Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS
Hello, On Oct 18, 2010, at 4:37 AM, Andre Schnabel wrote: Hi, I see that there are lots of discussion, which CMS to use, what features are needed ... at the other hand, users and language teams need more info at our website - nad without the infrastructure in place we cannot give more information. The issue has been briefly discussed in the last SC-meeting and we would ask you (the team here at the website list) to come up with a proposal this week. Please consider, that we will never find a solution that fits all and we will see migrations of infrastrucure in the next year anyway. So please help us to get a good start - but let us start. I have been advocating we use Drupal, and over the past week it appears that others have come to the same consensus (especially after Andrea Pescetti joined the discussion and pointed out several facts, including that the OOo Template and Extension sites use Drupal. Further, the current version, newer than what those sites use, provides several major improvements that will benefit us.) Please, if anyone feels differently, chime in here now! In addition, I have worked on a site outline and wireframes of several pages. This is a draft but I feel it's a solid foundation for the IA of our website. You can download the file here: http://www.solidoffice.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/LibreOffice-Homepage-Wires1.odg Thanks, Ben Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com 646-464-2314 (Eastern) www.solidoffice.com -- E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS
Hi Benjamin, *, On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: On Oct 18, 2010, at 4:37 AM, Andre Schnabel wrote: Please consider, that we will never find a solution that fits all and we will see migrations of infrastrucure in the next year anyway. So please help us to get a good start - but let us start. I have been advocating we use Drupal, [...] Please, if anyone feels differently, chime in here now! Well, of course I have another picture. So far, while promised, there's no usable drupal demo out there that meets the needs layed out before, whereas silverstripe is available and being tried out currently by a small group from german-lang project. So I'm strongly in favor of silverstripe... ciao Christian -- E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] CMS requirements / suitability testing
Andrea, On Oct 16, 2010, at 7:54 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: I'd be happy if someone else could do this for drupal or whatever other CMS you think should be in the closer choice. Got it! Yes, I understand there are only words above, and you would like to see a concrete, dedicated, demo site. Based on my experience in the OOo community, I would totally go for a code-driven approach because this is the crucial advantage Drupal 6 offers on other database-based CMSs; I haven't seen Keith's initial setup, but if it follows this approach I'll happily have a look. Otherwise... OK, tell me if there is still interest in a Drupal demo and willingness for a fair assessment and we'll see. Best regards, Andrea Pescetti. I have begun working on a demo site but haven't had much time to progress. Do you want to work together with me to build it out? Feel free to email me on or off-list and we can discuss the details, and I can share access credentials privately, if you need them. Thanks, Ben Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com 646-464-2314 (Eastern) www.solidoffice.com -- E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS
Christian, You had dropped off the discussion for the past several days, so I wasn't sure if you were still following. On Oct 18, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Hi Benjamin, *, On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: On Oct 18, 2010, at 4:37 AM, Andre Schnabel wrote: Please consider, that we will never find a solution that fits all and we will see migrations of infrastrucure in the next year anyway. So please help us to get a good start - but let us start. I have been advocating we use Drupal, [...] Please, if anyone feels differently, chime in here now! Well, of course I have another picture. So far, while promised, there's no usable drupal demo out there that meets the needs layed out before, whereas silverstripe is available and being tried out currently by a small group from german-lang project. So I'm strongly in favor of silverstripe... However, I think you're the only one. :) I've counted roughly 4-5 people who are in favor of Drupal, including Andrea Pescetti, who replied to the thread at length on Oct 16. Please read Andrea's email because it includes very good points. Silverstripe does not seem to offer the groupware functionality that Drupal can provide us--which lets ad hoc groups form to support various projects, like marketing initiatives for specific regions or around specific events. It's a very powerful paradigm that would be great for our work. Take a look at an example of it in use at the NYC Drupal user group: http://groups.drupal.org/nyc This is something we could replicate for regional LibO groups, and it's powerful!) If I don't have time to install a complete Drupal demo site (because I have a demanding day job), that is not a sufficient reason to run roughshod over the request by myself and other community members to give it a fair review. Christian--you seem to have the time to install and test Silverstripe, but you refuse to install Drupal. Why not go ahead and test it side-by-side, yourself? We're not looking for an acceptable CMS, we're looking for the best CMS for our purposes. And I think we need you to be an advocate for the best outcome, not for a particular CMS that happened to be the first one you found that worked for you. (We can't stop searching at the first acceptable option; we need to fairly compare all top candidates for current and expected future requirements.) -Ben Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com 646-464-2314 (Eastern) www.solidoffice.com -- E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Houston, we have a problem.
+1 for forum for user support... David Nelson -- E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Houston, we have a problem.
Le 2010-10-18 10:51, James Wilde a écrit : Originally posted on the Discuss list, where the suggestion, quite rightly, was that I move it here. I've been reading the comments on list vs forum, traffic problems and so on, and taking a look at the options available to users. Why, I wondered, are so many questions that should be on [users] coming to [discuss]? So I took a look at the options for user support. It was when I was about to suggest that list moderators should be able to redirect list messages instead of just approve them, and then realised that list moderators only see about five out of every thousand messages, that I realised that it was a forum we needed, and began looking at LIbO's interface with the world. And discovered what a mess, sorry, eight-armed octopus it has become, from the users' point of view. This is what I found: I'm a libreoffice user and I want help. I test libreoffice.org and I'm redirected to documentfoundation.org. Hello, who are these TDF guys and what do they have to do with my problem? I want help with LibO, not TDF. Action point 1: redirect TDF to LibO and not vice versa or have TDF as a 'corporate' site. The Supporters page gives me a list of companies and individuals who think we're doing a great job, but nothing on how to fix my problem. Action point 2: Rename 'Supporters' to 'Admirers of what we're doing'. On the TDF site as it is, I _may_ find my way to the Contribute page - not the most intuitive. I want support, I'm not ready to contribute yet. If I stay on the Contribute page long enough, I _may_ notice that there is a bunch of lists, and I _may_ go and take a look at those lists and discover, if I scroll a looong way down that there is a Users list, which is for support. Action point 3: Rename 'Contribute' to 'Support'. Move Users to the top of the lists list. But see below. There is also a forum. How I'm going to find that there is a libreofficeforum.org I don't know. Maybe it's referenced somewhere. I think there was a link on the Contribute page, alongside the link to 'some lists'. However, the forum address should be forum.libreoffice.org, so that one can get there from libreoffice.org, via a link at the top, saying Forum. Action point 4: Put a redirect on the libreoffice.org site to libreofficeforum.org. Or better yet, sink libreofficeforum.org altogether, and use forum.libreoffice.org. Now I have a lot of respect for Barbara Duprey, who is far and away better than I will ever be at helping users. Barbara prefers a mailing list to a forum for non-technical users. Unfortunately, I'm a technical user so I'm not typical, but I have to challenge her view on that. I'm a member of a site for those who read e-books, and help there is via a forum. If there's one place where technical illiterates could be considered to gather, it's on a site devoted to e-books. But the forum there functions well. Another forum which works well - for writers, perhaps even more technically incompetent - is on the Scrivener site. An advantage of a forum over a mailing list is that the moderators can move threads which land in the wrong place - like all these user questions in discuss, for example. Another advantage of a forum over a mailing list is that I can come and do a quick search for my problem (which I can in the list archives also, of course) and then open a thread for my problem. When I come back I just need to look at that thread - I can browse the others if I want, and that way I may get involved - and get my replies. And when I've solved my problem, if I'm not interested in staying with the community, I just don't return until I have a new problem. I don't have to unsubscribe, which, since I'm illiterate as well as technically illiterate, I can't see how to do from the lines at the bottom of the email. So no 'help me unsubscribe' messages. Action point 5: Let the list system fade out, or at least move it down the priorities for user support. I know there are people in here who live in the Unix world - I did myself once - and use text-only email readers, and who therefore prefer mailing lists, but ordinary users don't like them. So keep and monitor the lists, but plug the forum. Thanks for listening. Now, Houston, help us get back to Earth. :) //James I'm also leaving this note from the discuss thread and am adding this: yes, indeed, Mailman does support something like a mailinglist-forum-bridge. I am also involved in the new Mageia distribution and one of the participants there has for test purposes created such a forum-mailinglist gateway. You can read his introduction to the forum and the link to it in this email: http://www.mail-archive.com/mageia-disc...@mageia.org/msg01602.html I'm sure he would be willing to help out a bit - if asked nicely. ;) Sigrid Thanks Sigrid, I was exactly going to recommend the same thing. I am also part of the Mageia
Re: [libreoffice-website] Houston, we have a problem.
Le 2010-10-18 13:29, James Wilde a écrit : On Oct 18, 2010, at 19:23 , Marc Paré wrote: ... Drew, do you know if a LibO forum board is being organised or will the communities take care of this? Marc, there already _is_ a LibO forum board. It's at liberofficeforum.org, but you'll have a job finding any pointers to it on either the LibO site or the TDF site. As far as I know, the only place is behind a link on the Contribute page of TDF.org. That's why I say the forum should be at forum.libreoffice.org. //James Then, if this is the official LibO forum board, it should be clearly evident on the TDF website for people to join. There is a little activity on the user mailist. I imagine that we would have a little more activity on the forums. I also believe that users are more comfortable (in a big way) on a forum rather than a mailist. We should fix this ASAP. Marc -- E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Houston, we have a problem.
Marc Paré schrieb: Le 2010-10-18 13:29, James Wilde a écrit : Marc, there already _is_ a LibO forum board. It's at liberofficeforum.org Then, if this is the official LibO forum board It is not. From what I understand, it is a well-meant initiative by someone, whos name is Sam. But... There was already a discussion about libreforum.org on this list earlier this month. I´d rather recommend to use the already existing forums, for example http://www.openoffice.info http://user.services.openoffice.org/es/forum/index.php http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/index.php (1) These forums are run by community members. They are independent from Oracle, who seems to be leaving the community. They cover OpenOffice.org, StarOffice, NeoOffice and LibreOffice and more. I think there is no need to set up additional community forums. (2) I´d prefer forum sites without commercial advertisements. (3) The existing forums represent a huge knowlegde base, valid for OpenOffice.org as well as LibreOffice. IMO it does not make sense, to start over from scratch or spread the knowledge over several places by establishing yet another forum. IMHO, the only change, that could make sense, is introducing new URLs, naming libreoffice instead of openoffice, since Oracle seems to be leaving the community but keeping the brand. If community goes the road of LibO then the community forums will also take that road. (rgb.m...@gmail.com, 2010-OCT-07) Stefan -- E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Decision about CMS - a different perspective ( was Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS)
On Mon Oct 18 2010 13:17:18 GMT-0700 (PDT) Drew Jensen wrote: On Mon, 2010-10-18 at 13:06 -0700, Andy Brown wrote: On Mon Oct 18 2010 12:56:25 GMT-0700 (PDT) Andreas Mantke wrote: Hi Drew, *, Am Montag, 18. Oktober 2010, 18:12:35 schrieb Drew Jensen: (...) Just a quick addon here: I'm assuming, and bet most are, that Florian is the server admin. It looks to me like Per is active doing so also. Is there anyone here willing to accept the responsibility to help admin the CMS instance, say for the next year, without regard to which CMS is selected? (cause I have to think it's going to evolve quickly, so it is going to be a reasonable time commitment for the admin, at least for the first couple of months, my best guess anyway) I don't think nobody will accept such a responsibility, because no one is familar with a huge number (or maybe all) CMS. I think we should ask the other way around. Who is willing to do the CMS admin job for a year or so and for which CMS he could provide this work. If we find the perfect CMS but we have no one, who could do the job, we had to go with the second or third best CMS ;-) just my 2 € cent +1 What ever works - I think you all got the thrust of where I was going with that. Thanks Yep, Get'r done. :) -- E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS
I was also supporting Drupal, trying to explain what features or modules could we use on a Drupal site. On my last e-mail I think I did pointed out that every of the needs we have (or a least has been pointed out) can be covered with Drupal, even with specific modules names. So, If we recheck the whole thread, I think that Drupal is the consensus, except for Christian. This demonstrate one very important thing that has already been pointed out: community members that are capable to support the site and community around the software. Christian, after your suggestion that e-mail confirmation on register wasn't on Drupal I'm pretty sure you don't know Drupal, not even in a superficial way. I, myself, has tested Silverstripe as I didn't know it, but simple there is nothing like drush+cck+views. Benjamin Horst, Keith Williams and maybe Andrea Pescetti has already started to build a demo site, please wait for them. I can't help you right now guys, sorry. No bad reviews has been pointed out to Drupal, but for Silverstripe is quite different, several opinions and one link has been provided to help make the decision. As Bejamin wrote on the other thread: Please do not just go ahead with this because you want to get it done. It's really important to thoroughly review the options and honestly take the community's feedback into consideration. Cheers -- http://www.cjenkins.net/ http://csl-tec.softwarelibrecr.org/ -- E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS
Yes. I am new to this project; however, I have to really tell you... If you use something like silverstripe over drupal you WILL be spending MORE development time implementing features, you will HAVE less support, and YOU will NOT have the best CMS for a community / feature rich site. Who would like a real demo of Drupal? I can do that and I think it will illustrate why it is so useful. On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Carlos Jenkins hastciber...@gmail.comwrote: I was also supporting Drupal, trying to explain what features or modules could we use on a Drupal site. On my last e-mail I think I did pointed out that every of the needs we have (or a least has been pointed out) can be covered with Drupal, even with specific modules names. So, If we recheck the whole thread, I think that Drupal is the consensus, except for Christian. This demonstrate one very important thing that has already been pointed out: community members that are capable to support the site and community around the software. Christian, after your suggestion that e-mail confirmation on register wasn't on Drupal I'm pretty sure you don't know Drupal, not even in a superficial way. I, myself, has tested Silverstripe as I didn't know it, but simple there is nothing like drush+cck+views. Benjamin Horst, Keith Williams and maybe Andrea Pescetti has already started to build a demo site, please wait for them. I can't help you right now guys, sorry. No bad reviews has been pointed out to Drupal, but for Silverstripe is quite different, several opinions and one link has been provided to help make the decision. As Bejamin wrote on the other thread: Please do not just go ahead with this because you want to get it done. It's really important to thoroughly review the options and honestly take the community's feedback into consideration. Cheers -- http://www.cjenkins.net/ http://csl-tec.softwarelibrecr.org/ -- E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org website%2bh...@libreoffice.orgfor instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- *Thought Farm Productions http://www.thoughtfarmproductions.com thoughtf...@thoughtfarmproductions.com* *(201) 691-7057* -- E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Decision about CMS - a different perspective ( was Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS)
+1 I'm willing to be a member of the admin/setup project team. Stan http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:StanG 2010/10/18 Keith Williams kwilli...@thoughtfarmproductions.com At the moment I'm super busy with projects for the next 2 weeks, but i'm interested in helping. I setup a Drupal install for Ben. If anyone knows how to Drupal and can help him I'd provide the login / password for the install to that person. I would be willing to do a webinar to demo Drupal features that you may not be aware of. All the projects that i'm working on are Drupal projects. I have in depth knowledge of virtually every aspect of the system and I'd be willing to donate services to build out the website, if it was Drupal. I may even be able to come up with some hosting resources for the project, since i'm in the process of setting up a high performance scalable drupal infrastructure on Amazon Web Services. On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-10-18 at 13:06 -0700, Andy Brown wrote: On Mon Oct 18 2010 12:56:25 GMT-0700 (PDT) Andreas Mantke wrote: Hi Drew, *, Am Montag, 18. Oktober 2010, 18:12:35 schrieb Drew Jensen: (...) Just a quick I' here: I'm assuming, and bet most are, that Florian is the server admin. It looks to me like Per is active doing so also. Is there anyone here willing to accept the responsibility to help admin the CMS instance, say for the next year, without regard to which CMS is selected? (cause I have to think it's going to evolve quickly, so it is going to be a reasonable time commitment for the admin, at least for the first couple of months, my best guess anyway) I don't think nobody will accept such a responsibility, because no one is familar with a huge number (or maybe all) CMS. I think we should ask the other way around. Who is willing to do the CMS admin job for a year or so and for which CMS he could provide this work. If we find the perfect CMS but we have no one, who could do the job, we had to go with the second or third best CMS ;-) just my 2 € cent +1 What ever works - I think you all got the thrust of where I was going with that. Thanks -- E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org website%2bh...@libreoffice.org website%2bh...@libreoffice.org website%252bh...@libreoffice.orgfor instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- *Thought Farm Productions http://www.thoughtfarmproductions.com thoughtf...@thoughtfarmproductions.com* *(201) 691-7057* -- E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org website%2bh...@libreoffice.orgfor instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS
Hi Benjamin, *, On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: You had dropped off the discussion for the past several days, so I wasn't sure if you were still following. I thought I made it pretty clear that to judge, I want a demo that meets all the initial requirements. And people were telling: I'll create such a site. Thus I laid back and waited for the result. On Oct 18, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: So I'm strongly in favor of silverstripe... However, I think you're the only one. :) No surprise. I've counted roughly 4-5 people who are in favor of Drupal, including Andrea Pescetti, who replied to the thread at length on Oct 16. Please read Andrea's email because it includes very good points. I read all the mails in this thread, but just because Drupal has a big fanbase doesn't convice me to actually use it. Silverstripe does not seem to offer the groupware functionality that Drupal can provide us Saiy who? I mean I selected silverstripe after thinking about the initial requirements, and I found it to comply with all of them. If I don't have time to install a complete Drupal demo site (because I have a demanding day job), that is not a sufficient reason to run roughshod over the request by myself and other community members to give it a fair review. You (all drupal fanboys/supporters) so far communicated the same about drupal. It can do anything if you just spend enough time configuring it properly. So yes: I demand *other* that are familiar with drupal to do it. Christian--you seem to have the time to install and test Silverstripe, Yes, because installing it didn't take long. It basically was ready right from the start. but you refuse to install Drupal. Yes. Because their demos didn't convince me. It only tells: You need to put a heck worth of work into customizing it/hunting for the appropriate plugins to get there where silverstipe is more or less out-of-the-box. And as also written a couple of times: As silverstipe fits my needs/the needs I did lay out (and nobody else added points to), why should I invest time in drupal? And as you mentioned the extension site running drupal: That is another point why I don't really want to consider it. A statement that swirls around in my head from the folks as OSUOSL (where that site is hosted) was that those sites are those that require most ressources. Why not go ahead and test it side-by-side, yourself? Because then you'll again state: But you didn't install module x/y that would have solved all your problems, because then you'll state: You should have had an expert install it, etc. ciao Christian -- E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS
Hallo Carlos, On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Carlos Jenkins hastciber...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Christian, after your suggestion that e-mail confirmation on register wasn't on Drupal Citation please, I never wrote that. I wrote that this is something lacking on silverstripe, the one thing that I disliked, but also one I don't deem very important, as approval for members (granting them write/modification rights) is to be requeste/approved by the project-leads anyway. I'm pretty sure you don't know Drupal, not even in a superficial way. Then you didn't read my mails, or read it in such a selective way that you only did understand what you wanted to hear. Yes: I didn't give drupal a thorough test. I asked, I demanded someone with drupal knowledge to set up a demo site that doesn't suck as much as the official demo. I, myself, has tested Silverstripe as I didn't know it, but simple there is nothing like drush+cck+views. Unless you state why you would need a commandline interface (there is one btw), that statement is void. Same for cck (it's imple to extend a page with custom properties in silverstripe, there is no UI, but you don't need one, the UI is for the editors who access the functionality, no need to have one for site maintainers. Benjamin Horst, Keith Williams and maybe Andrea Pescetti has already started to build a demo site, please wait for them. I can't help you right now guys, sorry. Yes. but until now nothing happened. No bad reviews has been pointed out to Drupal, but for Silverstripe is quite different, several opinions and one link has been provided to help make the decision. So where do you get this idea from? Anyone who can use a search enginge can find hits for drupal sucks or examples why drupal is not the best choice or whatever. What bad review of silverstipe has been pointed out on this list? ciao Christian -- E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS
Hi Keith, *, On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Keith Williams kwilli...@thoughtfarmproductions.com wrote: Yes. I am new to this project; however, I have to really tell you... I cannot resist either, then this: If you use something like silverstripe over drupal you WILL be spending MORE development time implementing features, you will HAVE less support, and YOU will NOT have the best CMS for a community / feature rich site. Is the exact same resonings Microsoft uses to defend Microsoft Office and tells people to stay away from alternatives like OpenOffice.org Who would like a real demo of Drupal? I can do that and I think it will illustrate why it is so useful. I think I explained that in virtually *every* post of mine. /I/ want a real demo. ciao Christian -- E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS
Hi Christian, Citation please, I never wrote that. I wrote that this is something lacking on silverstripe, the one thing that I disliked, but also one I don't deem very important, as approval for members (granting them write/modification rights) is to be requeste/approved by the project-leads anyway. But we where talking about user registration. Citation: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/msg00181.html Should not be hard to modify the existing form to use it, it's just not available by default. On Drupal? Yes, it is available by default... well, if you mean by default things available on the core system. What bad review of silverstipe has been pointed out on this list? http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/msg00178.html Anyway, do whatever you like. I really don't care anymore :) -- http://www.cjenkins.net/ http://csl-tec.softwarelibrecr.org/ -- E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS
I'm going to do a real demo, but i'm waiting for other to say they want to signup for one. contact me on skype to have one and i'll do a screen share. You never contacted me directly to set one up kaw3939 is my skype ID Silverstripe.org presents more information better than silverstripe.org it seems to have modules. It just doesn't have CCK and Views and these are what I will show you. On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com lohmaier%2booofut...@googlemail.comwrote: Hi Keith, *, On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Keith Williams kwilli...@thoughtfarmproductions.com wrote: Yes. I am new to this project; however, I have to really tell you... I cannot resist either, then this: If you use something like silverstripe over drupal you WILL be spending MORE development time implementing features, you will HAVE less support, and YOU will NOT have the best CMS for a community / feature rich site. Is the exact same resonings Microsoft uses to defend Microsoft Office and tells people to stay away from alternatives like OpenOffice.org Who would like a real demo of Drupal? I can do that and I think it will illustrate why it is so useful. I think I explained that in virtually *every* post of mine. /I/ want a real demo. ciao Christian -- E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org website%2bh...@libreoffice.orgfor instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- *Thought Farm Productions http://www.thoughtfarmproductions.com thoughtf...@thoughtfarmproductions.com* *(201) 691-7057* -- E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Sorry for not sending this mail here too, I just posted it to the marketing and the discuss list. If someone here is not subscribed to any of them, here is the link to the archive (that killed formatting...): http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/msg00296.html Best regards Bernhard -- E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS
Hi Keith, On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:28 AM, Keith Williams kwilli...@thoughtfarmproductions.com wrote: I'm going to do a real demo, but i'm waiting for other to say they want to signup for one. contact me on skype to have one and i'll do a screen share. You never contacted me directly to set one up Hmm - I don't use skype, and I'm at first not interestind in the exact steps an admin needs to take to be able to use the site. I'm interested in how it feels and works for the user. So please send me some login-credentials off-list (or common ones on the list) ciao Christian -- E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS
My opinion... Basically the only person that seems to want silverstripe is Christian. I think there are 3-4 people here that like Drupal in this group. The couple people interested in Drupal are working on a demo on my server. I wish I had time to put in this week to this, but I literally am doing 120% work on some projects, so I have no time to do a demo so that I can convince one person that Drupal is a good system for a project like this. After reviewing silverstripe, it seems that it is primarily designed to be a content management system or a blog for a few people or a company. It may be a perfectly acceptable solution for sites like this; however, a large website for a distributed community of individuals collaborating on a project is not a simple cms website. Are there silverstripe sites with large million+ hit per day sites that have hundreds of thousands of registered users working in different areas of the site and with different levels of access. So yes, Drupal does take some time to setup. Looking at the default install of drupal without a guided tour is like installing linux and wondering why it isn't making you coffee and writing your papers for you. Christian: You're looking at it from a users point of view Thats not reasonable, you can make Drupal and I'm sure silverstripe look like anything. THE REAL ISSUE is going to be designing, configuring, coding, and maintaining the site. Unless Silverstripe has a graphical query builder with access to user profiles, content, files, a form builder data, fine grained user roles, and a million tutorials on how to use it like Drupal does, then I think silverstripe is not a good choice. The main advantage Drupal has is that a User can be a designer and the User does not need to be a coder to help with the website setup. If you don't have the time to talk on skype / or something else about this then you're really not interested in finding a good solution for this, your only interested in promoting silverstripe for some reason. 2010/10/18 Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com Hi again, Can you guys help me out here - We are down to two viable choices: silverstipe Drupal We have individuals willing to install/tweak either package. More folks for Drupal then Silverstripe perhaps, but Cloph is going to be around, so just that alone probably isn't a good determining factor. -sorry if I missed this in earlier email, cause I have not read every one: We do want to see these two demos - yes? (I will cc the Steering Committee on this email) How close to an email with two URLs so folks can click and look? Since we can't build both, how will we decide? I did read most emails and think you will agree that it's pretty much down to that, so let's just finish up. -just my observations. Thanks Drew -- E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org website%2bh...@libreoffice.orgfor instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- *Thought Farm Productions http://www.thoughtfarmproductions.com thoughtf...@thoughtfarmproductions.com* *(201) 691-7057* -- E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS
The demo site is at: http://www.mywebclass.org/~bhorst http://www.mywebclass.org/%7Ebhorst I installed the silverstripe and I can see that its not a bad system, compared to Joomla. I can see how someone would like it for a top down traditional cms site. Its basic, it has some plugins to do some stuff, and it seems easy to work with to add pages. If I had a client that didn't have much money and only wanted a theme then I might consider using it in the future. Most of the people / clients I work with want interactive sites with a lot of functionality in terms of types of content stored, organization, and they want groups of users to be able to organize online for projects. The admin of silverstripe is crowded and doesn't seem easy to change, since it's built into the system. I like being able to customize every aspect of the users experience and being able to do it quickly and easily. I do hate the fact that every time I move from one admin screen to the next that I get a Welcome to Silver stripe waiting screen for it to load. ANyway good luck with the silverstripe I may use it in the future. But I think that Drupal is still the workhorse of community based content management systems and and doesn't have anything to be worried about for a while. The only advantage I can see that silverstripe has is that you don't have to setup the admin interface because it doesn't really do much and doesn't appear customizable, unless you write a module or something. Drupal doesn't need the admin interface customized either, but at least you can do it without coding it. This way people can do focused administrative tasks. For example I'm doing a newspaper site now and will have dozens of sections, two dozen editors, hundreds of contributors, and probably hundreds of thousands of commentors and a few dozen comment moderators. I can setup a site like this with Drupal and once the theme is setup, most of the work can be done with the GUI. Each role easily gets a custom administration menu focused on their jobs, and I can use the query builder to create custom portal pages for the paper that ensure consistent look and no decisions for editors. Content just goes where it's programmed. Anyway, IF you guys want a basic CMS with some static pages then go use silverstripe. If you want to create an online community that is accessible to people and manageable by volunteers then you want Drupal. On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Erich Christian erich_...@irq.at wrote: Hi, Am 19.10.2010 02:51, schrieb Keith Williams: So i spent about 45 minutes on the demo site... Anything about the site can basically be configured through the GUI on the admin side and groups can run autonomously. If I added and configured the notifications module you can send anything from an email to text message to group members. I usually spend months on a site to configure it perfectly for a client and develop a custom theme. This site could have lots of improvements, but I think getting all the functions listed below added and working in 45 minutes illustrates that Drupal is quick and flexible. You could literally just drop on a theme, do some configuration of the UI with a couple tricks, and this project would have a wiki + cms + blog + group management / organization system seamlessly integrated together. THe site has a place to post pages that could be turned into a wiki with an add on module called wikilinks. The site has groups, polls per group, ratings on discussions that are tracked, and differentiated admin / user roles. try to login using: testuser testuser$1234 bad luck for us that you did not post where... ;-) it doesn't work here http://www.thoughtfarmproductions.com/ good night Erich -- E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org website%2bh...@libreoffice.orgfor instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- *Thought Farm Productions http://www.thoughtfarmproductions.com thoughtf...@thoughtfarmproductions.com* *(201) 691-7057* -- E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
