[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Urgent call for sample files for producing screenshots
Hi all, Le 08/01/11 19:41, Stefan Weigel a écrit : This has already been intensively discussed an investigated, when we were making screenshots for OpenOffice.org website and documentation. André Schnabel even directly and officially asked at Microsoft. The final result of all this: Do not use Screenshots taken from a programme running on MS Windows, when you are going to use these screenshots in a document, that´s supposed to be under a free license. I remember this discussion from the OOo lists. I may even have been one of the lawyers involved ;-) that gave an opinion, separately to André's direct request to Microsoft. Microsoft considers that all of its UI, in each and every version, is protected by copyright. Whether that would actually hold up in a court of law is another matter, and would be extremely fact and jurisdiction dependent, but ultimately the question that should be asked is whether the LibreOffice project, and TDF, are prepared to take that risk. My opinion is that it would be unwise to knowingly embark on anything that publicly puts the project into the realms of a potential litigation for alleged IP infringement. Oh, and just to dispel any doubt : just because a million other people do it without ever having any problems from Microsoft does not mean that this project will be let off as easily. I rather believe quite the opposite, MS will be watching this project to see whether it gets off the ground and becomes a threat to it, much as it did with Sun. Let us not forget that Sun and Microsoft signed an agreement with regard to IP rights that led to the dropping of their relative mutual destruction IP law suits, and that OpenOffice.org was specifically mentioned in that agreement. Caveat emptor. And yes, I'm probably paranoid ;-) Alex -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Urgent call for sample files for producing screenshots
Hi Drew, :-) Guy I need sample FILES not screenshots. I'll do all screenshots myself in a uniform manner And Sophie, sorry, but they *will* be under Windows, not Linux, even though I'm a full-time Linux user myself, because *most* people use Windows and I don't want people thinking LibreOffice is some kind of marginal, geek product. TIA for any good data files you got. IN ENGLISH. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Urgent call for sample files for producing screenshots
Hi David, On 08/01/2011 16:19, David Nelson wrote: Hi Drew, :-) Guy I need sample FILES not screenshots. I'll do all screenshots myself in a uniform manner And Sophie, sorry, but they *will* be under Windows, not Linux, even though I'm a full-time Linux user myself, because *most* people use Windows and I don't want people thinking LibreOffice is some kind of marginal, geek product. There is some legal reasons for not having them under Windows, from what I remember you're not allowed to make screenshots of Windows product, this is noted on their website. You can make the skin of your Linux looks like Windows and you're safe :-) TIA for any good data files you got. IN ENGLISH. The difficult part for me ;-) If they are in English, they are not mine :) Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Urgent call for sample files for producing screenshots
Hi David, Drew, On 08/01/2011 16:45, David Nelson wrote: Hi Drew, :-) Or, if you feel able to help out by taking screenshots yourself, then: a) a big thanks for the helping hand! ;-) b) take them under MS Windows using a DARK SLATE GRAY theme (window frame, etc) (I fail to believe that Bill is going to sue us because we took screenshots of our own product under MS Windows...) Sorry to insist but I don't want to take the risk : This is what is written on the site :* Requirements for Allowed Uses* For permission to be granted for any uses allowed by these guidelines, you must comply with the following four requirements: 1. If your use includes references to a Microsoft product, you must use the full name of the product. When referencing any Microsoft trademarks, follow the General Microsoft Trademark Guidelines http://www.microsoft.com/About/Legal/EN/US/IntellectualProperty/Trademarks/Default.aspx. 2. You must include the following statement: Used with permission from Microsoft. 3. Your use may not be obscene or pornographic, and you may not be disparaging, defamatory, or libelous to Microsoft, any of its products, or any other person or entity. 4. You may link to Microsoft content by using either a plain text link with words such as This way to Microsoft.com or by participating in an applicable Link Logo program. No other images may be used as a link to a Microsoft site. Screen Shots You may not use screen shots of Microsoft product boot-up screens, opening screens, splash screens, or screens from beta release products or other products that have not been commercially released. You may use other screen shots in advertising, in documentation (including educational brochures), in tutorial books, in videotapes, or on Web sites, provided that, in addition to the requirements above, you: 1. Do not alter the screen shot except to resize it. 2. Do not use portions of screen shots. 3. Do not include screen shots in your product user interface. 4. Do not use screen shots that contain third-party content. 5. Do not use screen shots that contain an image of an identifiable individual. So it is clear that you're not allowed to take screenshots showing LibO on a Windows system. And I don't find very sexy to add on each Used with permission from Microsoft As said you can adapt the LibO theme and your Linux them to look more Windows like and everything will be ok. This is what we have done for years for OOo and guess what, we have sell several copy of it ;-) Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Urgent call for sample files for producing screenshots
Hi Sophie, :-) Truthfully, your interpretation of what that text refers to is erroneous... they are talking of screenshots of Microsoft products such as MS Windows or Office, but *not* of screenshots taken of other people's products and works simply running under MS Windows... There's no need to worry. You see screenshots of software running under Windows *all over the Internet*... ;-) We're perfectly safe. ;-) In any case, I already took a large number of screenshots, and our documentation is *full* of screenshots taken under Windows, so this would involve an *enormous* amount of work to rectify.. ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Urgent call for sample files for producing screenshots
Hi Fabian, Drew, all, :-) if you feel able to help out by taking screenshots yourself, then: a) a big thanks for the helping hand! ;-) b) take them under MS Windows using a DARK SLATE GRAY theme (window frame, etc) (or if you really want to use Linux, a theme that closely resembles the above) c) take the *window only* - no desktop d) 400px wide by 300px tall - please try not to stretch/squash the proportions e) Anything up to a dozen good shots from each app is what I'm hoping to accumulate in each app, demo the ke features: in Writer, tables, indexes, etc. I'm sure you see what I mean (that would ideally be a total of 60 to 70 screenshots of the 6 products? but you best effort will be gratefully accepted... ;-) Just mail me whatever you got, whatever you can, when you can, and - once again - a *big* thanks :-D Or, please just send me sample documents that I can use. ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Urgent call for sample files for producing screenshots
Hi David, On 08/01/2011 17:54, David Nelson wrote: Hi Sophie, :-) Truthfully, your interpretation of what that text refers to is erroneous... they are talking of screenshots of Microsoft products such as MS Windows or Office, but *not* of screenshots taken of other people's products and works simply running under MS Windows... There's no need to worry. You see screenshots of software running under Windows *all over the Internet*... ;-) We're perfectly safe. ;-) No, it's not my interpretation (I know I may not have a full understanding of another language :), we never get a firm statement but only different interpretations from lawyers, this is why we have decided to not use screen shots made using Windows. I can't remember where the discussions occurs on the OOo site, maybe website list, I'll point you to the archives otherwise. It may sound stupid, but can you imagine that I had to declare people using ssh for the OOoFR site in France several years ago because the encryption we used was not allowed and considered as a security issue. I'm sure the Debian contributors never have to do so. Just to say that we have to be cautious. In any case, I already took a large number of screenshots, and our documentation is *full* of screenshots taken under Windows, so this would involve an *enormous* amount of work to rectify.. ;-) Yes may be, but it's not a sufficient reason to continue to take the risk :). The more we are visible and known, the more we are exposed. Kind regards Sophie -- Founding member of The Document Foundation -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Urgent call for sample files for producing screenshots
Hi, :-) To restate the need... I need some more sample files with which I can produce screenshots for the libreoffice.org, from *all* the LibO apps. If you have LibO files (from Writer, Calc and Impress) that contain attractively-presented content that is not copyrighted, please mail them to me ASAP. If you have any well-presented equations for Math, I need some more too. Similarly, if you have any databases for Base with well-peopled tables, and with forms and reports, I need them, too. Or, if you feel able to help out by taking screenshots yourself, then: a) a big thanks for the helping hand! ;-) b) take them using a theme that closely resembles MS Windows using a DARK SLATE GRAY theme (window frame, etc) c) take the *window only* - no desktop d) 400px wide by 300px tall - please try not to stretch/squash the proportions e) Anything up to a dozen good shots from each app is what I'm hoping to accumulate in each app, demo the ke features: in Writer, tables, indexes, etc. I'm sure you see what I mean f) The file you use for taking the screenshot should ideally be called sample.odt (or whatever extension) Just mail me whatever you got, whatever you can, when you can, and - once again - a *big* thanks :-D -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Urgent call for sample files for producing screenshots
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote: Hi David, Am 08.01.2011 14:19, schrieb David Nelson: And Sophie, sorry, but they *will* be under Windows, not Linux This has already been intensively discussed an investigated, when we were making screenshots for OpenOffice.org website and documentation. André Schnabel even directly and officially asked at Microsoft. The final result of all this: Do not use Screenshots taken from a programme running on MS Windows, when you are going to use these screenshots in a document, that´s supposed to be under a free license. Stefan Can you provide links to this discussion or the Microsoft policies that imply copyright protection for screenshots. I would love to read them myself. Cheers. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Urgent call for sample files for producing screenshots
Hi Stefan, On 08/01/2011 21:41, Stefan Weigel wrote: [...] This has already been intensively discussed an investigated, when we were making screenshots for OpenOffice.org website and documentation. André Schnabel even directly and officially asked at Microsoft. The final result of all this: Do not use Screenshots taken from a programme running on MS Windows, when you are going to use these screenshots in a document, that´s supposed to be under a free license. Stefan, thanks a lot for your support :) Finally, David has understand that using Windows screen shots might be problematic, so it is safe for us to provide his work on our website :) Kind regards Sophie -- Founding member of The Document Foundation -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Urgent call for sample files for producing screenshots
On Sat, 2011-01-08 at 21:19 +0800, David Nelson wrote: And Sophie, sorry, but they *will* be under Windows, not Linux, even though I'm a full-time Linux user myself, because Hi David, I don't remember all the details on the research on this from OO.o but I certainly remember it happened. @David There are many things such as layout of the screens right now that I would simply defer to you at the moment, however in your statement above there isn't any because, because that just isn't the type of unilateral decision any one of us can make, in that fashion, on something like this. I know from reading your other mail that you have created shots under MS Windows and am sorry for what is therefore a burden on your efforts but I don't think there is a lot of wiggle room here. There are a few files I've found that would show well IMO and I can theme close to MS Windows but using Ubuntu or SUSE right now and honestly it would be nice to, IMO, and I know 'we' could, get a set of Mac screens also - which is not entangled, I think. Anyway, that is how I see it and is my opinion. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
