Cicenia wrote:
Can we at least get a nugget like..
things are happening?
same as it always is.. nothing new.. just opensource.
We just finished the WebObjects Feedback session, about forty
questions and suggestions to the Apple people up front
Hmm, I think I can only go so far as A+ - I guess I am just not as
exuberant as Mark and Pierre. Call it understated happiness. :)
janine
On Jun 15, 2007, at 10:09 AM, Pierre Bernard wrote:
A++
On Jun 15, 2007, at 9:52 AM, Mark Ritchie wrote:
A++
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On 12-Jun-07, at 12:24 PM, netBrackets wrote:
Without giving any technical details, can you state whether you're:
A. More excited about WO than before the session.
B. Less excited about WO than before the session.
C. About the same.
Just to be clear, I'm A++
NDA precludes further specific comme
On 12 Jun 2007, at 18:45, Mike Schrag wrote:
:)
On Jun 12, 2007, at 9:40 AM, Guido Neitzer wrote:
On 12.06.2007, at 09:32, Chuck Hill wrote:
This is a good year for WebObjects. And I have not even been to
the session yet. :-)
;-)
cug, sitting in an Objective-C session and being jeal
:)
On Jun 12, 2007, at 9:40 AM, Guido Neitzer wrote:
On 12.06.2007, at 09:32, Chuck Hill wrote:
This is a good year for WebObjects. And I have not even been to
the session yet. :-)
;-)
cug, sitting in an Objective-C session and being
jealous ...
We were bummed too. Hopefully you can make it next year!
On Jun 12, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:
I'm so BUMMED I couldn't be there!
On Jun 12, 2007, at 12:46 PM, Mark Ritchie wrote:
On Tuesday, June 12, 2007, at 12:33PM, "Chuck Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
village.net> wrote:
This i
I'm so BUMMED I couldn't be there!
On Jun 12, 2007, at 12:46 PM, Mark Ritchie wrote:
On Tuesday, June 12, 2007, at 12:33PM, "Chuck Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
village.net> wrote:
This is a good year for WebObjects. And I have not even been to the
session yet. :-)
Indeed!! The WOWODC event on
On Tuesday, June 12, 2007, at 12:33PM, "Chuck Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>This is a good year for WebObjects. And I have not even been to the
>session yet. :-)
Indeed!! The WOWODC event on Sunday was fabulous start to the week!
And no, I've not been to any WebObjects sessions yet either
On 12.06.2007, at 09:32, Chuck Hill wrote:
This is a good year for WebObjects. And I have not even been to
the session yet. :-)
;-)
cug, sitting in an Objective-C session and being jealous ...
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This is a good year for WebObjects. And I have not even been to the
session yet. :-)
Chuck
On Jun 12, 2007, at 9:29 AM, James Cicenia wrote:
LOL . that was great...
Can anyone answer Jeff's simple survey.. please.
-j-
On Jun 12, 2007, at 11:24 AM, netBrackets wrote:
Without givin
LOL . that was great...
Can anyone answer Jeff's simple survey.. please.
-j-
On Jun 12, 2007, at 11:24 AM, netBrackets wrote:
Without giving any technical details, can you state whether you're:
A. More excited about WO than before the session.
B. Less excited about WO than before the ses
Without giving any technical details, can you state whether you're:
A. More excited about WO than before the session.
B. Less excited about WO than before the session.
C. About the same.
Jeff
On Tuesday, June 12, 2007, at 11:15AM, "Chuck Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Correct. There are lar
Correct. There are large signs up all over WWDC reminding people
that all the information they receive is confidential and under NDA.
While I don't really like this, I am bound by the agreement that I
have made.
Chuck
On Jun 12, 2007, at 2:01 AM, Christian Brunschen wrote:
On Jun 12,
Same as last year - Apple will make whatever announcements as
necessary to the community as soon as they can. Last year they sent
an email to this list detailing the goings-on... but it's Apple's job
to do.
On Jun 12, 2007, at 9:19 AM, Thierry Kramis wrote:
Agree to that. Wouldn't be a bi
Agree to that. Wouldn't be a big concern for apple to let users whats
going on. I think there's also an informal session that can't be
covered by any agreement.
Am 12.06.2007 um 15:14 schrieb James Cicenia:
Can we at least get a nugget like..
things are happening?
same as
Can we at least get a nugget like..
things are happening?
same as it always is.. nothing new.. just opensource.
thanks
- j -
On Jun 12, 2007, at 4:01 AM, Christian Brunschen wrote:
On Jun 12, 2007, at 8:12 AM, Thierry Kramis wrote:
Can anyone that attends those Webobjects
I didnt know that :-)
Am 12.06.2007 um 11:01 schrieb Christian Brunschen:
On Jun 12, 2007, at 8:12 AM, Thierry Kramis wrote:
Can anyone that attends those Webobjects Session @ WWDC please
post any news or comments on Webobjects or give a short review on
those sessions?
While I'm not at
On Jun 12, 2007, at 8:12 AM, Thierry Kramis wrote:
Can anyone that attends those Webobjects Session @ WWDC please post
any news or comments on Webobjects or give a short review on those
sessions?
While I'm not at WWDC, I can already predict that the answer will be
'no', for the simple re
Can anyone that attends those Webobjects Session @ WWDC please post
any news or comments on Webobjects or give a short review on those
sessions?
Thanks.
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