Re: [whatwg] [wf2] Late comments and questions on Web Forms 2.0

2006-08-15 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, Henri Sivonen wrote: Source level The language is en-GB-hixie not en-GB-x-Hixie (as defined in Hixie English 1.0-pre38 :-). Fixed. 1.9. (and elsewhere) It appears that conformant is not generally accepted in dictionaries. (Conforming is.) It's commonly used these

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] More late comments and questions on Web Forms 2.0

2006-08-15 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006, Henri Sivonen wrote: 3.6.1 Item 10. There's a comma missing after '[)' and before a modifier. Fixed. 3.6.1 Example in item 11. Double quote missing in '[n· string'. Fixed. 5. Step 5. When XML submission is used, characters that are not XMLChars as per XML 1.0

Re: [whatwg] Select conformance

2006-08-15 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 1 Apr 2006, Henri Sivonen wrote: It still does not make it good UI. The case is similar to a set of radio buttons with no checked button. If we make bad UI non-conforming, conformance checkers will be pretty easy to write... #!/usr/bin/perl -wT use strict; print Your

Re: [whatwg] Select conformance

2006-08-15 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 31 Mar 2006, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: I'm pretty sure we've been through this before -- I think it shouldn't be, ratemy*.com thinks it should be, and there are more of those sites than there are of me. :-) (Why they don't just use a set of numbered input type=submits, which

Re: [whatwg] Select conformance

2006-08-15 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 3 Apr 2006, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: At least some things clearly need to be allowed to be checked/selected and disabled at the same time. In particular, checkboxes really need this. Allowing this in some cases but not others smacks of trying to dictate UI policy for content

Re: [whatwg] Web Forms: pattern attribute

2006-08-15 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 3 Apr 2006, Michel Fortin wrote: Something about the pattern attribute in Web Forms got me thinking: The regular expression language used for this attribute is the same as that defined in [ECMA262], except that the pattern attribute implies a ^ at the start of the pattern and a $

Re: [whatwg] Web Forms 2.0 proposal

2006-08-15 Thread porneL
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 00:57:15 +0100, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I'm reading the spec correctly then pattern is used to prevent/allow form submission, and to highlight an invalid entry. What I am suggesting is a filter that can be matched against for each keypress event. If

Re: [whatwg] Web Forms 2.0 proposal

2006-08-15 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, porneL wrote: On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 00:57:15 +0100, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I'm reading the spec correctly then pattern is used to prevent/allow form submission, and to highlight an invalid entry. What I am suggesting is a filter that can be

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] repeat-min and max

2006-08-15 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Henri Sivonen wrote: Section 3.4. The repeat-min attribute specifies the number of repetition blocks that the remove button type will ensure are present each time a block is removed. Its value must be a positive integer (one or more digits 0-9 interpreted as a base

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] repeat-min and max

2006-08-15 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Henri Sivonen wrote: On Apr 7, 2006, at 00:11, Henri Sivonen wrote: Is it conforming for these attributes to appear on elements that do not have the repeat attribute (with any value; assuming that occurrence with repeat set to an integer is conforming)? Hmm.

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] repeat-min and max

2006-08-15 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Henri Sivonen wrote: I hit the counterpart issue with repeat-max at: http://webforms2.testsuite.org/repetition/attributes/repeat-max/001.htm The test case is wrong according to the current working draft, because the value of repeat-max is '0' in the test case and only

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] repeat-min and max

2006-08-15 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Anne van Kesteren wrote: Quoting Henri Sivonen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Even though repeat-max='0' does not make sense if the value permanently forbids repetition, wouldn't it make sense to allow non- negative integers so that repetition could be dynamically forbidden or

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] multipart/form-data and _charset_

2006-08-15 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 9 Apr 2006, Henri Sivonen wrote: Section 5.2.1. Why isn't the _charset_ field defined to be filled when the submission type is multipart/form-data? Because the encoding is given in the parts. See RFC2388. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] Leap seconds, dates in the past

2006-08-15 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Henri Sivonen wrote: Earlier I raised the issue that WF 2.0 does not say what should be done about leap seconds, but I did not suggest a solution. Having read more about the subject, I suggest that date calculations in WF 2.0 be POSIXly correct and ignore leap seconds.

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] Leap seconds, dates in the past

2006-08-15 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Michel Fortin wrote: I'm inclined to think that the best option for WF 2.0 is to require the use of the proleptic Gregorian calendar all the way to 0001-01-01. What about prior dates? I don't think we need to support years before 1CE. (Frankly I don't think we

Re: [whatwg] alternatives/grouping in pattern attributes in Web Forms

2006-08-15 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This text in section 2.6 doesn't seem to consider alternatives and grouping: | Thus, using the ^ character anywhere other than at the start of the pattern, | or the $ character anywhere other than at the end of the pattern, prevents | the pattern

Re: [whatwg] [WF2] handling form elements inside rendered OBJECT

2006-08-15 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 26 Apr 2006, Hallvord R M Steen wrote: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=286914 Note comment from the XStandard plugin developers about submitting form elements inside an OBJECT with content shown by plugin or UA. I have been discussing this with among others Anne van

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] Filtering datalist with pattern

2006-08-15 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 4 May 2006, Henri Sivonen wrote: The WF2 spec does not say anything about filtering autocomplete lists on pattern and Opera 9 does not do it. However, autocomplete entries that would fail form validation are not particularly useful. I suggest saying that potential autocomplete

Re: [whatwg] input type=text accept=

2006-08-15 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 31 May 2006, James Graham wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: The Mozilla guys propose (in bug 339127) to make the accept= attribute on input elements also apply to types other than type=file, with the same meaning as we currently have on textarea. Their particular use case is to use this

Re: [whatwg] form validation of values that aren't entered by the user

2006-08-15 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 6 Jul 2006, Hallvord R M Steen wrote: On 01/02/06, Hallvord Reiar Michaelsen Steen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've already brought up this issue because of the kayak.com search fields with a maxlength smaller than the length of the strings scripts would insert into the input

Re: [whatwg] non-checked checkbox posting success?

2006-08-15 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, Ric Hardacre wrote: When using checkboxes in forms i find myself doing this input type=checkbox name=foo value=true input type=hidden name=foo value=false and retrieving the value from the posted form data a bit like this if( checkbox.value == false )then

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] Filtering datalist with pattern

2006-08-15 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 26 May 2006, Henri Sivonen wrote: On May 26, 2006, at 09:23, Matthew Raymond wrote: Henri Sivonen wrote: The WF2 spec does not say anything about filtering autocomplete lists on pattern and Opera 9 does not do it. However, autocomplete entries that would fail form validation

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] Late comments and questions on Web Forms 2.0

2006-08-15 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, Christoph P�per wrote: *Henri Sivonen*: 2.4. Does ISO 8601 define how its flavor of the Gregorian calendar rolls backwards all the way to, say, 1900 or 1 AD? By default ISO 8601 uses the proleptic Gregorian calendar, i.e. there are no null days

Re: [whatwg] False orthogonal nature :read-only and :disabled in WF2

2006-08-15 Thread Matthew Raymond
Ian Hickson wrote: I understand (and agree) that WF2 disagrees with CSS3UI and Selectors here. I believe the error is in CSS3UI and in Selectors. I would agree with that, although I think we disagree as to what the error is. Having them be orthogonal is far more useful to authors. For

[whatwg] Web Forms 2.0 as a W3C draft

2006-08-15 Thread Ian Hickson
FYI: There is now a version of Web Forms 2.0 with the W3C draft livery: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/html5/web-forms-2/Overview.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8 The intent is for the W3C Web App Formats working group [1] to publish this as a W3C working draft to garner

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] Late comments and questions on Web Forms 2.0

2006-08-15 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Ian Hickson wrote: 2.14. Authors may include an accept attribute on textarea elements to indicate the type of content expected. User agents may use this attribute to provide more appropriate editors, syntax highlighting, spelling checkers, etc. The value of the attribute must be a

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] repeat-min and max

2006-08-15 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 02:40:53 -0700, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://webforms2.testsuite.org/repetition/attributes/repeat-max/001.htm http://webforms2.testsuite.org/repetition/attributes/repeat-max/003.htm

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] Late comments and questions on Web Forms 2.0

2006-08-15 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: * Ian Hickson wrote: 2.14. Authors may include an accept attribute on textarea elements to indicate the type of content expected. User agents may use this attribute to provide more appropriate editors, syntax highlighting, spelling

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] Late comments and questions on Web Forms 2.0

2006-08-15 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Ian Hickson wrote: I think we're talking about different parts of the spec. The accept attribute in 2.14 is for textarea and is new to WF2. It is vaguely defined and has no UA conformance requirements. It is mostly intended to spurr implementors into coming up with new interaction models for

Re: [whatwg] Dynamic content accessibility in HTML today

2006-08-15 Thread Matthew Raymond
Aaron Leventhal wrote: So you are saying this should be mapped to assistive technologies via the CSS3 appearance property or via special values in the class attribute? No, actually, I believe I made it clear in the last post that I prefer predefined class names as the best way to address

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] Leap seconds, dates in the past

2006-08-15 Thread mozer
A lot of work as already been done by the W3C XSL WG on calendar (and even negative year in needed) http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt20/#lang-cal-country Cheers On 8/15/06, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Michel Fortin wrote: I'm inclined to think that the best option for WF

[whatwg] Web Forms 2.0 in Gecko design document

2006-08-15 Thread Alex Vincent
For anyone interested in seeing WF2 implemented in mozilla.org code, I invite you to read and comment on http://wiki.mozilla.org/DOM:Web_Forms_2.0 . Please bear in mind this is intended as an internal design document, and this is very much a first draft - so it will change! -- The first step in