[whatwg] isindex prompt

2007-02-20 Thread Anne van Kesteren
I think the parsing algorithm should take the prompt= attribute of isindex in account. It replaces the string of characters placed before the input element with its contents. (In that case there will be no characters after the isindex element.) -- Anne van Kesteren

Re: [whatwg] isindex prompt

2007-02-20 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:53:31 +0100, Anne van Kesteren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the parsing algorithm should take the prompt= attribute of isindex in account. It replaces the string of characters placed before the input element with its contents. (In that case there will be no

[whatwg] input name=isindex

2007-02-20 Thread Martijn
Submission of an isindex element is different compared to normal form submission with a text input element, only the value part is submitted. This parsing definition: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#isindex means that forminput name=isindex/form also should only submit the

Re: [whatwg] input name=isindex

2007-02-20 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:32:57 +0100, Martijn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Submission of an isindex element is different compared to normal form submission with a text input element, only the value part is submitted. This parsing definition: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#isindex

Re: [whatwg] New markup constructs

2007-02-20 Thread James Graham
Gervase Markham wrote: James Graham wrote: [1] http://code.google.com/webstats/2005-12/classes.html What a useful URL. Where in that data is the basis for this hi or m element which has caused so much discussion recently? Since it is designed as an annotation to a page rather than a part

Re: [whatwg] details members

2007-02-20 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Anne van Kesteren wrote: I think it would be more consistent to have .defaultOpen besides .open to reflect the content attribute. .open would then reflect the current state. Consistent with form controls, that is. I intentionally broke consistency here to avoid the mess

Re: [whatwg] several messages about HTML5

2007-02-20 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Vlad Alexander (xhtml.com) wrote: Why do we need X/HTML 5? When did this need become apparent? HTML started as a document language for scientist to share their work. It evolved over time; for example the img element was added, forms were added, WYSIWYG features were added,

Re: [whatwg] several messages about HTML5

2007-02-20 Thread Vlad Alexander (xhtml.com)
4. One of the biggest problems with HTML is that content authors can get away with writing tag soup. As a result, most content authors don't feel the need to write markup to specification. When markup is not written to specification, CSS may not get applied correctly, JavaScript may not execute

Re: [whatwg] several messages about HTML5

2007-02-20 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
... 10. In the minds of most people, HTML is dead and X/HTML 5 is perceived as an attempt to resurrect it. Given this perception, how can you succeed in marketing HTML to consumers (those who build Web sites)? Aren't those minds of the people who sell XHTML tools with false statements like

Re: [whatwg] several messages about HTML5

2007-02-20 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Vlad Alexander (xhtml.com) wrote: (NB I'm just another correspondent, not an official WHATWG voice or anything.) Why not put an end to tag soup by requiring user-agents to only accept markup written to specification? Problem 1: Even if HTML5 were /not/ intended to be backwards compatible,

Re: [whatwg] details members

2007-02-20 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:01:14 +0100, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it would be more consistent to have .defaultOpen besides .open to reflect the content attribute. .open would then reflect the current state. Consistent with form controls, that is. I intentionally broke

Re: [whatwg] several messages about HTML5

2007-02-20 Thread James Graham
Vlad Alexander (xhtml.com) wrote: 4. One of the biggest problems with HTML is that content authors can get away with writing tag soup. As a result, most content authors don't feel the need to write markup to specification. When markup is not written to specification, CSS may not get applied

Re: [whatwg] several messages about HTML5

2007-02-20 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
On Feb 21, 2007, at 10:00 AM, Vlad Alexander (xhtml.com) wrote: 4. One of the biggest problems with HTML is that content authors can get away with writing tag soup. As a result, most content authors don't feel the need to write markup to specification. When markup is not written to

Re: [whatwg] several messages about HTML5

2007-02-20 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, Vlad Alexander (xhtml.com) wrote: 4. One of the biggest problems with HTML is that content authors can get away with writing tag soup. Is it really a problem? Or is it the reason the Web is so wildly successful? Would the Web have taken off in the same way if it worked

Re: [whatwg] several messages about HTML5

2007-02-20 Thread Vlad Alexander (xhtml.com)
Thank you Ian. Just one follow-up question. You wrote: ...We could require editors to do this, but since nobody knows how to do it, it would be a stupid requirement. ... Is it due to a flaw in HTML that it is difficult to build authoring tools, such as WYSIWYG editors, that generate markup

Re: [whatwg] several messages about HTML5

2007-02-20 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, Vlad Alexander (xhtml.com) wrote: ...We could require editors to do this, but since nobody knows how to do it, it would be a stupid requirement. ... Is it due to a flaw in HTML that it is difficult to build authoring tools, such as WYSIWYG editors, that generate

Re: [whatwg] several messages about HTML5

2007-02-20 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Vlad Alexander (xhtml.com) wrote: Thank you Ian. Just one follow-up question. You wrote: ...We could require editors to do this, but since nobody knows how to do it, it would be a stupid requirement. ... Is it due to a flaw in HTML that it is difficult to build authoring tools, such as

Re: [whatwg] several messages about HTML5

2007-02-20 Thread Michel Fortin
Le 2007-02-20 à 19:05, Ian Hickson a écrit : The proposal to have predefined class names is still very much in the air, we're mostly waiting for author and implementation feedback to see if it is workable. Currently the HTML5 spec leaves a number of things unanswered (like what happens if

Re: [whatwg] several messages about HTML5

2007-02-20 Thread Karl Dubost
Le 21 févr. 2007 à 09:05, Ian Hickson a écrit : If we want to make HTML5 successful, we have to make sure the browser vendors pay attention to it. Any requirements that make their market share go down relative to browsers who aren't following the spec will immediately be ignored. it seems

Re: [whatwg] several messages about HTML5

2007-02-20 Thread Karl Dubost
Le 21 févr. 2007 à 11:39, Ian Hickson a écrit : On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, Vlad Alexander (xhtml.com) wrote: ...We could require editors to do this, but since nobody knows how to do it, it would be a stupid requirement. ... Is it due to a flaw in HTML that it is difficult to build authoring

Re: [whatwg] several messages about HTML5

2007-02-20 Thread Karl Dubost
Le 21 févr. 2007 à 11:40, Lachlan Hunt a écrit : It's not so much a flaw in HTML's design, as it is the refusal of popular WYSIWYG editor vendors to replace common presentational UIs, such as font styles and colours, with much more useful semantic UIs. I don't believe it's particularly

Re: [whatwg] several messages about HTML5

2007-02-20 Thread Sander Tekelenburg
At 21:21 -0500 UTC, on 2007-02-20, Vlad Alexander (xhtml.com) wrote: [...] Is it due to a flaw in HTML that it is difficult to build authoring tools, such as WYSIWYG editors, that generate markup rich in semantics, embody best-practices and can be easily used by non-technical people? I think