Re: How do you pronounce Hrvoje?

2003-10-12 Thread Tony Lewis
Hrvoje and I have had an off-list dialogue about this subject. We've settled
on HUR-voy-eh as the closest phonetic rendition of his name for English
speakers. It helps to remember that the r is rolled.

Tony



How do you pronounce Hrvoje?

2003-10-11 Thread Tony Lewis
I've been on this list for a couple of years now and I've always wondered
how our illustrious leader pronounces his name.

Can you give us linguistically challenged Americans a phonetic rendition of
your name?

Tony Lewis (toe knee loo iss)



Re: How do you pronounce Hrvoje?

2003-10-11 Thread Hrvoje Niksic
Tony Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Can you give us linguistically challenged Americans a phonetic
 rendition of your name?

It's not easy to describe because of the phonems and concepts not
present in the English language.  You'll probably regret having asked.
:-)

HUR-voh-yeh would be the closest approximation you can get without
leaving the constraints of English.  More specifically:

* There are three syllables, with the accent being on the first one,
  not on the second, which comes natural to most English speakers.
  It's pronounced as one word, the dashes in hur-voh-yeh are just to
  make the syllables stand out.

* The oh in voh is fairly short, and sounds like how Brits
  pronounce o in dog.  (So it's not dawg:-))  I'm not sure if
  this phonem exists in American English.

* The eh in yeh is fairly short and sounds like the e in elm,
  not like e in default.

* HUR is the loosest approximation, and arguably the hardest one to
  get right.  The Croatian r is as a rolling r, like in Italian or
  Spanish.  The h is clearly heard, think of Shaw's Henry Higgins.

  If you're wondering how three consonants h+r+v coexist next to each
  other, the answer is that the (rolling) r between two consonants
  takes the role of a vowel.  I'm not sure if that makes sense to you,
  but I guess the truth is that Slavic people are in general much more
  comfortable with adjacent consonants than Anglo-Saxons.  I noticed
  that Americans have a problem pronouncing GNU with a non-silent
  g, and often help themselves by saying guh-noo, which sounds
  strange to me.  For me, saying gnu is as natural as saying
  glove.

Pronuncing my name is an undertaking for most people outside my
country, but it's not impossible.  I've known Americans with good ear
for languages who have gotten it right almost at once.  But people are
usually *very* confused when they hear it, and probably even more
confused when they see it in writing.  As you may imagine, living in
Munich for two years has taught me to respond to even the most
distorted variants.

I really ought to get a cheap $2 microphone in the store and record
it.  :-)



Re: How do you pronounce Hrvoje?

2003-10-11 Thread DervishD
Hi Hrvoje :)

 * Hrvoje Niksic [EMAIL PROTECTED] dixit:
  Can you give us linguistically challenged Americans a phonetic
  rendition of your name?
 It's not easy to describe because of the phonems and concepts not
 present in the English language.  You'll probably regret having asked.
[...]

Very interesting!. I really didn't know how to pronounce your
name, I even had problems writing it at first ;))) Nice to know how
to pronounce it. I'm spanish, so I don't exactly know if I got all
sounds correctly, but I think I have a pretty good approximation.
Thanks ;))

Raúl Núñez de Arenas Coronado

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