On 1/20/11 7:42 AM, Narayan Aras wrote:
Immediately after taking over, Oracle made OOo upgradable.
Oracle cares about this. We don't.
Only the proprietary Oracle Open [space] Office is upgradable, not the
community version. Oracle cares so much that has decided to rename the
proprietary
Narayan Aras wrote:
And yet LibO requires full download for each version.
Immediately after taking over, Oracle made OOo upgradable.
Oracle cares about this. We don't.
We pander to the contributors instead.
How much time was devoted to making LibO upgradable with patches?
For what is
Hugh, Charles Marcus has spoken.
Folks, ever thought that for problems, often two sides are responsiblem
two parties are involved? It's rather easy to blame juste one side...
Charles Marcus wrote on 2011-01-18 19.52:
If no one*from the SC* contacted Michael*directly* and took the time
to
On 2011-01-20 8:48 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote:
Charles Marcus wrote on 2011-01-18 19.52:
If no one*from the SC* contacted Michael*directly* and took the
time to explain the situation to him, then*the SC dropped the
ball*.
If no one*from the SC* *knew* that Michael was putting so much
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:22 AM, Charles Marcus
cmar...@media-brokers.com wrote:
On 2011-01-20 8:48 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote:
Charles Marcus wrote on 2011-01-18 19.52:
If no one*from the SC* contacted Michael*directly* and took the
time to explain the situation to him, then*the SC
Hi Mike, all, :-)
Regardless of any of this, I believe that the situation is very
salvageable. I hope this will be done at the Conference call very
soon.
Yes, I think it will be good for us all to have a good talk, and look
at everyone's ideas. I am absolutely certain that, if we all
Hi gang,
Narayan Aras wrote (19-01-11 10:22)
The whole work was in accordance with SC's decision.
Pls don't play the killed innocence here.
There were enough mails that should have make you think.
Best,
Cor
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Hi gang,
Narayan Aras wrote (19-01-11 10:22)
The whole work was in accordance with SC's decision.
Pls don't play the killed innocence here.
There were enough mails that should have make you think
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Hi gang,
Narayan Aras wrote (19-01-11 10:22)
The whole work was in accordance with SC's decision.
Pls don't play the killed innocence here.
There were enough mails that should have make you think.
Best,
Cor
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First of all, thanks for taking the time to answer.
On 01/19/2011 10:22 AM, Narayan Aras wrote:
BTW I have consistently maintained that mail lists are not suitable to capture
such matters.
There are easy solutions available. But SC is not interested.
So SC has to blame itself for (a) not
Hi Narayan,
On 19/01/2011 19:58, Narayan Aras wrote:
BTW I have consistently maintained that mail lists are not
suitable to capture such matters. There are easy solutions
available. But SC is not interested. So SC has to blame itself
for (a) not reading the mail list. and (b) not installing
On 2011-01-19 12:13 PM, Sophie Gautier wrote:
Do I have to claim any time that I'm in the SC or that I'm a founding
member no, because coming to this project, you know who we are, and how
it is organized. When you enter to a home, you know who lives there,
this is the same, exactly here.
2011/1/19 Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com
On 2011-01-19 12:13 PM, Sophie Gautier wrote:
Do I have to claim any time that I'm in the SC or that I'm a founding
member no, because coming to this project, you know who we are, and how
it is organized. When you enter to a home, you know
19.01.2011, 14:52 +0530 schrieb Narayan Aras:
Hi Italo,
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:13:55 +0100
From: italo.vign...@gmail.com
To: website@libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed
opportunities
[...]
BTW I have consistently maintained
Good points (as always), Christoph!
This is exactly what we expect from SC: Know the pulse of the community and
guide any effort.
Tailoring by SC is essential.
I know I read the bare act from CMMI and PMBOK, but that's not how we
should/would be applying it.
Any corporate project and
Hi Michael,
The development site will remain online at
www.libreofficeaustralia.com however it is likely that I will make the
site read only until we determine the path forward for this
development.
So... The question is, where to now for the Drupal development?
I think the main problem
Dear Charles,
Subject: RE : RE: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed
opportunities
From: charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org
To: website@libreoffice.org
Dear Narayan,
I would advise you read the minutes of the latest steerinh committee.
Thanks,
Charles
Le Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:16:08 +0100,
Karl-Heinz Gödderz libreoff...@gukk-online.de a écrit :
Narayan Aras schrieb:
Dear Charles,
Dear Narayan,
I would advise you read the minutes of the latest steerinh
committee.
Thanks,
Charles.
snip
The statement from
Charles,
Logically, I haven't seen any discussion at the mail list that can lead to
this conclusion.
Oh there were discussions on several mailing lists about that.
And so were the discussions about the official status of the Drupal site as a
long-term solution.
Also, we identified
Hi Charles,
Else we would have left OOo because of a dictatorial behavior of
Oracle, to get that behavior from the SC.
(Out of the frying pan into the fire?)
I don't see it that way. It's perhaps misleading to call a dictatorial
behavior anything that does not suit your vision.
On 1/18/11 12:26 PM, Narayan Aras wrote:
Then I volunteered to collect the stakeholders requirements.
The 23 roles were identified on this very mail list.
I have seen mentions of these 23 roles many times, but I have not seen
a list where they are described in detail. It looks like they have
Narayan,
Le Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:34:53 +0530,
Narayan Aras narayana...@hotmail.com a écrit :
Hi Charles,
Else we would have left OOo because of a dictatorial behavior of
Oracle, to get that behavior from the SC.
(Out of the frying pan into the fire?)
I don't see it that
Hi Narayan, Michael :-)
If you read the various SC meeting minutes objectively, there was
never any firm commitment to going over to Drupal. It was, in fact, an
openness to re-consider the issue at a later date, and to evaluate a
working site alongside specific statements and proof of the
On 2011-01-18 7:13 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote:
I think that the main fault of everyone in this specific domain of the
web site (including SC members) was to overlook the web site problem and
leave it unmanaged.
I agree, although I would say *especially* the SC members... this is a
*management*
On 1/18/11 5:20 PM, Charles Marcus wrote:
And no, they - meaning the SC - absolutely cannot claim ignorance,
Michael was discussing their progress on the lists for a long time.
Someone from the SC should have taken him aside as soon as they saw what
was happening.
I am a SC member, and I have
On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 11:20 -0500, Charles Marcus wrote:
On 2011-01-18 7:13 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote:
I think that the main fault of everyone in this specific domain of the
web site (including SC members) was to overlook the web site problem and
leave it unmanaged.
I agree, although I
On 2011-01-18 12:01 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote:
On 1/18/11 5:20 PM, Charles Marcus wrote:
And no, they - meaning the SC - absolutely cannot claim ignorance,
Michael was discussing their progress on the lists for a long
time. Someone from the SC should have taken him aside as soon as
they saw
On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 18:01 +0100, Italo Vignoli wrote:
On 1/18/11 5:20 PM, Charles Marcus wrote:
And no, they - meaning the SC - absolutely cannot claim ignorance,
Michael was discussing their progress on the lists for a long time.
Someone from the SC should have taken him aside as soon
Hi,
Am 18.01.2011 17:20, schrieb Charles Marcus:
And no, they - meaning the SC - absolutely cannot claim ignorance,
Michael was discussing their progress on the lists for a long time.
Maybe not members of the SC, but there are people that have been
answering on the mailing lists from the very
Am 18.01.2011 19:40, schrieb Stefan Weigel:
Hi,
Am 18.01.2011 17:20, schrieb Charles Marcus:
And no, they - meaning the SC - absolutely cannot claim ignorance,
Michael was discussing their progress on the lists for a long time.
Maybe not members of the SC, but there are people that have
On 2011-01-18 1:40 PM, Stefan Weigel wrote:
Am 18.01.2011 17:20, schrieb Charles Marcus:
And no, they - meaning the SC - absolutely cannot claim ignorance,
Michael was discussing their progress on the lists for a long
time.
Maybe not members of the SC, but there are people that have been
Hi Drew!
Am Dienstag, den 18.01.2011, 12:16 -0500 schrieb drew:
And no, they - meaning the SC - absolutely cannot claim ignorance,
Michael was discussing their progress on the lists for a long time.
Someone from the SC should have taken him aside as soon as they saw
what was happening.
Italo Vignoli wrote:
I have seen mentions of these 23 roles many times, but I have not seen
a list where they are described in detail. It looks like they have been
developed without even asking the SC members - or the group of the
founders - if this was the right approach.
Since nobody
Hi Charles,
Charles Marcus wrote (18-01-11 17:20)
[...]
The first thing I would like to see is an *apology* to Michael and the
others for allowing them to *waste so much of their time* on a project
the SC was never going to endorse in the first place.
Since truth is always
A
Hi Andrea,
Am 18.01.2011 20:20, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
Italo Vignoli wrote:
I have seen mentions of these 23 roles many times, but I have not seen
a list where they are described in detail. It looks like they have been
developed without even asking the SC members - or the group of the
Hi Andrea, *,
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Andrea Pescetti
pesce...@openoffice.org wrote:
Italo Vignoli wrote:
[...]
Since nobody provides the link (the one Klaus-Jürgen sent was not
working for me... a problem at mail-archive.com, perhaps?),
Could be a bug - I'll investigate and forward
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